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If you don't want a gun don't buy one and let everyone else have theirs in peace. The UK has less gun cime but is filled with stabbings.
https://www.usnews.com/news/world/a...-england-and-wales-highest-in-over-nine-years

In other words, if criminals can't get a hold of guns, they'll find something else.
You're 10x more likely to survive a stabbing than you are a gunshot. :francis:

Your own link shows just 86 knife homicides in all of London, and that's what you want to be afraid of? There's a reason why USA still has a FAR higher murder rate than the UK despite all the crime there.

London: Population 9,000,000, Murders 145
St. Louis: Population 300,000, Murders 262

Have just 3% as much population but twice as many murders, brehs.



Chicago has strong gun control laws and yet gang memberes are shooting up each other like the wild wild west.
Because Chicago borders multiple states with weak-ass gun laws. Strong gun laws don't mean anything when you can literally walk a few streets down and they have completely different rules.

Look at places like NYC or any city in Cali. They have drugs, gangs, crime, population density....why are their murder rates just a fraction of the murders in the red states and cities that border red states in the midwest and south? Why is it that all the blue states on the west coast and northeast have far fewer gun deaths than the rest of the country?
 

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I hear you but guns were around well before this exponential increase of mass shootings and gun related violence. I think our story as Americans is unique and why people cling onto the 2nd Amendment.

Personally given the oppressive history of African Americans in America I'm unwilling to bend toward banning guns or more gun control but I understand.

To echo my initial point of isolation and fracturing we have social media as well. I wonder if European societies are as disconnected as us. Some families it's not uncommon for their children to stay in their homes until they are 30. We kick out children out at 18 in America. Not to mention our over worked culture.
Agreed. I think the concept of the western world culture in general is the issue. It's the sickness and it's only going to continue.

IMO I really see the only way to fix this is to dig into mental health and provide programs for people to actually get what they need, not just the help they need. Mental health has to become more linked to social instituitions and social outcomes.

We should all really have mental health/life stage experts every step of the way. I'd like guns to be less available unless you pass tests
 

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You're 10x more likely to survive a stabbing than you are a gunshot. :francis:

Your own link shows just 86 knife homicides in all of London, and that's what you want to be afraid of? There's a reason why USA still has a FAR higher murder rate than the UK despite all the crime there.

London: Population 9,000,000, Murders 145
St. Louis: Population 300,000, Murders 262

Have just 3% as much population but twice as many murders, brehs.




Because Chicago borders multiple states with weak-ass gun laws. Strong gun laws don't mean anything when you can literally walk a few streets down and they have completely different rules.

Look at places like NYC or any city in Cali. They have drugs, gangs, crime, population density....why are their murder rates just a fraction of the murders in the red states and cities that border red states in the midwest and south? Why is it that all the blue states on the west coast and northeast have far fewer gun deaths than the rest of the country?
You can give them this logical and well thought out argument until you're blue in the face but these gun lovers gonna continue to be emotionally driven juelz for their guns
 

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I have to believe y'all just trolls now and this Coli conservative wave has been an elaborate joke. :deadrose:

I'm not a conservative, I'm Independent

Also its true.

If you look at the time line and compare the beginning of Trumps term and compare it to the beginning of Bidens term, there are more mass shootings under Biden than Trump.

From Jan to April Trump had 2 mass shootings
From Jan to April Biden has 5 mass shootings

37 Years of Mass Shootings in the U.S. in One Chart
 
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BTW this was a former sheriff with a firearm and training so I'm not sure how the argument about us banning guns got in when we have someone that is supposed to uphold the law actually use firearms to hurt someone. If anything this adds more gravitas to the notion that we cannot trust government to do right by us.

He killed two women and you will never hear people in the anti-gun camp have any pragmatic solutions for violence against women. You can't reason with a motherfukker like this. The only thing you can do is defend yourself.
 

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I'm not a conservative, I'm Independent

Also its true.

If you look at the time line and compare the beginning of Trumps term and compare it to the beginning of Bidens term, there are more mass shootings under Biden than Trump.

From Jan to April Trump had 2 mass shootings
From Jan to April Biden has 5 mass shootings

37 Years of Mass Shootings in the U.S. in One Chart
Breh, you're an open Trump supporter who was literally the origin of "I prefer my racists out in the open." :mjlol:

Blaming Biden for mass shootings in the first 2 months of his term as a way to say that Trump was better is one of the dumbest Trump-caping moves I've seen. Especially when LITERALLY THE WORST MASS SHOOTING IN AMERICAN HISTORY came just 5 months into Trump's term, and then it HAPPENED AGAIN just a year after that.
 

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You're 10x more likely to survive a stabbing than you are a gunshot. :francis:

Your own link shows just 86 knife homicides in all of London, and that's what you want to be afraid of? There's a reason why USA still has a FAR higher murder rate than the UK despite all the crime there.

London: Population 9,000,000, Murders 145
St. Louis: Population 300,000, Murders 262

Have just 3% as much population but twice as many murders, brehs.




Because Chicago borders multiple states with weak-ass gun laws. Strong gun laws don't mean anything when you can literally walk a few streets down and they have completely different rules.

Look at places like NYC or any city in Cali. They have drugs, gangs, crime, population density....why are their murder rates just a fraction of the murders in the red states and cities that border red states in the midwest and south? Why is it that all the blue states on the west coast and northeast have far fewer gun deaths than the rest of the country?

St. Louis and Baltimore are both Democrat cities as is Detroit and they have some of the highest rates of murders in the US.

And the problem is if you ban guns in the states, you've just created a huge black market and guns will trickle in from Mexico unless you agree with them building that wall. Criminals, who don't care for laws, will be ones who are stockpiled with guns. Mexico is a nation with one of the strongest gun control laws. Guess who is disarmed and guess who is loaded to the teeth? The average citizen has no means to protect themselves while criminals have all the weapons.
 

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BTW this was a former sheriff with a firearm and training so I'm not sure how the argument about us banning guns got in when we have someone that is supposed to uphold the law actually use firearms to hurt someone. If anything this adds more gravitas to the notion that we cannot trust government to do right by us.
It got there cause there were FIVE coli conservatives who immediately came in either to defend guns or attack Biden. Then you came in riding for them. Y'all started that shyt in the thread and you really wonder how it got in?

And he was charged with a 1st-degree felony over a year ago and had a restraining order against him. In many people's minds that would be a significant reason to suggest that he had motive and was a danger, but the guns rights folk claim that evaluating such a person for danger and taking their guns if it is warranted would be a violation of a fundamental right. More important than the right to live, apparently. And that backward-ass 250 year old thinking has got us where we are today.




He killed two women and you will never hear people in the anti-gun camp have any pragmatic solutions for violence against women. You can't reason with a motherfukker like this. The only thing you can do is defend yourself.
Literally every domestic-violence related group I have ever heard discuss the issue say that one of the main ways to protect women is to disarm men with a history of violence. Women are shot and killed by an intimate partner at a rate 10x higher than they defend themselves with a gun, and that isn't going to change. Women in homes with guns are something like 3x more likely to be killed in a domestic violence situation than women in homes without guns.

I had a schoolmate and one of my sister's best friends get murdered by her ex-boyfriend. He walked up to the house she was visiting, was stopped by other men at the door, and pulled out the weapon and fired from the doorway across the room to kill her. Without the gun, she lives, full stop.
 

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St. Louis and Baltimore are both Democrat cities as is Detroit and they have some of the highest rates of murders in the US.
Did you seriously ignore the whole post or just not understand? Read it again and try a new argument. :mjlol:



And the problem is if you ban guns in the states, you've just created a huge black market and guns will trickle in from Mexico unless you agree with them building that wall. Criminals, who don't care for laws, will be ones who are stockpiled with guns. Mexico is a nation with one of the strongest gun control laws. Guess who is disarmed and guess who is loaded to the teeth? The average citizen has no means to protect themselves while criminals have all the weapons.
You played yourself, Mexico's guns come almost entirely from the USA and from USA-armed militias in Central America. :snoop:

If the USA wasn't overloading the region with guns, how the fukk would guns trickle in from Mexico? Where would they come from? :skip:

And the idea of some random Mexican grandmothers defending themselves from the cartels if only they had the 2nd Amendment. :why:


When you try to make your gun arguments, your example is a failed state half destroyed by US-funded drug cartels that has to source its guns from.....us. When we make our gun arguments, we use LITERALLY EVERY DEVELOPED NATION ON EARTH OUTSIDE OF THE USA. Which argument is stronger....hmmmm?
 

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It got there cause there were FIVE coli conservatives who immediately came in either to defend guns or attack Biden. Then you came in riding for them. Y'all started that shyt in the thread and you really wonder how it got in?

And he was charged with a 1st-degree felony over a year ago and had a restraining order against him. In many people's minds that would be a significant reason to suggest that he had motive and was a danger, but the guns rights folk claim that evaluating such a person for danger and taking their guns if it is warranted would be a violation of a fundamental right. More important than the right to live, apparently. And that backward-ass 250 year old thinking has got us where we are today.



Literally every domestic-violence related group I have ever heard discuss the issue say that one of the main ways to protect women is to disarm men with a history of violence. Women are shot and killed by an intimate partner at a rate 10x higher than they defend themselves with a gun, and that isn't going to change. Women in homes with guns are something like 3x more likely to be killed in a domestic violence situation than women in homes without guns.

I had a schoolmate and one of my sister's best friends get murdered by her ex-boyfriend. He walked up to the house she was visiting, was stopped by other men at the door, and pulled out the weapon and fired from the doorway across the room to kill her. Without the gun, she lives, full stop.

I didn't follow all of the thread. If the guy had a violent felony he most certainly needed his gun rights removed. You sort of lose that notion it's a "right" when you cause harm against someone. It either sounds like a loophole as to how he was able to acquire a legal firearm or he acquired it legally and in that case even if you implement more gun control you will still have people getting weapons illegally.

I interact with women who have had incidents where they felt they needed to protect themselves and they eventually got a firearm as well as training and felt safe. They come to the conclusion that they are their own first line of defense in these situations. Women that live alone, single moms who are recently divorced, or women that live in certain neighborhoods. Believe me man I want women to be protected at the end of the day.

I will say I do come with a bias slant because a good bit of women in my family are armed and have served in law enforcement.
 
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If “God” didn’t reign divine wrath on this country for slavery & Jim Crow then me thinks we’re pretty much on our own
 

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All these forgotten clowns are imploding. To many people are broke and without p*ssy and they're going kamikaze. The government should encourage more people to train with guns so we can be vigilant against these imploders.
 

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I have to believe y'all just trolls now and this Coli conservative wave has been an elaborate joke. :deadrose:
why do I have to be on bidens dikk. why do I have to be conservative to not be on his nuts to the degree you are. Just mind your business please. you aren't the temperature gauge around here. Enough.
 

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why do I have to be on bidens dikk. why do I have to be conservative to not be on his nuts to the degree you are. Just mind your business please. you aren't the temperature gauge around here. Enough.

You just randomly blamed Biden for what some violent a$$hole in Texas did. I didn't force you to express irrational foolishness, you did that all on your own.
 
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