AFRIKANS (the "Untouchables" "Dalits") IN INDIA

[bouncy]

^ Siddis are Bantu and most came to India with the Muslims conquest of the Indian subcontinent.

So, how do you think India came about in its customs, and where did the people come from?

 

[Bawon Samedi]

Who are these Ethiopian rules in part of Indian subcontinent? Can you name them?

See here.
http://www.thecoli.com/posts/18992828/

 

[AndroidHero]

peep @Black Cobain's post above, also read Africans in India: From slaves to reformers and rulers - BBC News

Yes I'm aware of the history of Siddis in India and how they were used as soldiers, military strategists by the Muslim Mughal.

 

[AndroidHero]

SO, you do believe those things actually happened to him such as the snake? I take it you believe Jesus existed, and is God's son.

Look, you can't have it both ways. You can't say you don't believe in the miraculous things then say he did exist, yet you have no proof of him existing besides texts.

What the hell are you talking about?
Gautama Buddha or Siddhārtha Buddha was a real person, just because his followers believe he was a some kind of an enlightened god or whatever doesn't mean he didn't exist.

What kind of proof do you need to believe that a historic figure was real besides his/her influence and writing and texts?

 

[bouncy]

What the hell are you talking about?
Gautama Buddha or Siddhārtha Buddha was a real person, just because his followers believe he was a some kind of an enlightened god or whatever doesn't mean he didn't exist.

Do you have proof?

If you go by texts, and being influential, then you do believe Jesus existed as well, correct?

Even Ancient Egyptians have proof that they existed with mummies, why don't these religious people yall believe in so much ever have something to verify their existence? You can't even find dead bodies to observe!

This is what I mean by being subjugated to this world. You believe in something with no proof besides what someone is telling you, and they benefit from it, yet you wouldn't even believe me if I said the same story, and I'm right here for you to question! Yall are sleep!

 

[Pressure]

Indians are very much concerned with color. Also with height.

If you're a tall, fair skinned south Indian you're practically a unicorn.

 

[GetInTheTruck]

Nice listen from an actual Indian who talks about India's history, and culture. The way he describes Indians, its just like our story as far as racism, and how the people act because of it, except they are hurting each other! I feel bad for some of them over there, that caste system is no joke! It was like that for us here, thankfully our elders fought for us to not go through it as bad as they did.



@GetInTheTruck
What caste are you or your family?

Let me know how wrong he is, as you usually do when someone says something you disagree with about India, but I really want to hear both sides, I want to find some hidden knowledge. You laugh about the ear lobe theory I mentioned when dealing with Buddha, but the more I looked into it, there is something going on. Its the same with language and people who study history with it. I might can't reply, because I'm gonna deactivate my account soon.

After doing more research, and then listening to this guy, I take back that I agree with you that the caste system has nothing to do with color. I think it does now, but it was created so long ago, and religion used to keep it going, that its hard to prove it it if you just go by skin color as we do in the states. The way India plays the racism game is by using religion, and jobs , but the origin comes from race issues.


Btw, no disrespect, but you sound like the people he was describing in the early part of the first video, when you question things that seem wrong in India, or want to find out more. I understand an average ignorant getting mad, but you claim knowledge, and spirituality, which in my eyes puts you above the common man in self discipline, but you don't seem to have it. I also see lack of righteousness for siding with good, because I remember in a thread where you linked an Indians being worshiped by whites, and when i mentioned the guy you linked was a sexual abuser of his followers, you didn't reply to condemn him, you just ignored it. It's like you just wanted people to think only good, but you ignored the negative, which to me shows what side you may be on. Again, no disrespect, its just how I see it from my experience with you.

You can let your anger get out of control, and talk down on me, now!

Oh, an actual Indian huh? As opposed to all those fake Indians who couldn't possibly be authentic because they don't agree with pseudo-historical views. Great.

Just so you know, it's poor form to ask somebody their caste outright, it's better to ask what community they come from. But for your curiosity, my family are Kannada Brahmins from Karnataka, South India. My mother's side are Madhwa brahmins and my fathers side are Hoysala Karnataka brahmins. Historically, Madhwa brahmins have been poor and simple living village people. Hoysala Karnataka brahmins are more affluent since they have been in the direct service of kings. This alone demonstrates caste isn't always a guarantor of social status. The Patel's from Gujurat are traditionally lower-caste people, but they are socially dominant not only in India, but overseas as well. The same goes for lots of Punjabis.

I don't think you understand that Brahmins are like 2-3% of the total Indian population. Brahmins may dominate in the religious sphere, and when it comes to marriage, but in all other aspects of society caste doesn't really come into play...unless we are talking about some rural village.

As for the video, you always like to imply that I'm racist because I don't accept the stuff you post from black pseudo-scholars, well just because you post the same type of shyt being pushed by an Indian (oh im sorry, a "real indian) doesn't magically make it all of a sudden acceptable. Like somebody else said, this guy is a nobody, but you are ready to believe everything he says because he confirms your biases. This man represents a political ideology that is anti-brahmin/hindu and so he will say whatever he needs to to whoever he needs to in order to bolster that and attain some air of legitimacy. If you have genuine curiosity about India, why don't you seek out appropriate avenues of scholarship? There's tons out there. But unfortunately your interest in India seems only to extend so far as how much you can attribute it's civilization and cultural achievements to "Afrikans," due to your own insecurities regarding your identity. I somewhat sympathize with you, but I'm sorry, but you aren't coming from an honest place.

 

[GetInTheTruck]

I've been posting about this subject on and off

Siddi - Wikipedia


Jamal-ud-Din Yaqut - Wikipedia

This guy was very close to Razia Sultana, the first and only female ruler of the Delhi Sultanate, who later gave him the title Emirs of Emirs, which was only supposssed to be given to fellow Turks. He was subject to false rumors of being lovers with Razia and got killed by her Brother's usurper army.

Ambar, Malik (1548--1626) | The Black Past: Remembered and Reclaimed

Nobody is denying an African presence in India, lots of different people have had contact with and have settled there throughout history, through various means and for various reasons....but this is separate from what the OP is trying to imply. He wants to attribute India's entire civilization and culture to Africans.

 

[thekyuke]

Oh, an actual Indian huh? As opposed to all those fake Indians who couldn't possibly be authentic because they don't agree with pseudo-historical views. Great.

Just so you know, it's poor form to ask somebody their caste outright, it's better to ask what community they come from. But for your curiosity, my family are Kannada Brahmins from Karnataka, South India. My mother's side are Madhwa brahmins and my fathers side are Hoysala Karnataka brahmins. Historically, Madhwa brahmins have been poor and simple living village people. Hoysala Karnataka brahmins are more affluent since they have been in the direct service of kings. This alone demonstrates caste isn't always a guarantor of social status. The Patel's from Gujurat are traditionally lower-caste people, but they are socially dominant not only in India, but overseas as well. The same goes for lots of Punjabis.

I don't think you understand that Brahmins are like 2-3% of the total Indian population. Brahmins may dominate in the religious sphere, and when it comes to marriage, but in all other aspects of society caste doesn't really come into play...unless we are talking about some rural village.

As for the video, you always like to imply that I'm racist because I don't accept the stuff you post from black pseudo-scholars, well just because you post the same type of shyt being pushed by an Indian (oh im sorry, a "real indian) doesn't magically make it all of a sudden acceptable. Like somebody else said, this guy is a nobody, but you are ready to believe everything he says because he confirms your biases. This man represents a political ideology that is anti-brahmin/hindu and so he will say whatever he needs to to whoever he needs to in order to bolster that and attain some air of legitimacy. If you have genuine curiosity about India, why don't you seek out appropriate avenues of scholarship? There's tons out there. But unfortunately your interest in India seems only to extend so far as how much you can attribute it's civilization and cultural achievements to "Afrikans," due to your own insecurities regarding your identity. I somewhat sympathize with you, but I'm sorry, but you aren't coming from an honest place.

Last year on another I had tons of linguistic and cultural evidence indicating the African origins of much of what is accepted as India's historical achievements.I genuinely wanted an answer from you but you went dark. We can continue but one condition:
-you can't dismiss my findings cause they're from 'afrocentrists;' fyi,they actually quote white guys research going back a century.
Can we begin?

 

[AndroidHero]

Last year on another I had tons of linguistic and cultural evidence indicating the African origins of much of what is accepted as India's historical achievements.

Really?!! Why don't you guys leave India's history to Indians? They are many great African civilizations that are imo more accomplished and much more interesting than India history.

they actually quote white guys research going back a century.

Now we should believe white people account of history? The same white people lying about ancient Egypt.

 

[GetInTheTruck]

Last year on another I had tons of linguistic and cultural evidence indicating the African origins of much of what is accepted as India's historical achievements.I genuinely wanted an answer from you but you went dark. We can continue but one condition:
-you can't dismiss my findings cause they're from 'afrocentrists;' fyi,they actually quote white guys research going back a century.
Can we begin?

No I didn't go dark, and those threads can be looked up and referenced. You posted stuff by clyde winters who isn't a linguist, or an anthropologist, and has been discredited by his own sources. You also posted random YouTube videos as evidence. That thread is here if you wanna revisit it:

http://www.thecoli.com/threads/arch...-cities-deep-in-honduras-jungle.306552/page-1

 

[thekyuke]

No I didn't go dark, and those threads can be looked up and referenced. You posted stuff by clyde winters who isn't a linguist, or an anthropologist, and has been discredited by his own sources. That thread is here if you wanna revisit it:

http://www.thecoli.com/threads/arch...-cities-deep-in-honduras-jungle.306552/page-1

We can go back to it but follow the rule! Don't dismiss or ignore info cause its "Afrocentric!"

 

[GetInTheTruck]

We can go back to it but follow the rule! Don't dismiss or ignore info cause its "Afrocentric!"

I dismiss all racialized caricatures of history, sorry.

 

[Dr. Sebi Jr.]

I dismiss all racialized caricatures of history, sorry.

Everyone important and good was BLACK.

 

[bouncy]

Oh, an actual Indian huh? As opposed to all those fake Indians who couldn't possibly be authentic because they don't agree with pseudo-historical views. Great.

Just so you know, it's poor form to ask somebody their caste outright, it's better to ask what community they come from. But for your curiosity, my family are Kannada Brahmins from Karnataka, South India. My mother's side are Madhwa brahmins and my fathers side are Hoysala Karnataka brahmins. Historically, Madhwa brahmins have been poor and simple living village people. Hoysala Karnataka brahmins are more affluent since they have been in the direct service of kings. This alone demonstrates caste isn't always a guarantor of social status. The Patel's from Gujurat are traditionally lower-caste people, but they are socially dominant not only in India, but overseas as well. The same goes for lots of Punjabis.

I don't think you understand that Brahmins are like 2-3% of the total Indian population. Brahmins may dominate in the religious sphere, and when it comes to marriage, but in all other aspects of society caste doesn't really come into play...unless we are talking about some rural village.

As for the video, you always like to imply that I'm racist because I don't accept the stuff you post from black pseudo-scholars, well just because you post the same type of shyt being pushed by an Indian (oh im sorry, a "real indian) doesn't magically make it all of a sudden acceptable. Like somebody else said, this guy is a nobody, but you are ready to believe everything he says because he confirms your biases. This man represents a political ideology that is anti-brahmin/hindu and so he will say whatever he needs to to whoever he needs to in order to bolster that and attain some air of legitimacy. If you have genuine curiosity about India, why don't you seek out appropriate avenues of scholarship? There's tons out there. But unfortunately your interest in India seems only to extend so far as how much you can attribute it's civilization and cultural achievements to "Afrikans," due to your own insecurities regarding your identity. I somewhat sympathize with you, but I'm sorry, but you aren't coming from an honest place.

But this video had nothing to do with Africans in India! I said an actual Indian, because some would discredit him if he wasn't. You know that, but your anger blinds you!

If you watched you would know that, its just named that so you can watch it. He talks about Indian culture as it is done today, and its origins coming from racists.

Secondly, everything he said was true about how Indians treat certain people in their society. I went to verify everything, and it was true. Even the book on Hindu imperialism being banned, that book is very hard to get.

Thirdly, you have done what he says your caste would do when asked. I have seen you do it throughout the years when talking about India. Like I already mentioned, you tend to play trickery when it comes to India, and not tell the whole story to make it look peaceful, and spiritual. Of course there is a chance your family would be poor, a good portion of Indians are, especially if they live in a village! See what I mean with the trickery. It works on fools, not me. The point wasn't about money, and you know it, but you play these games. You say "Brahmins may dominate in the religious sphere, and when it comes to marriage, but in all other aspects of society caste doesn't really come into play", but there is one problem, a significant portion of Indians are Hindus are that is a major part of their lives, so it does play a major role in everyday activities. You are really no different then racists whites who play the same thing when it comes to race, and money. They will say blacks have more money so we don't deal with racism, but that is far from the truth. This explains why you think the way you do on stop'n'frisk, even when the proof says the opposite of what you want to believe.

I think your racists because of your thinking, and your trickery, it has nothing to do with disagreement, that is YOU projecting onto me. I have told you this numerous times, yet you keep saying this.

There is no need to reply, because I just wanted the info you gave me to understand as I never understood why you played the games you did, and I'm gonna be out, i just needed verification once I deal with more like you in the future. being on forums allows me to get into your mind to see how you think, in the real wolrd I wouldn't feel like playing the games, and seeing these people all the time.

Thank you for your time, It all makes sense now. Peace.