After coming up on this Macbook Pro... Macs > PC's

[yseJ]

No. You said that Macs weren't good for programming.

I said that for MY purposes they are not AS good for programming as most linux flavors or solaris
Ive never said they werent good for programming in general. linux is just better and down to the point.

you are twisting my words now, good job

And now this has become about "system programming"? Oh and do you want to reference some specific networking tools that are exclusive to solaris and linux?

it has always been about systems and network programming, because thats mainly what I do.

someone has an opinion that differs from yours and they brought facts. why does that upset you?

I brought facts too, what bothers me is you trying to make assumptions and twist my words.

again, I give you nearly any linux binary you wont be able to run it on your mac without recompiling it, thats a fact.

osx is a system designed to be a user desktop system, built on top of unix.

linux flavors and solaris are designed to be managing and server systems first and foremost, thats why their UIs are ages behind osx.

 

[yseJ]

I don't know about that programming stuff but video and audio doesn't matter what OS you use.

it never really did. windows pcs had that issue where you had to switch to asio drivers but I think that one is gone for now, so even out of the box its pretty much the same

cant say much for video never bothered with it, whereas audio I was in the studio for a good few sessions, working both macs and windows machines

 

[ryderldb]

Anybody with a mac use boot camp? Is it even functional enough to use?

 

[StatUS]

Ya I know. Apple kind of fukked up with Final Cut Pro with the latest update. But the pro's are still cutting on it. Avid still holds ground as #1 and pretty much always will. I couldn't tell you what hardware Avid users prefer to cut on though. Media Composer is available for OS X too.

Premiere Pro has yet to have a big budget motion pic cut on it from A to Z (lower budget and some parts of big budget). Adobe is trying though and it's getting better and better. Though it is available on OS X, Adobe is trying to stare it's Premiere/After Effects customers towards HP Workstations. If they can get them to invest in PC hardware they are less likely to go back to Final Cut Pro because they'd have to buy Macs all over again.

As far as Audio editing I think it just comes down to hardware preference. And by the looks of most video/pics coming out of studios that preference is Apple hardware.

Depends. If the studio is running a Notebook and System setup with Pro Tools then it'll probably run on OSX with Logic as an extra. But alot of studios go with PC because they are easier to maintain and upgrade. Especially for customization which isn't easy to do on Macs.

Electronic producers have moved towards mac but composers and people like that mostly use pc. But they all work the same and can do the same things.

But there's this whole culture thing that Macs are made for the arts and shyt like that. So that works in Apple's favor too.

 

[Ayo]

linux flavors and solaris are designed to be managing and server systems first and foremost, thats why their UIs are ages behind osx.

I'm still failing to see what I can't do on OS X with Terminal and SSH that you can do on Linux.

NOTHING.

I can't think of a router/switch/server/hub/bridge/whateverelseyouwanttosay that can't be managed from Terminal using SSH. Give me a networking tool, a command, anything to prove your point.

If you're going to make the argument that the lightweight OS is more efficient because it doesn't have the heavy graphical elements of the UI then I might listen to you.

I taught both Network+ prep night classes and I was a Cisco Netacad certified teacher. Both preached a vendor agnostic** approach when it came to OS's.

**When is the last time you took a look at the OSI Model?

 

[Ayo]

But there's this whole culture thing that Macs are made for the arts and shyt like that. So that works in Apple's favor too.

Ya Apple took it and ran with it.

 

[Ayo]

@yseJ

Last comment before I go to bed.

Linux is better as a server for obvious reasons. Apache is the open source champion right now and the majority of sites are developed using a LAMP environment. Also it can be more efficient when the UI elements are stripped out. Thats the only thing I'll admit to. But then again you'll have Windows fanboys saying that the IIS server is just as efficient even though it has a GUI.

I just can't agree with the other stuff you said though. Give me a Macbook Pro running OS X to program/develop/troubleshoot/run network diagnostics in any day.

 

[Why-Fi]

Anybody with a mac use boot camp? Is it even functional enough to use?

yes its fully functional. i game like a mad man on my windows boot

 

[The Bilingual Gringo]

Anybody with a mac use boot camp? Is it even functional enough to use?

Used it all of the time to log into work remotely, but then I accidentally did an upgrade and as it was a bootleg version of windows, no more.

But I love having the best of both worlds. I'll be going to a desktop and a tablet sometime this year and dumping my laptop, can't wait to dual boot.

 

[N-DUB]

Where can I get a Mac Book Pro for a decent price?

 

[Czerka]

the macbook air is the GOAT laptop. the new ones battery runs all day they changed the game again

 

[yseJ]

I'm still failing to see what I can't do on OS X with Terminal and SSH that you can do on Linux.

NOTHING.

I can't think of a router/switch/server/hub/bridge/whateverelseyouwanttosay that can't be managed from Terminal using SSH. Give me a networking tool, a command, anything to prove your point.

If you're going to make the argument that the lightweight OS is more efficient because it doesn't have the heavy graphical elements of the UI then I might listen to you.

I taught both Network+ prep night classes and I was a Cisco Netacad certified teacher. Both preached a vendor agnostic** approach when it came to OS's.

**When is the last time you took a look at the OSI Model?

first of all, OSI model. yeah Ive never looked at it, considering I did low level socket programming and RPC for a living

second of all, the heavy UI and restrictions on the underlying unix is your answer. theres things that are a command line away on linux that you need to deal with on mac. its the 'out of box' stuff youve talked about except you have to do the basic things. its not really how to customize your apache/tomcat/iis or whatever...its more like simple tasks/utils arent compatible

something simple as a root apt-get install wireshark will be complicated due to incompatibility and other complications. as a matter of fact, is there even apt for osx ?

from shyt that I do, one utility that definitely doesnt work on osx:
nicstat. great utility for performance of your nic

linux is widely accepted as the best programming platform. you can always have a linux machine as a server node without much overhead.

some of its flavors like backtrack have pre-set platform for all kinds of network analyzing tools and you dont have to deal with user UI bullshyt

osx is a consumer os built on unix. being that its unix its obviously good but its not anywhere as catered to programming as linux (again, linux is open source lol)

 

[Jone2three45]

Anybody with a mac use boot camp? Is it even functional enough to use?

I have windows 7 and 8 on bootcamp,
Works like a charm.

 

[yseJ]

@yseJ

Last comment before I go to bed.

Linux is better as a server for obvious reasons. Apache is the open source champion right now and the majority of sites are developed using a LAMP environment. Also it can be more efficient when the UI elements are stripped out. Thats the only thing I'll admit to. But then again you'll have Windows fanboys saying that the IIS server is just as efficient even though it has a GUI.

I just can't agree with the other stuff you said though. Give me a Macbook Pro running OS X to program/develop/troubleshoot/run network diagnostics in any day.

apache/iis ?
breh
Im not talking about WEB servers.

I'm mostly a C programmer (hence systems/network programmer). while I can (and do) occasionally do something in php or write a servlet that integrates with databases...I mostly do low level stuff.

Im that guy who would write you a raw socket, spoof a packet and fukk up your wireless connection...before it became mainstream

iis is trash tho.

for big-name web servers its almost irrelevant what system you run it on...
apache/tomcat/cassandra run fine on windows linux or osx...although for load balancing/seed node Id still do linux

 

[ryderldb]

I have windows 7 and 8 on bootcamp,
Works like a charm.

Used it all of the time to log into work remotely, but then I accidentally did an upgrade and as it was a bootleg version of windows, no more.

But I love having the best of both worlds. I'll be going to a desktop and a tablet sometime this year and dumping my laptop, can't wait to dual boot.

yes its fully functional. i game like a mad man on my windows boot

Thanks breh. Time for that macbook