Africa a little 100 years ago.

[Ya?]

Better? England was in India far longer than they could keep their grip on Africa. Places like Philippines where everyone had a turn gang banging the country.

C'mon son. Muthafuking China being strung out on opium? Hong Kong being a colony until the late 90's

You mean far more complacent

Ya the French were stronger militarily at some point which is why they have the largest number of colonized African countries

 

[Ya?]

There was a thread on here not too long ago about two young black dudes who were crips, and they robbed a Mexican lady. I was angry at the boys and felt some sort of justice was in order, but I wasn't cool with Mexicans going to deal with him. Why? Because that's a hell of a slippery slope. That might set a bad precedent. I don't like the optics. And they're racist. There was a whole lot of racism in the comments section for the ig video. I don't understand how black people could watch other black people in cages and chains, crying and screaming out for help, knowing the women and children were going to be raped. Oh, they didn't know? The Arab slave trade happened for hundreds of years before that, but they didn't know what white people were about to do? White people who look similar to Arabs. No one ever spilled the beans over hundreds of years? No rumors? No travelers? No escaped slaves? Nothing? I just don't get it.

As other posters have mentioned the concept of race was foreign and came to be after colonialism. I know it’s hard to wrap your mind around it but people saw themselves as different ethnic groups and didn’t share racial unity back then.

The same thing with whites but they on the other hand had the advantage of being the explorers so their self identification changed as they travelled the world and strengthened their racial unity when faced with the other.

 

[Amestafuu (Emeritus)]

You are completely misunderstanding and running with anything I said. Point was there was division. I am well aware of Africa’s diversity.

It wasn't a division it was diversity and it was the norm. We weren't industrialized, life was more sustainable this way. Take your European goggles off for a second.

tribalism is horrible but it doesn't mean that actual tribes are imagined they are real genetically identifiable, physically distinguishable, culturally different people and linguistically unique. you don't have a point but you tryna fabricate one by undermining African life pre Europeans. It's why some Nigerians still want Biafra and why tribal conflict occurs. We didn't determine our fate or where the borders landed and who we ended up in nations with. we weren't bonding over RACE and never had a reason to until we encountered RACISM.

India and Pakistan still have conflict over colonial borders

Israel and Palestine

There was a thread on here not too long ago about two young black dudes who were crips, and they robbed a Mexican lady. I was angry at the boys and felt some sort of justice was in order, but I wasn't cool with Mexicans going to deal with him. Why? Because that's a hell of a slippery slope. That might set a bad precedent. I don't like the optics. And they're racist. There was a whole lot of racism in the comments section for the ig video. I don't understand how black people could watch other black people in cages and chains, crying and screaming out for help, knowing the women and children were going to be raped. Oh, they didn't know? The Arab slave trade happened for hundreds of years before that, but they didn't know what white people were about to do? White people who look similar to Arabs. No one ever spilled the beans over hundreds of years? No rumors? No travelers? No escaped slaves? Nothing? I just don't get it.

dude above is telling me it's not about slavery

I can always spot the motives.

 

[Ya?]

Slavery was not a focal point of this discussion until certain posters started chiming in. Then YOU specifically kept insisting it is all OUR legacy and WE ALL BEAR FAULT.

Now that I have proven you wrong in that logic you go further and find other ways to try and insult me by stating that we are DOMINATED by INDIANS... last I recall Uganda kicked out Indians and seized their assets under Idi Amin, For you to even type their name in that sentence is idiotic. Tanzania has a rather large population of mixed race people that predate Europeans on the continent by thousands of years and some of them are Indian and Arab, Their history is very unique. Kenya has Indians that came under the British as a buffer class. Their era of dominance is faded. Majority of the top 20 richest people in the nation are Black Kenyans unlike 20-30 years ago. It's quite bizarre to say you are not versed in the history of East Africa then proceed to tell me about it. I grew up there.

Thread spoke of Africa then you guys started generalizing Africa so we got into specifics of Africa. Nobody got away scott free, just stop embellishing.

slavery and colonialism go hand in hand, the focal point was the scramble to Africa which took place after and partial during the carving of countries by Euros.

 

[Ya?]

I'm well aware of this.

The British Used Idi Amin and Ugandan Troops to fight the MAU MAU in Kenya after getting their asses handed to them... But they subjugated us with Religion not firepower long before that.

First came the missionary spies.

I've stated numerous times that the Black race is not on code. White people don't all love each other but they know what is in their collective self interest far better than we do. We are behind in understanding the role that race plays in the modern world.

What is the difference between what you said above and what I have been saying

It also helps that England, France, Germany, Russia etc were nations that had intermarried family member into leadership to build ties and bonds. So as much as they were rivals at home they had similar goals abroad. Thus them carving out the continent like pieces of pie.

We will never out malicious white people, that isn't our goal or nature.

Again here

You forget that they developed medicines to survive Africa's environment in the 1800s. They were finally able to bring armies into Africa, whereas before they were stuck on the coasts. Also, the slave trades destroyed prosperity, decreased population numbers in half, and caused a lot more division in large swaths of Africa by the 1800s. If it was easy to play black people against each other in the 1600s, it was even easier by the 1800s. I don't believe the machine guns were necessary.

Yep

 

[Amestafuu (Emeritus)]

slavery and colonialism go hand in hand, the focal point was the scramble to Africa which took place after and partial during the carving of countries by Euros.

now you backtracking after saying you weren't discussing that

the silly games we play. this shyt is

 

[Amestafuu (Emeritus)]

What is the difference between what you said above and what I have been saying



Again here



Yep

I don't understand anything you talking about breh you just tryna bait fights

The difference is we were not exchanging diplomatic ties via bonds of marriage. Like the Queen of England sending her child to Prussia or France etc. What you are saying is you want Africans to be like Europeans but it doesn't work because we aren't like Europeans we have more diversity

 

[Ya?]

now you backtracking after saying you weren't discussing that

the silly games we play. this shyt is

No one subject was a focal point of conversation. The OP had simply an image of the African continent carved according to their respective colonizers. Everyone discussed anything pertaining to the image and that includes slavery.
if you read my posts I touched on a lot of different key items.

 

[get these nets]

You are playing semantics.

We can argue the same points about Western countries as well, the Queen and the wealthy elite of Europe push colonialism and slavery.

The peasant class in Europe didn’t do anything and were simply led by the powers that be. Doesn’t change the fact that the trickling benefits of these systems made Western societies quite comfortable for a long time from which all whites poor or rich benefit from by virtue of their whiteness.

Also nowhere did I mention that regular Africans should be copping pleas for those that were directly involved but many people need to be more informed/educated on the history and need to stop deflecting cause many are ignorant on the topic and don’t even try to learn.

Also is intellectually dishonest to claim that the actions of a few within a group does get attributed to the group as a whole. It’s easy to say but does not reflect reality.

We have a thread going on China’s/CCP treatment of Africans in China, by your logic African countries should not retaliate against Chinese nationals because its their government and not individuals who are responsible so they should continue to get red carpet treatment while African get treated like doodoo in their home country?

1) Descendants of enslaved people have been attempting to sue govt.s, institutions, and corporations that were directly involved in the slave. Those are the entities that "got rich from the slave trade". Note that the claims aren't made against the descendants of all the Americans who were here during the antebellum period.
The phrase "using semantics" implies a person being evasive. I believe what I write and stand firmly behind it.

2)You didn't say that the descendants of the uninvolved majority Africans should cop pleas. But after I pointed why I thought your phrasing was inaccurate and misleading, you doubled down on "Africans were involved and participated". Even though the facts and numbers point to a minute population of elites being "involved and participating"


3)here are,in succession, my comments in three threads about recent treatment of Africans by Chinese authorities

Spoiler

The man who was speaking from China said something that always gets lost in threads about the mistreatment of Africans by authorities abroad . He said "We are making this video and hope OUR govt. does something about this". These (assumed) Ghanaians have a nationality and GOVERNMENT that is supposed to address these matters as they occur.
They surely have a Ghanaian embassy office in China.

Chinese authorities are unfairly treating YOUR citizens as they try to do commerce, provide some assistance or something.

More important than what Ghanaians, or other Blacks watching this video do is what steps the govt. of Ghana takes to resolve,correct, or retaliate for this issue.

This thread updates a recent thread about Ghanaians in China being confined to their hotel rooms, by Chinese authorities.

https://www.thecoli.com/threads/chi...-refusing-them-services.771747/#post-37209011
While the news here is terrible, at least one of the points I made in that thread is being demonstrated here.



When you travel anywhere, that's who need to check in with, your consul general/embassy (fukk Trick Trick). THAT office needs to be behind the scenes, trying to resolve your problems with the local govt.

cued


GREAT to read. Like I said previously, people who travel abroad have government officials who are suppose to resolve the problems they encounter with officials in the country they are at. Otherwise, your passport and nationality doesn't mean much.

fukk the internet chatter, name calling, etc...that's all pointless shyt

Chinese officials are put on high alert, gonna be consequences and repercussions if you fukk with the citizens of these countries .

Note that, it's not "the actions of a few" as you are categorizing it, but officials acting on the orders of that STATE. So, the STATE representing these African citizens takes actions designed to address what is happening. Ghana sets up a meeting with the Chinese consul. Kenya official suggests getting the attention of Chinese officials another way.by retaliting ..while the Nigerian consul in China is seen berating an official of the Chinese govt

 

[Amestafuu (Emeritus)]

No one subject was a focal point of conversation. The OP had simply an image of the African continent carved according to their respective colonizers. Everyone discussed anything pertaining to the image and that includes slavery.
if you read my posts I touched on a lot of different key items.

the silly games we play the focal point of discussion in the last few pages is slavery

 

[Ya?]

the silly games we play the focal point of discussion in the last few pages is slavery

It’s a forum and there are no rules on where conversation can lead especially if there are no given parameters that the subject should remain within a certain topic such as colonialism. If that is where you want to limit the conversation that is on you. There are all types of blacks on this site, it doesn’t only consist of Africans, there is nothing wrong in approaching the topic in a multifaceted manner. So because I am bringing a different perspective, I have an agenda?
I am not you, I don’t think like you nor I am interested in mirroring what you say. Isn’t this what a conversation is about?

 

[Amestafuu (Emeritus)]

It’s a forum and there are no rules on where conversation can lead especially if there are no given parameters that the subject should remain within a certain topic such as colonialism. If that is where you want to limit the conversation that is on you. There are all types of blacks on this site, it doesn’t only consist of Africans, there is nothing wrong in approaching the topic in a multifaceted manner.

have fun with it then. I can always see the motivations and I wasn't wrong.

 

[Ya?]

have fun with it then. I can always see the motivations and I wasn't wrong.

typical behaviour, bye.

 

[Cobalt Sire]

As other posters have mentioned the concept of race was foreign and came to be after colonialism. I know it’s hard to wrap your mind around it but people saw themselves as different ethnic groups and didn’t share racial unity back then.

The same thing with whites but they on the other hand had the advantage of being the explorers so their self identification changed as they travelled the world and strengthened their racial unity when faced with the other.

Let's pretend everyone was colorblind, even though white people were the complete opposite of anyone Africans had ever seen, but let's pretend anyway. White people were understood to come from a different part of the world. They wore different clothes, they had different accents. Even without race, they were clearly distinguished from any African people. Many Africans had similar clothing, ways of living, accents, and a certain familiarity with each other. They lived side by side since the beginning of time. White people were strange and different, more different than anyone else. When African people saw these foreign men caging and shackling other Africans, they never thought "that could be me"? They didn't realize that foreign men were taking all Africans, no matter what tribe, country, etc.? These foreign men were taking women and children, not just war criminals. This was nothing like African slavery. Were white people taking tribes, or were they taking Africans? It shouldn't have taken long to see that they were taking "us." And once that realization set in, it should've horrified people to see what they were doing to "us."

 

[Ya?]

Let's pretend everyone was colorblind, even though white people were the complete opposite of anyone Africans had ever seen, but let's pretend anyway. White people were understood to come from a different part of the world. They wore different clothes, they had different accents. Even without race, they were clearly distinguished from any African people. Many Africans had similar clothing, ways of living, accents, and a certain familiarity with each other. They lived side by side since the beginning of time. White people were strange and different, more different than anyone else. When African people saw these foreign men caging and shackling other Africans, they never thought "that could be me"? They didn't realize that foreign men were taking all Africans, no matter what tribe, country, etc.? These foreign men were taking women and children. What crimes did those women and children commit? This was nothing like African slavery. Were white people taking tribes, or were they taking Africans? It shouldn't have taken long to see that they were taking "us." And once that realization set in, it should've horrified people to see what they were doing to "us."

No they didn’t, no they thought this Asante igbo or ewe was being caged.

Racial consciousness cane way later.