AC: Unity's devs: 60FPS doesn't look real and is less cinematic, 30FPS feels better

[MeachTheMonster]

No..ur the one that's lost...

There's no chance in hell that this game was gonna run at 1080p 60fps on PS4. It won't even do that on high end computers. PS4 is not magic, its GPU is slightly stronger than X1 but they are both mid level machines. There's no huge power gap where PS4 should be running games at 1080p 60fps and X1 sub 1080p 30fps. It's crazy to even think this.

Sony PR told you it was a supercomputer and it would give you 1080p 60fps and y'all still blindly believe them, so you come up with crazy conspiracy theories that Microsoft is paying devs to gimp PS4 games, instead of just realizing that Sony PR lied.

If PS4 is so much more powerful than X1 then why aren't all PS4 exclusives running at 1080p 60fps. Is Microsoft paying for those games too? Why does X1 have the best looking exclusives?

 

[spliz]

There's no chance in hell that this game was gonna run at 1080p 60fps on PS4. It won't even do that on high end computers. PS4 is not magic, its GPU is slightly stronger than X1 but they are both mid level machines. There's no huge power gap where PS4 should be running games at 1080p 60fps and X1 sub 1080p 30fps. It's crazy to even think this.

Sony PR told you it was a supercomputer and it would give you 1080p 60fps and y'all still blindly believe them, so you come up with crazy conspiracy theories that Microsoft is paying devs to gimp PS4 games, instead of just realizing that Sony PR lied.

If PS4 is so much more powerful than X1 then why aren't all PS4 exclusives running at 1080p 60fps. Is Microsoft paying for those games too? Why does X1 have the best looking exclusives?

nikka fukk a PS4 or XOne..im talkin bout UBISOFT as a company..they are LIARS..they backtrack...and they do the same shyt to PC games that u was complaining about with Destiny...u think people would go crazy if they just told the truth from jump?..instead of tryna lie and make bullshyt excuses and tell customers dumb shyt like 30fps is better than 60..they been fukking PC gamers over for YEARS...they fukked over their Nintendo customers as well...remember the whole Rayman situation?..they do this to their customers and its nikkas like u who so caught up in this console war bullshyt who refuse to see it...all they had to say was this "the PS4 and XOne had certain limitations that prevented us from reaching the 1080p 60fps goal while maintaining the quality of graphics and computer AI..we felt it was best to have the game at 900p 30fps to ensure a quality gaming experience on both consoles."...simple shyt..to the point..no lies n bullshyt..

 

[MeachTheMonster]

nikka fukk a PS4 or XOne..im talkin bout UBISOFT as a company..they are LIARS..they backtrack...and they do the same shyt to PC games that u was complaining about with Destiny...

No. Destiny removed entire planets and species, and they claimed it would be larger than Star Wars. It's not something as simple as what specs forum people think a game should be; based on absolutely no knowledge of game development.

u think people would go crazy if they just told the truth from jump?..instead of tryna lie and make bullshyt excuses and tell customers dumb shyt like 30fps is better than 60..

They didn't say 30 is better than 60. The said 30 is better FOR THEIR GAME, and they are allowed to make that choice.

they been fukking PC gamers over for YEARS

All games aren't built for 60fps. PC gamers fukk themselves over by chasing that goal no matter what.

...they fukked over their Nintendo customers as well...remember the whole Rayman situation?..

That situation was not good, but if you compare the Wii U sales to sales on other platforms it was a good business decision.

they do this to their customers and its nikkas like u who so caught up in this console war bullshyt who refuse to see it...all they had to say was this "the PS4 and XOne had certain limitations that prevented us from reaching the 1080p 60fps goal while maintaining the quality of graphics and computer AI..we felt it was best to have the game at 900p 30fps to ensure a quality gaming experience on both consoles."...simple shyt..to the point..no lies n bullshyt..

There was no lie. The idea that they were targeting 1080p 60fps in the first place is what doesn't make sense to anyone who's paying attention. Ubisoft has never targeted 60fps even on PC. Asscreed and Watchdogs ran at sub 1080p and sub 30fps on consoles. There was no way In hell they were gonna add more A.I. Better graphics, more animations, a larger world, 4 player CO-OP, and raise the performace to 1080p 60fps.

What they said here is true. They decided to use the extra resources it would take to get to 60fps on other things in the game. There's nothing wrong with that.

 

[radio rahiem]

No. Destiny removed entire planets and species, and they claimed it would be larger than Star Wars. It's not something as simple as what specs forum people think a game should be; based on absolutely no knowledge of game development.


They didn't say 30 is better than 60. The said 30 is better FOR THEIR GAME, and they are allowed to make that choice.


All games aren't built for 60fps. PC gamers fukk themselves over by chasing that goal no matter what.


That situation was not good, but if you compare the Wii U sales to sales on other platforms it was a good business decision.



There was no lie. The idea that they were targeting 1080p 60fps in the first place is what doesn't make sense to anyone who's paying attention. Ubisoft has never targeted 60fps even on PC. Asscreed and Watchdogs ran at sub 1080p and sub 30fps on consoles. There was no way In hell they were gonna add more A.I. Better graphics, more animations, a larger world, 4 player CO-OP, and raise the performace to 1080p 60fps.

What they said here is true. They decided to use the extra resources it would take to get to 60fps on other things in the game. There's nothing wrong with that.

how are you in the green?
might be a runoff between you and @J-purp for WPOTY

 

[MeachTheMonster]

how are you in the green?
might be a runoff between you and @J-purp for WPOTY

Is there something in my post you'd like to refute?

 

[spliz]

No. Destiny removed entire planets and species, and they claimed it would be larger than Star Wars. It's not something as simple as what specs forum people think a game should be; based on absolutely no knowledge of game development.


They didn't say 30 is better than 60. The said 30 is better FOR THEIR GAME, and they are allowed to make that choice.


All games aren't built for 60fps. PC gamers fukk themselves over by chasing that goal no matter what.


That situation was not good, but if you compare the Wii U sales to sales on other platforms it was a good business decision.



There was no lie. The idea that they were targeting 1080p 60fps in the first place is what doesn't make sense to anyone who's paying attention. Ubisoft has never targeted 60fps even on PC. Asscreed and Watchdogs ran at sub 1080p and sub 30fps on consoles. There was no way In hell they were gonna add more A.I. Better graphics, more animations, a larger world, 4 player CO-OP, and raise the performace to 1080p 60fps.

What they said here is true. They decided to use the extra resources it would take to get to 60fps on other things in the game. There's nothing wrong with that.

son u a fukkin puppet..im done having this convo with u...anyone with half a brain would know this is a PR nightmare...also ..as far as whole things being removed from games...check WatchDogs on the PC...they fukkin hid the damn graphics in the damn settings...I cant have a convo with someone whose always in character..u disgust me..

 

[daze23]

I bet you wouldn't feel the same if this game was 1080 60 on PS4 and 720 30 of Xbone.

that's not consistent with the discrepancies we've seen with other multiplatform titles. do you really think the PS4 is that much more powerful than the X1?

 

[MeachTheMonster]

son u a fukkin puppet..im done having this convo with u...anyone with half a brain would know this is a PR nightmare...also ..as far as whole things being removed from games...check WatchDogs on the PC...they fukkin hid the damn graphics in the damn settings...I cant have a convo with someone whose always in character..u disgust me..

Yup here you throw insults instead of formulating a reasonable response. What I said is truth. You just want to believe your hardware is infalable and ubisoft is incompetent. With or without this PR flub that is what you believe. So no matter what happens you will view the situation with that bias. PR statements that play into your narrative, you believe them without question. Things that go against your narrative get written off as lies.

As you saw in the PC thread Durante, the programmer who "fixes" a lot of these issues, agrees with me, yet you think he's wrong too. What engeneering school did you go to? What games you working on?

 

[daze23]

Already bought em with birthday money on steam

I don't know why you pre-ordered so far in advance though. you can still get whatever benefit from pre-ordering if you do it a few days before release. at that point you're more likely to find some kind of deal, and/or see some actual first-hand impressions of the game

 

[Ciggavelli]

I don't know why you pre-ordered so far in advance though. you can still get whatever benefit from pre-ordering if you do it a few days before release. at that point you're more likely to find some kind of deal, and/or see some actual first-hand impressions of the game

 

[ORDER_66]

Why does X1 have the best looking exclusives?

 

[spliz]

Yup here you throw insults instead of formulating a reasonable response. What I said is truth. You just want to believe your hardware is infalable and ubisoft is incompetent. With or without this PR flub that is what you believe. So no matter what happens you will view the situation with that bias. PR statements that play into your narrative, you believe them without question. Things that go against your narrative get written off as lies.

As you saw in the PC thread Durante, the programmer who "fixes" a lot of these issues, agrees with me, yet you think he's wrong too. What engeneering school did you go to? What games you working on?

nikka..Ubisoft is KNOWN to have optimization issues..Black Flag runs on ONE fukking cpu core...u gotta do special tricks to even get it to utilize the hardware u have..thats the result of BAD OPTIMIZATION...what Durante said makes sense..in SOME cases..if I get a game where its graphically inferior to alot of the games I have..its not doing anything specatacular AI wise...its linear..and it runs like shyt even tho my hardware is far above the recommended specs..thats bad optimization...how about..if I need a damn 400 dollar cpu and a 1000 dollar graphics card to run a game smoothly that is running fine on inferior hardware..SHOW ME WHY...explain this shyt to me as a customer...but if im not seeing any benefits of the use of this hardware..it shows me as a developer ur full of shyt...lets say that Assassins Creed Unity does have 1000 npc's on screen..the fact that it runs at 900p and 30fps is perfectly acceptable and it makes alotta sense...these people have came out and said that they're not worried about PC optimization cause people could just buy a new graphics card...or lie about aiming a game towards the PC crowd yet it runs like shyt on all hardware..this type of shyt has been going on from them for a long time now..so go ahead..drink the fukkin kool aid...I wont..

 

[MeachTheMonster]

nikka..Ubisoft is KNOWN to have optimization issues..

No misinformed gamers like to blame things on poor optimization, or lazy devs. But that doesn't make it a known fact.

Black Flag runs on ONE fukking cpu core...u gotta do special tricks to even get it to utilize the hardware u have..thats the result of BAD OPTIMIZATION

This is a common problem with all games. The CPU cores are not use equally or efficiently. Add to the fact that this is an engine built around ps360 architecture and its not surprising that it wouldn't use modern cpu's efficiently.

This is the reason things like mantle and Dx12 are so exciting for devs. They allow the CPU cores to be used more efficiently.

...what Durante said makes sense..in SOME cases..if I get a game where its graphically inferior to alot of the games I have..its not doing anything specatacular AI wise...its linear..and it runs like shyt even tho my hardware is far above the recommended specs..thats bad optimization

And this scenario doesn't describe any ubisoft game

how about..if I need a damn 400 dollar cpu and a 1000 dollar graphics card to run a game smoothly that is running fine on inferior hardware..SHOW ME WHY...explain this shyt to me as a customer...but if im not seeing any benefits of the use of this hardware..it shows me as a developer ur full of shyt...

You need a lot of extra power to get minimal gains in perception. To run ultra textures in shadow of morridor you need 6gb of VRam. But looking at screenshots they don't look much better than the textures posible with 2gb ram. That doesnt mean the power isn't being used, it just means your perception of the difference is much smaller than the technical numbers would suggest.

lets say that Assassins Creed Unity does have 1000 npc's on screen..the fact that it runs at 900p and 30fps is perfectly acceptable and it makes alotta sense

So why you in here bytching

...these people have came out and said that they're not worried about PC optimization cause people could just buy a new graphics card...or lie about aiming a game towards the PC crowd yet it runs like shyt on all hardware..this type of shyt has been going on from them for a long time now..so go ahead..drink the fukkin kool aid...I wont..

Link?

 

[Zebruh]

that's not consistent with the discrepancies we've seen with other multiplatform titles. do you really think the PS4 is that much more powerful than the X1?

Don't know what juice they're drinking.

 

[spliz]

No misinformed gamers like to blame things on poor optimization, or lazy devs. But that doesn't make it a known fact.


This is a common problem with all games. The CPU cores are not use equally or efficiently. Add to the fact that this is an engine built around ps360 architecture and its not surprising that it wouldn't use modern cpu's efficiently.

This is the reason things like mantle and Dx12 are so exciting for devs. They allow the CPU cores to be used more efficiently.


And this scenario doesn't describe any ubisoft game


You need a lot of extra power to get minimal gains in perception. To run ultra textures in shadow of morridor you need 6gb of VRam. But looking at screenshots they don't look much better than the textures posible with 2gb ram. That doesnt mean the power isn't being used, it just means your perception of the difference is much smaller than the technical numbers would suggest.


So why you in here bytching


Link?

..nikka I dont think I have one game in my whole PC library that runs on one cpu core...no lie u might be the GOAT at deflecting...and heres the link chump.....
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