Alchemist and 9th Wonder have messages for Nas...

[Piff Perkins]

I've never liked 9th's drums but outside of that he's dope. He has kinda changed recently now that he has more musicians to re-create samples for him. His shyt sounds lush.

 

[TheDarceKnight]

Producers fall off when their signature style gets stale and they can't switch up. It has happened to every producer who has made more than five songs that are deemed classic.

Which is why you have to give props to guys like Pharrell who have stayed relevant over multiple decades.

To be fair, a lot of that is on the audience. Something could get stale to one pair of ears but not another.

Also, not all producers want to grow or change their style. Premier and 9th are good examples. They know people go to them for their signature sound, and changing that drastically A could be a problem for them financially, B people might say they fell off anyways by changing their style, and C it's not in their heart. They both have stated they don't change their style because what they do is what they enjoy and what's in their heart. 9th loves chopping soul and I don't see him going through a prog rock sample phase anytime soon.

Other producers like Alchemist, RZA, Dilla, and Just Blaze (just to name a few) have experimented with different styles and tried to grow their sound, organically, going with what they felt like doing. I'd argue RZA didn't do the best job. I'd argue that Alchemist did it well. Just Blaze was always great at switching styles. Dilla heads can tell you what year a beat was made just by hearing it. He changed his sound and experimented so fukking many times.

 

[Hardaway]

if 9th would've saved his best beats more and put less work out with randoms he could've been bigger

 

[SirBiatch]

That's an external factor, they haven't actually lost their ability the audience has just gotten more fickle and can't enjoy the same great music(If it ain't broke don't fix it not everything needs an evolution). This isn't sports yeah I agree after a certain age rappers won't have as much energy or the breath control but a producer is behind the scenes in a studio unless they lose the loss of their arms or have progressive hearing loss I can't see them losing their prime unless you're talking about DJing.

It's a combination of external and internal. Like I said, all artists have primes. And what makes a producer is the ear and vision/ideas. They contribute their best ideas in a certain time frame, and others take those ideas and run with them (usually to make new cliche bullshyt). Which makes it harder for the original producer to stand out because others are diluting his/her shyt. Or in the rare occasion, taking that producer's sound to the next level and the original producer, for whatever reason, can't keep up.

 

[Pseudo]

Nas is deaf..

That explains his beat selection.

 

[thelonious21]

I said this a few years ago.
I hope Nasir and Salaam get into a fight and are never able to come to an agreement again and only have a personal friendship and that's only because of past dealings

 

[TheDarceKnight]

if 9th would've saved his best beats more and put less work out with randoms he could've been bigger

You think he got overexposed? There's an argument there, for sure. Phonte and Pooh stated pretty openly that one of the reasons Little Brother became just the 2 of them is because they started feeling like it wasn't as special to have an album full of 9th beats when Murs, Skyzoo, Buckshot, Jean Grae, and Ness were doing entire full albums with 9th.

I've never liked 9th's drums but outside of that he's dope. He has kinda changed recently now that he has more musicians to re-create samples for him. His shyt sounds lush.

I'm guessing you're probably talking about E. Jones. Dude is slept on like a motherfukker. God damn E. Jones has some heat, and is NEVER talked about on The Coli. He is on the Soul Council and started doing a lot of keys and live instrumentation on some of 9th's beats a few years ago. He's also a dope rapper (and ghostwriter on the low.)

Spoiler

 

[Cynic]

I'd rather hear Cole on those beats to be honest...especially that last one

 

[Sound (∀√a) Maths]

I've never liked 9th's drums but outside of that he's dope. He has kinda changed recently now that he has more musicians to re-create samples for him. His shyt sounds lush.

Yeah 9th's drum choices are garbage. He doesn't treat them.

 

[JayBaldacci]

I said this a few years ago.
I hope Nasir and Salaam get into a fight and are never able to come to an agreement again and only have a personal friendship and that's only because of past dealings


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i don't think salaam is a top notch producer or anything, but i think he gets nas' style more than any other producers since illmatic

 

[KangCraSS]

Maaaan Nas need to quit bullshytin and just have Large Pro and Premo do the bulk of production.

 

[Supa]

He could get one track each for Extra P, Primo, and Pete Rock just to keep with tradition.

Personally I think the best thing for him musically is to go with an updated sound. So get some Madlib and no one's mentioned him but I'd love to hear Nas over some FlyLo. Not the spacier, electronic stuff but the soulful, laid back music. Get Thundercat on bass

Madlib and Flyo have more diverse styles. Listening to 9th, Pete, Alc, etc can get a little monotonous. That last Pete beat tape was. I like more instrumentation.

He won't do any of this and it'll be more bland Salaam Remi.

 

[iLLusoYuN_Da_Adidas_King]

All of covert coupe in some dimension were NaS instrumentals... smh.

 

[Hardaway]

You think he got overexposed? There's an argument there, for sure. Phonte and Pooh stated pretty openly that one of the reasons Little Brother became just the 2 of them is because they started feeling like it wasn't as special to have an album full of 9th beats when Murs, Skyzoo, Buckshot, Jean Grae, and Ness were doing entire full albums with 9th.

yeah if u put together the top 20 9th beats they would be competitive with any sampling producer but no one's gonna make that list cuz he got hundreds of songs with artists no one cares about and thousands of unmixed instrumentals thrown out there

 

[iLLusoYuN_Da_Adidas_King]

9th wonder is never getting a Nas placement.