Afrocentricity vs. Homosexuality: The Isis Papers

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Afrocentricity vs. Homosexuality: The Isis Papers
by Matthew Quest



Dr. Frances Cress Welsing's The Isis Papers (Third World Press, 1991) is one of the most popular texts of the much debated but loosely defined ideology of afrocentricity. Arguing for the African origins of civilization by highlighting Egyptian and othe r Africans' pioneering achievements in architecture, science, and philosophy, afrocentric interpretations of history subvert traditional eurocentric fabrications.

Afrocentric scholars also potentially open a path toward a new humanism, one which includes everybody with an African ancestry"”the whole human race.

Unfortunately, misguided scholars often silence Black women, gay men, and lesbians, identifying these voices as oppressive and divisive manifestations of white supremacy. It is their reluctance to link questions of race with resistance to other oppress ions that reinforces the categories of "race" that are the essence of eurocentric denigration of "non-white" peoples.

The Origins of White Supremacy

Welsing articulates a familiar critique of white supremacy as the dominant system and culture in the Western world. However, her notions about the origins and perpetuation of racism are far from conventional. White supremacy, according to Welsing, bega n with the birth of albinos in Africa. These "recessive genetic mutants" began to mate with one another and multiply, producing what is now known as the white race.

Besides masking their African origin and proclaiming their affinity with Greece, whites avoid the true meaning of skin whiteness: "a mutation and genetic deficiency state from the Black norm, 'hue-man' norm." White supremacy is a psychological defense mechanism to genetic color inadequacy (whiteness). Dr. Welsing believes whites are "genetically vulnerable," and therefore overcompensate for their insecurity with oppressive behavior towards people of color.

Effeminization as Oppression

A major tool of those who subscribe to white supremacy, according to Welsing, is the perpetuation of Black male passivity through encouraging effeminization, bisexuality, and homosexuality. Welsing believes this is "a problem of epidemic proportions am ongst Black people in the US."

Homophobia in communities of color is rampant...to the tenth power of the white mainstream. Why? Because the struggle for human rights against white supremacy has been disproportionately explained as the need to achieve "manhood" rights, from the perio d of the slave trade to the present.

Welsing believes homosexual patterns of behavior are simply expressions of male self-submission to other males in the area of "sex," as well as in other areas"”economics, education, entertainment, labor, law, politics, religion, and war. Oppression is d efined as forced submission, homosexuality as a sign of weakness.

Welsing defines "primary effeminacy" and "secondary effeminacy" to distinguish white causes of homosexuality from Black ones. "Primary effeminacy" is a self-derived response by whites to their genetic insufficiency, causing a negation of self-reproduct ion due to disgust with their own genetic weaknesses.

"Secondary effeminacy" (Black male homosexuality) is consciously imposed on the Black man by the white man for the purpose of destroying the Black family. Welsing attempts to propagate a patriarchal concept of the Black family, which is curious, since it is afrocentric conventional wisdom that there was no patriarchy in traditional African societies.

Welsing does have a concept of gender roles being environmentally conditioned. However, a continuum would not represent qualities such as aggression and nurturing as universal that all humans can embody. Rather, the author clearly believes that in the process of the Black man taking on homosexual tendencies, he is acting like a woman. She is firmly against this as illustrated by the following examples.

From her work with incarcerated Black males, Welsing concludes that, as they have been broken by the system and forced to submit to an authoritarian environment, prison is the epitome of white supremacy. Black males are "feminized in jail" in the follo wing ways: They are given orders by men to whom they must submit; they wait passively to be fed three meals a day by men; and finally, they have sexual intercourse with men.

Welsing, in an attack on cross dressers of the "Flip Wilson/Geraldine" variety, implies that a real Black man wouldn't wear earrings or bracelets. How can an African-centered critique of white supremacy discount the earring and bracelet wearing Masai w arriors or the "Mau Mau," just two of many examples of "manhood" in resistance?

The author, angry with the American Psychological Association's relatively recent repeal of their former opinion that homosexuality constitutes poor mental health, prescribes a distinct position for Black people. Black psychiatrists must understand tha t whites may condone homosexuality for themselves, but we as Blacks must see it as a strategy for destroying Black people.

Welsing argues that homosexuals or bisexuals should neither be condemned nor degraded, as they did not decide that they would be so programmed in childhood. The racist system should be held responsible.

Welsing believes the task of professionals who concur with her should be proactive treatment and prevention of homosexuality among Black people.

Feminism

Welsing argues that, since there is no patriarchy in traditional African societies, a feminist critique is not necessary. Besides, feminism is eurocentric. I wonder what Angela Davis, Audre Lorde, Michele Wallace, and bell hooks would think of that. Th ey're anything but eurocentric.

Welsing, disgusted with the stereotyped image of the Black male as "sex-machine," believes the Black male should be the guardian of Black civilization, not only in protecting the family even at consequence of death, but by procreating. It is their sper m which is endowed with the melanin that preserves the "hue-man" norm.

Welsing gives the Black woman agency in preserving Black manhood from becoming the female, clown, infant, buffoon, transvestite, homosexual, etc. This should be done by denying these "effeminized men" "the right" to procreate, and should be enforced by the "self-respecting" Black woman.

Revolution

Welsing offers The Isis Papers as a revolutionary treatise. This makes many of her assertions even more problematic. By equating Black manhood with "not macho or money" but "warrior or soldier against the system," she attempts to deny Black homosexuals and women, whites, and others, their necessary role as revolutionaries against white supremacy.

She suffers from the common reasoning among Black middle-class voices (common especially now in books articulating their "rage") that are surprised and/or dis appointed that "even when high income is allowed, there is no true power in its ultimate sense"”meaning to support, protect and defend the lives of one's self, one's wife, and one's children." Dr. Welsing remains adamant that a class analysis of capitalism is not relevant to Black people, as most afrocentrists claim, because they are oppressed as a race.

Dr. Welsing, like many afrocentrists, puts forward a conception of revolution that is doomed to fail. However, it has already been successful in provoking the politics of reaction, though not on the scale of her eurocentric predecessors.

Under the guise of unity she continues the alienation of Black homosexuals as acting white and/or acting abnormal. Under an American system of white supremacy and capitalism, she attempts to put forward an Africa-centered agenda for Black revolution that is woefully ig norant of the political economy that destroys both Africans and Americans and, for that matter, the diversity of the culture of the diaspora.

No one should hesitate from pulling out all the stops to oppose such retrogressive ideas, even at the risk of bei ng proclaimed an "Uncle Tom" or a race traitor.
 

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Homoesexuals have continuously worked as agents for the white man against black people. White supremacists have used homosexuals against black people and because homosexuals are an alienated group they will always be agents against black people. Black homosexuals are a population control agenda which is why leaders in America are more concerned about the treatment of homosexuals overseas then they are the starving children that could easily be fed and treated. Alienating homosexuals is necessary because sadly happily accepting them into the ranks will only come back to bite black organizations as these homos become moles for white supremacists. Ultimately the issue is with white supremacists not homosexuals. Black people just have to be aware that they are tools for white supremacy.
 

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Homoesexuals have continuously worked as agents for the white man against black people. White supremacists have used homosexuals against black people and because homosexuals are an alienated group they will always be agents against black people. Black homosexuals are a population control agenda which is why leaders in America are more concerned about the treatment of homosexuals overseas then they are the starving children that could easily be fed and treated. Alienating homosexuals is necessary because sadly happily accepting them into the ranks will only come back to bite black organizations as these homos become moles for white supremacists. Ultimately the issue is with white supremacists not homosexuals. Black people just have to be aware that they are tools for white supremacy.
but there were gay writers during the Harlem renissance.
 

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What really becomes evident for me is that one of the things that people have held on to from the Black Power movement is the regressive attitudes towards gender and sexuality that some of the more extreme voices communicated, particularly the idea that homosexuality is counterrevolutionary and a product of Western white culture. That sort of stuff is understandable, not defensible, in a 1960s and '70s context. In a contemporary context, it's downright stupid, on par with a belief in reptilians.

Also it's worth stating that Frances Cress Welsing bases much of her analysis on outdated thoughts on psychology and is flawed right from the get-go.
 

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but there were gay writers during the Harlem renissance.
There were

Ok, so. White man still loves to hire the effeminate black man to oversee black people. Love a smiling black man thats soft an moist at the office. Personally i dont think black people are really into beating up on fakkits like that. I believe we just recognize what they are. Kids without fathers and agents and as fathers we definately INSTINCTIVELY do not want them around our children. Welsing, as an elder knows what shes talking about and i personally can see the correlations in her data. Some people are just gay though and obviously have a bias that rampant homosexuality among black people is meaningless even though it comes purely from european influence. Still, the problem is the cacs, not the homos. They can be eradicated by simply being a strong father, to your child, keeping them away from predators.
 

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In a contemporary context, it's downright stupid, on par with a belief in reptilians.
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you took this thought way too far right here.

Not much has changed since the 70's -- so why would the subculture of Afrocentrism have changed drastically on this issue??
Nothing is different except more people have been conditioned to accept homosexuality as normal, as compared to before; with black people being the least accepting By far.

Like you said understandable, not defensible. And Francis Welsing is a good scholar... her research isn't outdated, just debatable. ... in that field hardly anything is fact.

If homosexuality is something that could be used as a tool -would most people guess it to be used as a tool against or for white supremacy??--- considering that some of the goals of white supremacy are more easily reached with increased levels of male homosexuality within a community? what do you think?
 

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:beli:

you took this thought way too far right here.

Not much has changed since the 70's -- so why would the subculture of Afrocentrism have changed drastically on this issue??
Nothing is different except more people have been conditioned to accept homosexuality as normal, as compared to before; with black people being the least accepting By far.

Like you said understandable, not defensible. And Francis Welsing is a good scholar... her research isn't outdated, just debatable. ... in that field hardly anything is fact.

If homosexuality is something that could be used as a tool -would most people guess it to be used as a tool against or for white supremacy??--- considering that some of the goals of white supremacy are more easily reached with increased levels of male homosexuality within a community? what do you think?

I think the general discourse around sexuality has changed since the 1970s, more in some aspects than others.

Welsing is not a good scholar. She's relying on Freudian psychoanalysis to drive her points. No contemporary psychologist worth their degree views Freud as anything else but an historical marker. Additionally, I specifically brought up reptilians because the connections Welsing makes follow the same logic as conspiracy theories. Go look at one of those sites that analyzes music videos based on Illuminati conspiracies, where a covered eye is meant to represent a secret society or whatever. Not very far off from Welsing claiming that chocolate-covered nuts represent Black men's testicles being ingested by white men. It's a concern with symbols and loose threads.

And I think that Welsing's logic just reflects the logic of white heterosexual male culture, which is very much still concerned with masculinity and resisting feminization, as well as viewing homosexuality as an aberration. It's far from being the revolutionary stance it's presented as. I guarantee that the ideas Welsing wrote about have their equivalent within white supremacist writing.
 

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Ok, so. White man still loves to hire the effeminate black man to oversee black people. Love a smiling black man thats soft an moist at the office. Personally i dont think black people are really into beating up on fakkits like that. I believe we just recognize what they are. Kids without fathers and agents and as fathers we definately INSTINCTIVELY do not want them around our children. Welsing, as an elder knows what shes talking about and i personally can see the correlations in her data. Some people are just gay though and obviously have a bias that rampant homosexuality among black people is meaningless even though it comes purely from european influence. Still, the problem is the cacs, not the homos. They can be eradicated by simply being a strong father, to your child, keeping them away from predators.
You have GOT to stop saying that, cause it IS NOT true.

When Europeans came to colonize most places they OUTLAWED homosexuality. Like even if it was already frowned upon.

The victorian era was NOT with that shyt.

The notino that "whites" brough homosexuality is just a falsehood used to add to the efforts by native africans to shed their colonial pasts.

Its just not true.
 

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I think the general discourse around sexuality has changed since the 1970s, more in some aspects than others.

Welsing is not a good scholar. She's relying on Freudian psychoanalysis to drive her points. No contemporary psychologist worth their degree views Freud as anything else but an historical marker. Additionally, I specifically brought up reptilians because the connections Welsing makes follow the same logic as conspiracy theories. Go look at one of those sites that analyzes music videos based on Illuminati conspiracies, where a covered eye is meant to represent a secret society or whatever. Not very far off from Welsing claiming that chocolate-covered nuts represent Black men's testicles being ingested by white men. It's a concern with symbols and loose threads.

And I think that Welsing's logic just reflects the logic of white heterosexual male culture, which is very much still concerned with masculinity and resisting feminization, as well as viewing homosexuality as an aberration. It's far from being the revolutionary stance it's presented as. I guarantee that the ideas Welsing wrote about have their equivalent within white supremacist writing.
Her downright MAGICAL views on melanin make her incredibly unreliable in my eyes as well.
 

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You have GOT to stop saying that, cause it IS NOT true.

When Europeans came to colonize most places they OUTLAWED homosexuality. Like even if it was already frowned upon.

The victorian era was NOT with that shyt.

The notino that "whites" brough homosexuality is just a falsehood used to add to the efforts by native africans to shed their colonial pasts.

Its just not true.
Whites Promote homoesexuality.
 

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Whites Promote homoesexuality.

False.

Lets be real about homosexuality in the west.

It was legal in the US WAY before most of Europe in the 20th century.

They were putting dudes in jail in England up to the fukking 80s.

JAIL.

Yes. There are more white people, and yes, there are more progressive white people than other demograpics, but to say its a "white" thing is just NOT supported on any measure.
 

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False.

Lets be real about homosexuality in the west.

It was legal in the US WAY before most of Europe in the 20th century.

They were putting dudes in jail in England up to the fukking 80s.

JAIL.

Yes. There are more white people, and yes, there are more progressive white people than other demograpics, but to say its a "white" thing is just NOT supported on any measure.
Its a white thing. Cacs are at the forefront of all homosexual movements locally and abroad. Their spiritual institution rapes little boys which is passed on as a tradition in local churches. They will let children starve if nations dont promote homosexuality. They made the decision to teach kids that homosexuality is ok at the elementary level. If you've ever read Greek philosophy, you've read how they go on an on about the power of homosexual relationships among men and how homosexual armies are stronger then heterosexual armies due to the bonds formed when men fukk each other and fight together. Whites have made it Policy to push homosexuality as a form of population control to non-whites. Yes, its very much a white thing. You can find it among every race but whites are the ones who actively promote it as a progressive movement, around the planet to the detriment of non-white people, and sadly, themselves.
 

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I think the general discourse around sexuality has changed since the 1970s, more in some aspects than others.

Welsing is not a good scholar. She's relying on Freudian psychoanalysis to drive her points. No contemporary psychologist worth their degree views Freud as anything else but an historical marker. Additionally, I specifically brought up reptilians because the connections Welsing makes follow the same logic as conspiracy theories. Go look at one of those sites that analyzes music videos based on Illuminati conspiracies, where a covered eye is meant to represent a secret society or whatever. Not very far off from Welsing claiming that chocolate-covered nuts represent Black men's testicles being ingested by white men. It's a concern with symbols and loose threads.

And I think that Welsing's logic just reflects the logic of white heterosexual male culture, which is very much still concerned with masculinity and resisting feminization, as well as viewing homosexuality as an aberration. It's far from being the revolutionary stance it's presented as. I guarantee that the ideas Welsing wrote about have their equivalent within white supremacist writing.
Name one legitimate black 'scholar' .....That someone couldn't pick apart.


and there is no blanket resentment of feminization within afrocentrism.... Understand that the resentment is when it affects the males - and the reason is because lack of real men is a plague.
 

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Its a white thing. Cacs are at the forefront of all homosexual movements locally and abroad. Their spiritual institution rapes little boys which is passed on as a tradition in local churches. They will let children starve if nations dont promote homosexuality. They made the decision to teach kids that homosexuality is ok at the elementary level. If you've ever read Greek philosophy, you've read how they go on an on about the power of homosexual relationships among men and how homosexual armies are stronger then heterosexual armies due to the bonds formed when men fukk each other and fight together. Whites have made it Policy to push homosexuality as a form of population control to non-whites. Yes, its very much a white thing. You can find it among every race but whites are the ones who actively promote it as a progressive movement, around the planet to the detriment of non-white people, and sadly, themselves.

First of all, no one promote homosexuality.

No one.

People are promoting THEIR RIGHT TO EXIST FREE FROM PUNISHMENT.

In most African and many asian countries, homosexuality is illegal. So fukk those nations.

There is NO NEED to punish individuals who engage in ADULT CONSENUAL SEX.
 
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