Adam Clery Spazzes Out Over Triple H's Comments Concerning The UK Indy Scene

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ICW, WCPW, that family-friendly promotion owned by the TV station.

not my jurisdiction.
yeah those are two that are still going strong. HHH was talking about the bum-ass shythole feds.
 

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WWE literally siphoned Progress's momentum, ICW is not what it once was, these companies played ball and paid for it.

RPW thrives precisely because they didn't kowtow to WWE.

The funny thing about that Uber diss is that it actually references Ring of Honor having nothing for an injured Jay Lethal while on an overseas show.

WWE UK has absolutely hampered the scene, an overreaction to World of Sports (which wasn't really shyt), neutered the draw of many of its own stars.

Hunter is truly a dikkhead for this mischaracterization.
 

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yeah those are two that are still going strong. HHH was talking about the bum-ass shythole feds.
They really arent though. ICW is seeing considerably less business (though this started after Galloway left) and Progress had a HUGE following but not only did WWE sign their domestic talents but the foreign ones (Riddle, Lee, etc) as well. Defiant hasnt been the same since the What Culture fiasco so that wasnt really HHH.

Personally i see truth in what @stro said and the top guys take every opportunity to go ANYWHERE else as well.
 

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They really arent though. ICW is seeing considerably less business (though this started after Galloway left) and Progress had a HUGE following but not only did WWE sign their domestic talents but the foreign ones (Riddle, Lee, etc) as well. Defiant hasnt been the same since the What Culture fiasco so that wasnt really HHH.

Personally i see truth in what @stro said and the top guys take every opportunity to go ANYWHERE else as well.
Just going by Will Ospreay's tweets he seems optimistic about British wrestling. It's all these lower level guys I never heard of bytching about it.

And quite frankly WALTER is one of the biggest gets that WWE has had in years. That guy has major potential
 

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I still don't really understand what WWE's plan was with the UK shyt. Beyond "there's buzz there, we gotta get in on this" but knowing they'd heavily disrupt all that and make it worse for everyone. It's not like any UK promotion was ever going to be any threat to WWE, even World of Sport (which lol, what a disaster that whole thing was). The deals they have with the UK guys is so weird since NXT UK doesn't run house shows and tapes like 3 months of TV at a time so they can still work all the UK indies except the ones that work with New Japan....seems like it would be easier to just air Progress shows on the Network with the option to call anyone up to NXT or Raw/SD.

There can't be a way NXT UK isn't losing money, but for what? To....put your foot on the throat of some indies where you could poach talent from at any time anyway? Seems counter productive to disrupt the entire scene like that.
 

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I still don't really understand what WWE's plan was with the UK shyt. Beyond "there's buzz there, we gotta get in on this" but knowing they'd heavily disrupt all that and make it worse for everyone. It's not like any UK promotion was ever going to be any threat to WWE, even World of Sport (which lol, what a disaster that whole thing was). The deals they have with the UK guys is so weird since NXT UK doesn't run house shows and tapes like 3 months of TV at a time so they can still work all the UK indies except the ones that work with New Japan....seems like it would be easier to just air Progress shows on the Network with the option to call anyone up to NXT or Raw/SD.

There can't be a way NXT UK isn't losing money, but for what? To....put your foot on the throat of some indies where you could poach talent from at any time anyway? Seems counter productive to disrupt the entire scene like that.

It makes more sense when you realize that WWE doesn't have a true developmental fed any longer.

In their case, yes, it doesn't eliminate a huge threat to chop off the legs of the UK Indy scene, it DOES make sense to use them as your international developmental/scouting arm. And on top of that, they get to dictate terms of how their signed talent is used (do they still do the thing where their talent can't be on DVDs/VOD versions of shows? I honestly don't know), and essentially get right of first refusal to talent, instead of having to bother with making competitive offers with someone working the market themselves successfully.

Another thing to note: cases like Walter, Osprey, and Devitt are the exception, not the rule. There have been tons of wrestlers that were huge in the UK that people over here either never heard of, or just don't connect with. Grado, for example. Or Doug Williams. For a lot of talent, it's definitely in their interest to work somewhere that they know will get them on the WWE's radar.

The problem is them thinking every international market will lay down for them the way the UK did. Mexico and Japan ain't playing that shyt. :wow:
 

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It makes more sense when you realize that WWE doesn't have a true developmental fed any longer.
NXT UK should be the developmental fed. If these guys really want it that bad, go and get a work visa and spend some time over there. You notice how Kassius Ohno is tearing it up over there, and reinventing himself? That should be everyone's mindset
 

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yeah those are two that are still going strong. HHH was talking about the bum-ass shythole feds.


wait, weren't the dudes in the video, part of WCPW??

I thought WCPW closed down, relaunched as Defiant and closed down again?
 

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The whole UK boom hype was propped up by 20-30 good wrestlers (shyt most of the guys WWE signed at the start didn't really have buzz like that going yet) & they got signed to different places :yeshrug:

Places like WCPW/Defiant were always going to have problems because they would book big name US indie guys to help sell tickets & then Youtube decided wrestling didn't work & that hit them hard since that's where their audience was. RevPro is pretty much UK ROH, they're propped up by NJPW sending guys there to work shows. Progress' biggest thing was probably that long ass Jimmy Havoc storyline & you can't do stuff like that on the indie level when people get injured/start getting signed all over the place.
 

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wait, weren't the dudes in the video, part of WCPW??

I thought WCPW closed down, relaunched as Defiant and closed down again?
anything having to do with whatculture or cultaholic is pure garbage IMO. bunch of wannabe money marks.
 
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