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Serious question. You really don’t like swag surfing? Do people really not like that song?

Even if you don’t like it do you understand why it’s considered classic and a timeless record by the culture?
I can tolerate it at events but I would never ever play that song in the car. Might as well play Mykko Montana and Shop Boyz too
 

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What I'm seeing is people find it cool talk down on music that they don't like, but find terms like dated is an insult to music that they do like. How is that even consistent? Can we really have a mature discussion about music if people aren't open to accepting that something can be dated and still be dope or classic and that music you don't like can be classic too even if you aren't a fan of that particular sound or style?

Point being is this whole exchange about "Swag Surfin" as a song. Throw that song on at a function and it gets people on the floor and that song is over a decade old. Does it sound like it's "of its era"? Yes, but it is still a classic song even though it may not sound as good outside of a social setting.
 

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Isn’t swag surfing from the ringtone era?

Play that song anywhere outside and you will get a bigger reaction than anything y’all are calling classic


I can keep going
Breh I was about to bring up this song. And I can’t lie I hated this song when it was out but I actually like it more now over a decade later
:heh:
 

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That doesn’t make it a good song.

Play Crank Dat Soulja Boy and you’ll see everybody hitting that Superman…doesn’t make it a good song.
A lot of people thought that was a good song tho. I never thought it was good either. And part of that was the fact I was in my mid 20s when it was out and it just kinda young to me. But my pops used to say the same shyt about a lot of music I listened to around the house. We consider a lot of that music timeless now
 

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Yup, exactly this. Most stuff that "ages badly" are cheap, pale imitations of trends that might get some burn by sheer proximity to audience taste, but once removed from an environment where that's the hot style, people are able to see all the problems that were always there.
Well said.
 

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Isn’t swag surfing from the ringtone era?

Play that song anywhere outside and you will get a bigger reaction than anything y’all are calling classic


I can keep going
Swag Surfing stuck. Now play the various imitations that rode the wave of Swag Surfing and people will :scusthov: and say its corny. It's because those songs existed solely to chase the trend.

The songs that still resonate today aged well, the ones that dont didn't. That goes for any era.
 

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Swag Surfing stuck. Now play the various imitations that rode the wave of Swag Surfing and people will :scusthov: and say its corny. It's because those songs existed solely to chase the trend.

The songs that still resonate today aged well, the ones that dont didn't. That goes for any era.
What rode the swag surfing wave?
 

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Another good example, I was an early Weeknd fan, like in 2011, was trying to put my friends on, and I went to his tour in 2015, bought the album. Now, at the time, I was pretty on point about the music. Songs like In The Night" As You Are aged well, they still hold up, stuff like the Ed Shheran collab, and Angel, were never good songs to me, but now, sound even worse. Totally forced and obvious collabs
This nikka here is going to tell us how he grew with The Weeknd music
Dated in music actually means something is "old-fashioned" and hasn't stood the test of time well. So if something is considered timeless, it means that regardless of when it dropped, we can play it today without any regard for when it was released, and with no loss of quality or impact.

That's what those terms mean, bro.
This is nonsense
 

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I fux with Jigga but a lot of his catalog aged horribly lol. That's what happens when you're constantly hopping on fads instead of setting trends and actually aiming your energy at trendsetting. Jay-z was hopping on all them Swizz beats and Neptunes beats talkin about button up shirts and rockin S.Dots and cocked fitteds and all that old nasty washed stuff that was only cool at that specific time...ish sounds madd 2002ish. Whereas Kanye, for example, his old music doesn't sound even remotely outdated...his work actually gets better and fresher the older it gets somehow.
 

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I fux with Jigga but a lot of his catalog aged horribly lol. That's what happens when you're constantly hopping on fads instead of setting trends and actually aiming your energy at trendsetting. Jay-z was hopping on all them Swizz beats and Neptunes beats talkin about button up shirts and rockin S.Dots and cocked fitteds and all that old nasty washed stuff that was only cool at that specific time...ish sounds madd 2002ish. Whereas Kanye, for example, his old music doesn't sound even remotely outdated...his work actually gets better and fresher the older it gets somehow.

Thread isn't even about Jay Z.

And yes, Kanye's soul sampling music sounds dated. There's no way you're listening to the first few Kanye albums and immediately not seeing pique polos, throwback jerseys, and those wide-screen Hype Williams joints.
 

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Thread isn't even about Jay Z.

And yes, Kanye's soul sampling music sounds dated. There's no way you're listening to the first few Kanye albums and immediately not seeing pique polos, throwback jerseys, and those wide-screen Hype Williams joints.
I know it's not...I just wanted to throw that out there, lol.

Nahh...Kanye's ish only gets better with time imo, and I'm not a Kanye fan like that. I was listening to the 808s joint recently for the first time...that ish sounds like it was just made to me. Same with one of them other joints, I don't remember which, the one with "Drunk and Hot Girls". Kanye is a futurist tho, at least he claims to be, so makes sense.

Off topic but Kanye should have let Rhymefest and them write his rhymes for his entire career...he was at his best when that was the crew writing.
 
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Nahh..Kanye's ish only gets better with time imo

That's merely subjective. That style of production is definitely dated and again, it's not a bad thing. You hear it and know it's from the mid '00's.

Now something like 808's is different because it was key to Drake forming his style. There's still other artists that are using that sound. To lesser extent Graduation sounds like now because some of the music out now still has elements from that album.
 
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