Africa Needs Dictators not Presidents.

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You don't think there is anything wrong with authoritarianism via a dictator?
If we had a discussion, I could probably find how the ideal responsible people in positions of power make sure that outcomes for the people in general were good. I'd be like 95% making up a make believe scenario, lol, but in dream world it could work
 
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In my opinion, this Joshua guy spews nonsense and uses broad generalizations to hide his ignorance about the continent. He and PLO Lumumba offer no real solutions, just feel-good drivel. They found a market, of Africans who wanted to listen to their nonsense on repeat, and decided to stick to it.

Again, in my opinion, Africa needs to split into more autonomous states defined along ethnic lines. The problem is, some Africans, demoralized by Western propaganda, see this as tribalism. Funny, because most can’t even define tribalism or trace its roots in their societies. They just believe maintaining colonial states as they are is the only way, and anything else is 'tribalism.'

Some are scared from even smaller convos, like discussing how different ethnic groups in Africa adapted to different environments and specific diets and need those same diets to be more productive.
They’ll shut it down with, "That’s how it started with Tutsis and Hutus, and then yap, yap, yap..."

A few weeks ago, a viral post with over 100,000 likes claimed, "West African genetics make it easier to gain muscle." and the comments, mostly from Africans, were a mess of fear and deflection: "Bro, stop talking about this; it’s why they bought slaves. Not all West Africans can build muscle easily. Some African groups saw themselves as stronger and sold others into slavery. Avoid these convos."
Not one comment suggested, "We should study ancient West African diets to improve modern health issues." Instead, it was all fear-mongering and cries of "tribalism." This pathetic reaction shows how deeply Western narratives have conditioned some Africans to avoid any discussion that touches on ethnic differences, even when it could lead to practical solutions. For example, understanding how certain groups adapted to high-protein diets or specific agricultural practices could unlock insights into tackling modern issues like malnutrition or obesity. Many studies have also shown that some African ethnic groups got shorter after adopting western diets. While others became more prone to obesity. But instead of embracing these conversations, to make proper changes, people shut them down, terrified of being labeled divisive or revisiting painful histories, missing opportunities to leverage their own heritage for progress.

In reality, tribalism is only an issue when you force different groups from distinct nation-states with centuries of unique histories and political structures into artificial states and demand they stick together, despite little progress. If everyone in a state shares the same language, government, cultural beliefs, mythologies, attire, food, and names, what room is there for tribalism? Problems will still exist, as they do in homogeneous states like Denmark, Sweden, or Japan, but tribalism won’t be the issue.

How is this hard to grasp? If I prioritize my group over others, the solution isn’t to tell me to abandon my centuries-old roots and adopt colonial identities to seem 'civilized' to foreign, mostly Western, audiences. The solution is to give me space to live as my group, maintain my group, and choose which groups to trade or interact with.

It’s ironic because some of Africa’s most successful states emerged from people recognizing similarities and breaking away from previous larger states to form their own, like the Ashanti Kingdom. Even today, Botswana outperforms others because most of its people share a language, culture, and beliefs.
 

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They still following the white supremacy blueprint. So they want someone to completely control their lives, telling them what they can do and what they cannot do? :what:
 
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Africa has had plenty of dictators. Some were the colonial powers themselves. Some of them were originally elected and never left. Some of them over threw elected governments.

Your argument lacks sense unless you can only view events without context or specificity.

Which leaders were originally elected and never left power? And those who seized control through coups—what were their social or educational backgrounds, and who backed them? You’re framing events as if the “winners” claim victory, and European platforms legitimize their rule as “fair,” then that’s the end of it. This can be easily debunked by the numerous civil wars and clashes that erupted right after these so-called “original elections.”

And it is always important to remember, that In the early years of independence, a major tool for legitimizing "elections" was the radio, specifically, European-controlled radios. Later, it was television, again dominated by European networks. When discussing independence, Europeans never accepted to negotiate with traditionalists or Africanists. They didn’t want to lose control of a vast continent and its potential resources, nor did they want to forgo a consumer market. So, they only deemed “fairly elected” those who were Europhile and educated to perpetuate their systems. And for most of the 20th century, radio was the primary propaganda tool. They could announce, “X is the new leader of country Y,” or “The insurrection against Mobutu’s coup has stopped and everything is great again, becoming more prosperous,” while everything outside the capital was still burning. Who could counter that propaganda, and how?

And for this same reason, Europeans, with their superior military capacity in the 20th century, never supported coups by traditionalists or Africanists because those groups wouldn’t align with their interests. But they supported a lot of Europhiles when those they previously helped achieve power became tired of their manipulations. So yes, Africa has had plenty of dictators, but after 20th century, every single one, without exception, was a product of the West and propped up by Western support. Even Robert Mugabe, later demonized, was initially a Western creation, praised by them. When Mugabe was persecuting Africanists from the Ndebele ethnic group, who sought their own separate nation, the British supplied him with military support. He only became “demonic” when he started seizing land from whites.

 

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A very simplistic view. Had plenty of culturally assimilated dictators. But not really plenty who were Africanists. All of the post-20th century African dictators were a product of western education or religious beliefs. In fact, when you think about it, they ended up following the guide perfectly. Because the goal for these assimilated people was for them rise to power and later maintain connections and a relationship of dependency with former colonial powers or similar states(like Switzerland, Austria etc).

Bokassa - French assimilated background. Raised in French missionary schools since the age of 6.

Bongo family(Gabon) - Same thing as Bokassa.

Ngessou(Congo Brazza) - Same thing

Gnassingbé family(Togo) Same thing.

Idi Amim - British assimilated background.

Dos Santos and Chissano - Same thing. Both came from culturally assimilated families. Genetically they were African but culturally were Euro-African, leaning more to the European side.

Mobutu - Very similar to Bokasa but replace 'French' with "Belgian"

Like, when you go to all of the dictators, the history is always the same. Educated from a younger age at missionary colonial schools.
This is an incomplete post. Please finish your thought and take it to its final conclusion for the sake of clarity.


Am I correct to assume that you think a dictator would work if they were raised in a domestic african school system?
 

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I don't pay no mind to YouTube talking heads. That's where a lot fools supplement their lack of education.

I won't watch that video. But the title is goofy. I lived with a dictator named Daniel Arap Moi most my life in Kenya. He was a piece of shyt. Museveni was/is next door. Mugabe was down the block

Need I say more? A lot of smart dumb shyt passed around. Dictators don't have checks and balances when they start to malfunction. That's why I told brehs I'm not on the Traore hype train. I like democracy.
 

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In my opinion, this Joshua guy spews nonsense and uses broad generalizations to hide his ignorance about the continent. He and PLO Lumumba offer no real solutions, just feel-good drivel. They found a market, of Africans who wanted to listen to their nonsense on repeat, and decided to stick to it.

Again, in my opinion, Africa needs to split into more autonomous states defined along ethnic lines. The problem is, some Africans, demoralized by Western propaganda, see this as tribalism. Funny, because most can’t even define tribalism or trace its roots in their societies. They just believe maintaining colonial states as they are is the only way, and anything else is 'tribalism.'

Some are scared from even smaller convos, like discussing how different ethnic groups in Africa adapted to different environments and specific diets and need those same diets to be more productive.
They’ll shut it down with, "That’s how it started with Tutsis and Hutus, and then yap, yap, yap..."

A few weeks ago, a viral post with over 100,000 likes claimed, "West African genetics make it easier to gain muscle." and the comments, mostly from Africans, were a mess of fear and deflection: "Bro, stop talking about this; it’s why they bought slaves. Not all West Africans can build muscle easily. Some African groups saw themselves as stronger and sold others into slavery. Avoid these convos."
Not one comment suggested, "We should study ancient West African diets to improve modern health issues." Instead, it was all fear-mongering and cries of "tribalism." This pathetic reaction shows how deeply Western narratives have conditioned some Africans to avoid any discussion that touches on ethnic differences, even when it could lead to practical solutions. For example, understanding how certain groups adapted to high-protein diets or specific agricultural practices could unlock insights into tackling modern issues like malnutrition or obesity. Many studies have also shown that some African ethnic groups got shorter after adopting western diets. While others became more prone to obesity. But instead of embracing these conversations, to make proper changes, people shut them down, terrified of being labeled divisive or revisiting painful histories, missing opportunities to leverage their own heritage for progress.

In reality, tribalism is only an issue when you force different groups from distinct nation-states with centuries of unique histories and political structures into artificial states and demand they stick together, despite little progress. If everyone in a state shares the same language, government, cultural beliefs, mythologies, attire, food, and names, what room is there for tribalism? Problems will still exist, as they do in homogeneous states like Denmark, Sweden, or Japan, but tribalism won’t be the issue.

How is this hard to grasp? If I prioritize my group over others, the solution isn’t to tell me to abandon my centuries-old roots and adopt colonial identities to seem 'civilized' to foreign, mostly Western, audiences. The solution is to give me space to live as my group, maintain my group, and choose which groups to trade or interact with.

It’s ironic because some of Africa’s most successful states emerged from people recognizing similarities and breaking away from previous larger states to form their own, like the Ashanti Kingdom. Even today, Botswana outperforms others because most of its people share a language, culture, and beliefs.
reminds me of this study I read that theorizes that African American health issues stem from vitamin A toxicity.

TLDR it says that people of West Central African decent process vitamin A differently to combat tropical diseases...
eating a Western diet may cause issues with us because its heavy in Vit A and there are no diseases such as malaria


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Like another poster said in the short term like the Sahel yes, that type of leadership where the people's interests are first is absolutely necessary. China did it for 40 years and look at them now. We need something similar minus the authoritarian punishment of dissenters, something a bit more tame like a gentle prison boot camp a la camp fed where they get reeducated for 3-15 years depending on their progress:lolbron:
 

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I don't pay no mind to YouTube talking heads. That's where a lot fools supplement their lack of education.

I won't watch that video. But the title is goofy. I lived with a dictator named Daniel Arap Moi most my life in Kenya. He was a piece of shyt. Museveni was/is next door. Mugabe was down the block

Need I say more? A lot of smart dumb shyt passed around. Dictators don't have checks and balances when they start to malfunction. That's why I told brehs I'm not on the Traore hype train. I like democracy.

Only a fool would advocate placing the future of a nation on the whims of one man.

The problem with African nations is that we have so many disparate peoples who were forced into single nations as a result of colonialism. It’s going to take many more decades to truly form a national identity.

But hey, we are doing it at warp speed compared to European nations after Rome fell. It took them a millennium to form nation state identities.

And fukk Daniel Arap Moi.

If there was a model of benevolent authoritarianism, I would say look to the CCP, but I have no idea how they have managed to keep corruption from rotting their institutions. I’m sure greed and corruption will get them at some point.
 
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This is an incomplete post. Please finish your thought and take it to its final conclusion for the sake of clarity.


Am I correct to assume that you think a dictator would work if they were raised in a domestic african school system?

My direct reply to the original post explains everything more clearly.

If a dictator is raised in a homogeneous environment within a domestic African school of thought, prioritizing their own people would be their main goal. This fosters social cohesion and a shared purpose rooted in common history, culture, and identity. Doing otherwise would bring shame and dishonor, as their community would hold them accountable. I’ll explain this further below.


First, let’s address the distorted narrative about what a “dictator” is. Many think a dictator is just a power-hungry maniac who kills anyone who opposes them. That’s not always true. Dictators can be benevolent and in our historical context were mostly benevolent leaders enforcing social norms for stability. Dictators can work with teams. In fact, there isn't a way for a dictator to completely work alone and decide every single thing. For example, Osei Tutu II, the Ashanti king, was a dictator in the sense of holding strong authority, but he was a good one, uniting his people under shared values. Otherwise, how do you build a new state without consensus on laws or government structure? Imagine trying to start a state where everyone disagrees on the basics. Some have historically accepted women in their councils and leadership, others never did; some demand their language, others insist on theirs. Colonial languages? No, they erase identity. One group’s attire, land, or leader? No, another group’s. This chaos happens because African states often lack shared foundations. It is a huge problem, the fact that in many of our modern states, what connects the state together, at the base, are the outsourced and forced European values and norms.


However, in homogeneous traditionalist states, a strong dictator from the overwhelm majority group can align everyone on the basics, thus reducing conflict and focusing mostly on what the majority truly needs. Because he is conscious that to his group, he will be seen as a huge failure and an eternal boogeyman, in case he fails to properly lead his homogeneous nation. Right now, the way our systems were established, the dictator doesn't need to care about the true voices of the majority because they are not related to him and those related to him benefit the most from his corrupt leadership.

Second, there’s a flawed narrative about “own people” when it comes to Black Africans and their descendants. It’s been reduced to “they share the same skin color, physical features, or genetic proximity, so they should work together.” If they don’t, people assume they’re just incapable of cooperation. This oversimplified view isn’t applied elsewhere. This is a form of psychological warfare used against us.
No one expects Koreans, Japanese, and Han Chinese(despite similar appearances and genetics) to merge into one nation without issues. It led to wars when tried. No one thinks Germans, Russians, and Poles could blend seamlessly without wars. It doesn’t work for Russia and Ukraine, despite shared genetic and language roots, or for Yugoslavia, which broke apart violently. Yet, they have programmed us to believe Yorubas (who built states like Owo, Oyo, and Ife) and Hausas (who created states like Zazzau, Gobir, and Kano) should ignore thousands of years of distinct histories, languages, and systems to act as one, just because European colonialists forced them together in the 20th century for their own gain. And this applies across Africa when you substitute Yoruba and Hausa with any other groups, and the issue persists. Forcing unity under artificial borders ignores Africa’s diverse, pre-colonial societies, each with sophisticated governance tailored to their needs. This sets the stage for conflict and failure.


In addition, and this is very important to notice...If you look at modern African dictators with strong ties to their traditional or ethnic backgrounds, you easily see that their ethnic groups often dominate the upper class, controlling key political, economic, and military positions. These leaders prioritize their ethnic group because they identify with them, since it’s natural. This isn’t unique to Africa; ethnic favoritism happens worldwide. But it’s worse in many African states where colonial borders ignored ethnic realities. In our cases, loyalty to one’s group overshadows any “national” unity, because these groups were already their own nations.

This forced unity also breeds a depressing idea: assimilating into a “fake nation” means losing your true identity. It erases cultural pride, replacing it with a hollow national construct that feels alien. Leading many to believe that the only way to protect their identity is to put more of their ethnic group in power. This also creates money-obsessed societies where people prioritize personal or ethnic gain over the common good. If a leader from one group controls a region rich in minerals or timber wanted by China or Russia, they’ll exploit it, even if it destroys local communities. Their ancestral land is safe, so they don’t care.
For example, in the Democratic Republic of Congo, ethnic elites profit from coltan and cobalt deals with foreign powers, while natives in resource-rich areas face violence and displacement. ATTENTION: Going from the Western part of DRC to the Eastern part of DRC, is approximately the same distance as going from Poland(the Baltic sea part) to Egypt(Cairo, in the Sahara desert). You can check this yourself. Plot on Google Maps, from Kitombe DRC to Arua DRC/Uganda border. Then plot Gdasnk to Cairo. No one who is sane, would ever think about classifying all the ethnic groups located from Baltic-Poland to Sahara-Egypt as a single "nation" and then expect positive results from this "nation". This is peak insanity. The DRC is massive, it has over 2.3 million square kilometers, and with resources concentrated in specific regions, often controlled by specific ethnic elites who are not from the regions being exploited and feel no connection to the broader “nation.”. To summarize, this is the main source of conflict in DRCongo. The exploited lands have native groups. And these native groups were once independent nations, like the Danes, Swedes, or Koreans were tribes with their own lands and identities.
So why do we have to maintain the flawed and forced framework? Because "they are just black and should get along"? Nahhh

When Russia bombs Ukraine and sells Ukrainian resources cheaply to China or Iran or North Korea, we don’t say, “They’re both white, why can’t they get along?”. No, we just see Russia as a state dominated by ethnic Russians pursuing its own interests. Yet, with Africa, Western propaganda has programmed us to believe that “they’re all Black, they should just work together,” ignoring centuries of distinct histories. Not for me. Recognizing ethnic distinctions and allowing more autonomous governance will eliminate most tensions. Groups could focus on their own development without fighting over scraps in artificial states where a few ethnic elites hoard resources and power.
 
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