Al-Qaeda Has Rebuilt Itself—With Iran’s Help

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Yeah, how am I wrong dumb ass.

Do me a favor.

Read, actually read the OP. Then line by line, issue your refutation.

I'll earnestly reply.

But you have to do your part.

Mind you, im 10+ years deep in this. So...respond wisely.

 

[JoWinah]

Wrong.

Iran works with anyone who is anti western.

Get this notion of "Shias not working with sunni's" out of your head.

What happened to that country in 1953?

 

[David_TheMan]

Do me a favor.

Read, actually read the OP. Then line by line, issue your refutation.

I'll earnestly reply.

But you have to do your part.

Mind you, im 10+ years deep in this. So...respond wisely.

Your article is bullshyt, we know its bullshyt because its documented that Al Queda was a US creation to its very name.
How the US Helped Create Al Qaeda and ISIS

Lest we forget, the CIA gave birth to Osama Bin Laden and breastfed his organization during the 1980′s. Former British Foreign Secretary, Robin Cook, told the House of Commons that Al Qaeda was unquestionably a product of Western intelligence agencies. Mr. Cook explained that Al Qaeda, which literally means an abbreviation of “the database” in Arabic, was originally the computer database of the thousands of Islamist extremists, who were trained by the CIA and funded by the Saudis, in order to defeat the Russians in Afghanistan.

America’s relationship with Al Qaeda has always been a love-hate affair. Depending on whether a particular Al Qaeda terrorist group in a given region furthers American interests or not, the U.S. State Department either funds or aggressively targets that terrorist group. Even as American foreign policy makers claim to oppose Muslim extremism, they knowingly foment it as a weapon of foreign policy.

This is documented fact, so to try to claim Iran was always backing Al Qeada, a sunni sect, when Iran is Shiite is a contention so stupid only a idiot would believe it.

So for the 3rd time I ask you, what am I wrong about regarding Iran and al-qeada?
You seemed to repeatedly post hezbollah leaders and refer to the group as if it makes your point and hezbollah is some how sunni and not Shiite.

 

[ZoeGod]

Iran is in Syria fighting Al Nusra aka Al Qaeda in Syria. Makes no sense they would help al Qaeda central in Afghanistan while fighting their Syrian affiliate and a lesser extent their Yemeni affiliate through the Houthis. Only neocons who want war with Iran believe this.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Iran is in Syria fighting Al Nusra aka Al Qaeda in Syria. Makes no sense they would help al Qaeda central in Afghanistan while fighting their Syrian affiliate and a lesser extent their Yemeni affiliate through the Houthis. Only neocons who want war with Iran believe this.

Again, this is relevant to a particular period of time.

Mind you, Bin Laden's family was being offered up to the USA in 2003 and the USA refused because iran wouldn't concede other things.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Your article is bullshyt, we know its bullshyt because its documented that Al Queda was a US creation to its very name.
How the US Helped Create Al Qaeda and ISIS


This is documented fact, so to try to claim Iran was always backing Al Qeada, a sunni sect, when Iran is Shiite is a contention so stupid only a idiot would believe it.

So for the 3rd time I ask you, what am I wrong about regarding Iran and al-qeada?
You seemed to repeatedly post hezbollah leaders and refer to the group as if it makes your point and hezbollah is some how sunni and not Shiite.

This is still bullshyt.



Iran uses anti-western sentiment and connections to make in roads.

We've known this since Bin Laden went to Sudan in 1992 and made connections with guys like Imad Mughniyeh.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

What happened to that country in 1953?

We overthrew the government.

Not sure what that has to do with Iran's ties with Al Qaeda.

I dont know why this is so hard for some of you all to believe.

China and Russia don't particularly love each other, but they have common enemies .

Just like how Soviet Russia didn't love Palestinians like that, but they funded them to undermine Israeli connections to the west.

Some of yall need to read more and stop seeing things in black and white.

Venezuela has ties with Iran right now via Hezbollah.

Not everything is just "OMG THE USA SUX"

 

[David_TheMan]

This is still bullshyt.



Iran uses anti-western sentiment and connections to make in roads.

We've known this since Bin Laden went to Sudan in 1992 and made connections with guys like Imad Mughniyeh.

LOL
Yes its bullshyt and CIA making claims that are lies won't save your dumb ass.
Iran isn't working and funding Sunni extremist groups that would kill them and fellow shiites if they don't convert.
They aren't putting money and resources into groups that everyone knows are linked to the US, UK, House of Saud, and Israelis.

The US government knows they have dumbasses like yourself that will literally repeat any nonsense they throw out, such as trying to claim IRan is the main backer of Al Qeada. I mean look at you, you literally tried to act like Hezbollah was some how the same as Al-Qeada, probably didn't even know they are a shiite group until I posted in this thread. SMh

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Iran isn't working and funding Sunni extremist groups that would kill them and fellow shiites if they don't convert.

Khobar Towers.

The US government knows they have dumbasses like yourself that will literally repeat any nonsense they throw out, such as trying to claim IRan is the main backer of Al Qeada.

Show me where I said "main backer"

I did not.

I would not.

I will not.

I said Iran HELPS and HAS HELPED senior leadership in Al Qaeda.

Same way Russia HELPED senior leadership of Al Qaeda. (google Ayman Al-Zawahiri)

 

[David_TheMan]

Khobar Towers.

Show me where I said "main backer"

I did not.

I would not.

I will not.

I said Iran HELPS and HAS HELPED senior leadership in Al Qaeda.

Same way Russia HELPED senior leadership of Al Qaeda. (google Ayman Al-Zawahiri)

What about Khobar towers, either Al - Qeada did it or Hezbollah did it, not both operating together, which would have to be what you are trying to argue, for it to have any relevance in this convo.

Iran isn't a main backer or a partial backer.
Al Qeada doesn't need any Iranian help, they have plenty Saudi and US help.
Russia helped Al-Qaeda, present proof.
There is more proof of the US aiding, training, weaponizing and guiding Al Qeada than any other nation on this earth outside of Saudi

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

What about Khobar towers, either Al - Qeada did it or Hezbollah did it, not both operating together, which would have to be what you are trying to argue, for it to have any relevance in this convo.

Iran isn't a main backer or a partial backer.

Al Qaeda was the face.

Hezbollah was the backing.

They cooperated.

Iran is a partial backer.

There is proof. Its been known for close to 30 years.

This is from 1998. READ THE DETAILS OF THE ARTICLE NOT JUST THE TITLE. PAY ATTENTION TO THE SUDAN TIES. Bin Laden was living in Sudan in the early 90s and made connections with Iranians including infamous names like Imad Mughniyeh: U.S. Says Bin Laden Aide Tried to Get Nuclear Material

Read this as well. IN DEPTH. Iranian Minister Honors Al-Qaeda Mentor, Hezbollah's Imad Mugniyah

I'm being earnest with you and giving you sources of information. Read the source material. Read the citations. Read the authors other works. Get deep into this.

Dude. I really wish you'd just open your mind to how actual terrorists work. Go look at Carlos the Jackal. Things are a lot murkier than they appear.

Al Qeada doesn't need any Iranian help, they have plenty Saudi and US help.

Again. Wrong. Iran housed members of Bin Laden's family AND refused to stamp the passports of 9/11 hijackers traveling through Iran.

Look it up. I'm not making this shyt up to just fukk with you.

Russia helped Al-Qaeda, present proof.
There is more proof of the US aiding, training, weaponizing and guiding Al Qeada than any other nation on this earth outside of Saudi

http://www.businessinsider.com/exploring-al-qaedas-murky-connection-to-russian-intelligence-2014-6

 

[David_TheMan]

Al Qaeda was the face.

Hezbollah was the backing.

They cooperated.

Iran is a partial backer.

There is proof. Its been known for close to 30 years.

This is from 1998. READ THE DETAILS OF THE ARTICLE NOT JUST THE TITLE. PAY ATTENTION TO THE SUDAN TIES. Bin Laden was living in Sudan in the early 90s and made connections with Iranians including infamous names like Imad Mughniyeh: U.S. Says Bin Laden Aide Tried to Get Nuclear Material

Read this as well. IN DEPTH. Iranian Minister Honors Al-Qaeda Mentor, Hezbollah's Imad Mugniyah

I'm being earnest with you and giving you sources of information. Read the source material. Read the citations. Read the authors other works. Get deep into this.

Dude. I really wish you'd just open your mind to how actual terrorists work. Go look at Carlos the Jackal. Things are a lot murkier than they appear.

Again. Wrong. Iran housed members of Bin Laden's family AND refused to stamp the passports of 9/11 hijackers traveling through Iran.

Look it up. I'm not making this shyt up to just fukk with you.

http://www.businessinsider.com/exploring-al-qaedas-murky-connection-to-russian-intelligence-2014-6

Al Qeada was the face, even though in court the US government claimed it was all Hezbollah and Iran huh? LOL

Also your link provides no proof at all for the claim, it literally says sources say, and doesn't point to any people, any conversation, nothing, just an allegation from a source they claim they don't know if he is still in the organization. LOL

Iran having ties to Hezbollah is no secret, you keep posting it like it makes your point it doesn't.

You aren't being earnest and you aren't even reading your sources..

LOL

Saudi houses members of Bin Ladin's family, the bush family is close to the bin ladin family, you want to play that game you lose everyday.

You talk about links to 9/11 you ignore that strangely enough the US had an FBI informant under the name Melvin Lattimore, an Al-Qeada operative real name Mujahid Abdulqadir Menepta / Mene who was connected to the first WTC bombing in 93, his credit card was used to buy bomb materials. He housed Timothy McVeigh, and he also housed Zacharius Mossoui the hijacker who didn't go through with the job on 9/11. Yet he only went to jail for minor gun charges, that is the relationship the US has with Al-Qaeda.

LIke I said kid, you have no idea what you are talking about, go try that stupid shyt you spout on some dumb ass kids or something

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Al Qeada was the face, even though in court the US government claimed it was all Hezbollah and Iran huh? LOL

Do you realize the US Assassinated Mughniyeh in 2008 BECAUSE of his ties to Al Qaeda? And the Marine bombings?

Also your link provides no proof at all for the claim, it literally says sources say, and doesn't point to any people, any conversation, nothing, just an allegation from a source they claim they don't know if he is still in the organization. LOL

You didn't read the articles.

Try again.

There are sources proving the meetings in 1992 occurred.

Again, this should be widely known if you remotely study bin laden.

He was in Sudan in 1992.

Do you realize this?

Heres the article:


Anti-Soviet warrior puts his army on the road to peace: The Saudi

Iran having ties to Hezbollah is no secret, you keep posting it like it makes your point it doesn't.

This is stupid. I didn't claim this was relevatory. I said that Hezbollah made connections with al Qaeda factions.

Remember this.

Sunni governments don't like Al Qaeda either.

You will have dissidents, but al Qaeda is persona non grata officially in Saudi Arabia.

Saudi houses members of Bin Ladin's family, the bush family is close to the bin ladin family, you want to play that game you lose everyday.

So?

Its about power and influence.

Bin Laden is a huge construction family.

I'm talking specifically about Osama and his ties.

Of course there was overlap. Why wouldn't there be?

You talk about links to 9/11 you ignore that strangely enough the US had an FBI informant under the name Melvin Lattimore, an Al-Qeada operative real name Mujahid Abdulqadir Menepta / Mene who was connected to the first WTC bombing in 93, his credit card was used to buy bomb materials. He housed Timothy McVeigh, and he also housed Zacharius Mossoui the hijacker who didn't go through with the job on 9/11. Yet he only went to jail for minor gun charges, that is the relationship the US has with Al-Qaeda.

LIke I said kid, you have no idea what you are talking about, go try that stupid shyt you spout on some dumb ass kids or something

Lets talk about informants

Ali Mohamed - Wikipedia

 

[David_TheMan]

Do you realize the US Assassinated Mughniyeh in 2008 BECAUSE of his ties to Al Qaeda? And the Marine bombings?


You didn't read the articles.

Try again.

There are sources proving the meetings in 1992 occurred.

Again, this should be widely known if you remotely study bin laden.

He was in Sudan in 1992.

Do you realize this?

Heres the article:


Anti-Soviet warrior puts his army on the road to peace: The Saudi

This is stupid. I didn't claim this was relevatory. I said that Hezbollah made connections with al Qaeda factions.

Remember this.

Sunni governments don't like Al Qaeda either.

You will have dissidents, but al Qaeda is persona non grata officially in Saudi Arabia.



So?

Its about power and influence.

Bin Laden is a huge construction family.

I'm talking specifically about Osama and his ties.

Of course there was overlap. Why wouldn't there be?


Lets talk about informants

Ali Mohamed - Wikipedia

You literally throw shyt out like it changes that your initial claim makes no sense and is false. LOL
I read your article and again it shows no proof just mentions an allegation, saying Bin Laden operated in Sudan, isn't proof of Iran ties, you seem unable to comprehend that.

Yes you keep claiming Hezbollah as if it makes your point, it doesn't, and the fact is that the US when it prosecuted the Khomer bombing choose to claim it was all Hezbollah and Iran, against your claim that Hezbollah and Al-Qeada operated jointly.

I only brought up relationships because you literally tried to claim now that 9/11 bombers were acting with help from Iran, something even the US government did not claim, in fact there was more info linking 9/11 hijackers to Saudi Arabia than Iran, but for a dumb ass like yourself you ignore this, your chickenhawks told you to start yapping about evil Iran so thats what you do.

You can talk about informants all you want, trying to deflect like usual when you have nothing to actually say or any relevant information to actually bring to the convo.

 

[Strapped]

Y'al need to report this bs thread to the bushes