Alchemist has consistently improved his craft over the years more than any producer in Hip-Hop history.

[Heavy_Handz]

Rza wasnt making good beats yet supreme clientele is a classic with rza beats that set the trend of hip hop production for atleast 5 years in commercial game and 20+ in ug.

And al drops 3 albums a year with 4 good songs each.

Yet you gon say alchemist is making hot albums with action bronson and some other fukkin wack flavor of the month

Rza made 7 classics in 4 years then released 30 albums between forever snd supreme in 3. And he still produced 10%. Rza didnt even fall off til 02 and even then was dropping classics. Foh

RZA fell off after Wu-Tang Forever. That Bobby Digital was some trash. He was not producing hot records anymore. I’m not saying RZA never made another good beat. I’m saying he was consistently making bad beats! Alchemist has been a better producer than RZA for nearly 25 years! I will never take away RZA’s monumental impact on Hip-Hop during that initial 5 year run. Alchemist can never stake claim to that sort of impact. I’m just talking latter part of RZA’s career he has fallen off big time whereas Alchemist has continued to produce so many amazing records it’s amazing.

 

[Heavy_Handz]

Alchemist shouted you out @Awesome Wells

 

[Awesome Wells]

Alchemist shouted you out @Awesome Wells

You peeped that, right?!?

That's what I was try’na tell cats on here that time we all chopped it up. That sh*t is code. ALC knows what it is.

 

[3rdWorld]

Bro all those beats were stripped snd reworked and mixed by rza. They sound that way because of him.

Your just thinkibg because he gives credit to motherfukkers that people are producing it. They made beats. Rza produced supreme clientele. Thats why hes on the front of the source with ghost in the issue about it lmao

shytting on rza to prop up the white boy. The coli dot dot dot com

The Rza was producing beyond the main Wu members.
Alc is just ok, but I long noticed how he was constantly heralded and it was clear it was because he was White. Same as Em.

 

[Heavy_Handz]

The Rza was producing beyond the main Wu members.
Alc is just ok, but I long noticed how he was constantly heralded and it was clear it was because he was White. Same as Em.

Bogus as hell. This dude produced Keep It Thoro, We Gonna Make It, The Realest, The Juks, etc, etc, etc. If you didn’t know he was white you definitely wouldn’t know by his beats. Clown.

 

[mbewane]

I'm a Alc fan but I can't lie, while he's very consistent and dope not many of his beats make me go DAMN

But he's clearly all the way up there in terms of who's the best producers in the game today. And he's been there for a while.

 

[Sean7]

I'm a Alc fan but I can't lie, while he's very consistent and dope not many of his beats make me go DAMN

But he's clearly all the way up there in terms of who's the best producers in the game today. And he's been there for a while.

Very consistent, early on some of his beats blew me away but as you said now they are SOLID and he stays steady but only a few make me rewind over and over now. I think he had the best beats though on Benny's album as opposed to Hit Boy, showed there is levels to this and he is a notch above the rest out there still to this day for the most part.

 

[Bugzbunny129]

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[Bugzbunny129]

Bogus as hell. This dude produced Keep It Thoro, We Gonna Make It, The Realest, The Juks, etc, etc, etc. If you didn’t know he was white you definitely wouldn’t know by his beats. Clown.

Yea but he cant do a whole album. He cant bro. Its ok. Only the true greats can. He needed Ps guidance

RZA fell off after Wu-Tang Forever. That Bobby Digital was some trash. He was not producing hot records anymore. I’m not saying RZA never made another good beat. I’m saying he was consistently making bad beats! Alchemist has been a better producer than RZA for nearly 25 years! I will never take away RZA’s monumental impact on Hip-Hop during that initial 5 year run. Alchemist can never stake claim to that sort of impact. I’m just talking latter part of RZA’s career he has fallen off big time whereas Alchemist has continued to produce so many amazing records it’s amazing

Hiw did rza fall off after forever when he produced ghost dog in 99 which influenced jdilla and madlib. Who in turn are the fathers of alcs current style?

And sipreme in 2000 that influenced the mainstream for 5 years

Fell off yet hes the only producer of his era to make it on yes shyt in 2010

Fell off yet hes the only producer from that era to work with ALL the youngins.

Rza hasnt been a rap producer in 25 yeats and alc still hasnt touched his run. His albums are pale conpared to rza

I wouldnt even say anything he did is better than second run wu albums

And alchemist NEVER put ANYONE ON

Period.

Never once. No unknowns. He only works with known artists. Rza made everyone he ever worked with a star. Made 50 rappers from zero. Purposley wouldnt work with known artists. Alchemist… against the rza. Ya fukkin smoking dust bro.

fukk outta here geek ass al fans.

 

[Heavy_Handz]

Yea but he cant do a whole album. He cant bro. Its ok. Only the true greats can. He needed Ps guidance




Hiw did rza fall off after forever when he produced ghost dog in 99 which influenced jdilla and madlib. Who in turn are the fathers of alcs current style?

And sipreme in 2000 that influenced the mainstream for 5 years

Fell off yet hes the only producer of his era to make it on yes shyt in 2010

Fell off yet hes the only producer from that era to work with ALL the youngins.

Rza hasnt been a rap producer in 25 yeats and alc still hasnt touched his run. His albums are pale conpared to rza

I wouldnt even say anything he did is better than second run wu albums

And alchemist NEVER put ANYONE ON

Period.

Never once. No unknowns. He only works with known artists. Rza made everyone he ever worked with a star. Made 50 rappers from zero. Purposley wouldnt work with known artists. Alchemist… against the rza. Ya fukkin smoking dust bro.

fukk outta here geek ass al fans.

I said what I said. Read it again & try not putting words in my mouth.

RZA fell off. He has produced wack album after wack album for years.

 

[LOST IN THE SAUCE]

Yea but he cant do a whole album. He cant bro. Its ok. Only the true greats can. He needed Ps guidance




Hiw did rza fall off after forever when he produced ghost dog in 99 which influenced jdilla and madlib. Who in turn are the fathers of alcs current style?

And sipreme in 2000 that influenced the mainstream for 5 years

Fell off yet hes the only producer of his era to make it on yes shyt in 2010

Fell off yet hes the only producer from that era to work with ALL the youngins.

Rza hasnt been a rap producer in 25 yeats and alc still hasnt touched his run. His albums are pale conpared to rza

I wouldnt even say anything he did is better than second run wu albums

And alchemist NEVER put ANYONE ON

Period.

Never once. No unknowns. He only works with known artists. Rza made everyone he ever worked with a star. Made 50 rappers from zero. Purposley wouldnt work with known artists. Alchemist… against the rza. Ya fukkin smoking dust bro.

fukk outta here geek ass al fans.

Ignoring the RZA vs Alc debate, so far you've compared him to RZA, J Dilla and Madlib, and I'm beginning the think you've never heard more than a handful of Alchemist beats. I've never heard anyone even compare him to DIlla let alone call him the father of his style. That is an all the way left field take.

Also, saying he only works with known artists is fukking insane. Alc works with tons of unknowns constantly. He's got a albums with Domo Genesis, Armand Hammer, MIKE and Wiki, Fashawn, Oh No, etc.
Not to mention he was working with Griselda when they were nobodies. He made Boldy James the artist he is. He put these people all the way on, and now they're the biggest names in the (semi)underground.

Seems like you really just made a bunch of shyt up. Weirdo behavior tbh

 

[JustCKing]

His albums are pale conpared to rza

Not only the albums, but ALC himself and I consider ALC a great producer. Only Dre is ahead of RZA IMO. That '95 run alone was ridiculous.

 

[⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐]

There are producers in Europe that are following this model and have showed similar levels of improvement. Masters of craft are always growing and don't stagnate

 

[Supa]

I'm a Alc fan but I can't lie, while he's very consistent and dope not many of his beats make me go DAMN

But he's clearly all the way up there in terms of who's the best producers in the game today. And he's been there for a while.

Yeah he's consistently giving you good beats but not great ones. The bulk of his greatest beats are his old stuff. He knows what works and he sticks to it so he's been able to remain active.

That's also the thing that holds him back. His fully produced albums get a little stale because he's so predictable. I listen to Madvillainy and Bandana and every song has a different vibe or Madlib is pulling samples from everywhere. You don't know what you're getting from track to track. Al uses the same kind of sounds too often. It's a lot of piano loops and prog rock. I don't revisit his albums and play them front to back.

Al doesn't have the albums that Primo, Pete, RZA, Q Tip, Dilla, and Madlib have. They just have a higher ceiling than him. He's absolutely one of the greats. I don't like ranking musicians but Al's resume doesn't hold up to theirs when it comes to fully produced projects.

 

[Regular_P]

Anyone saying Alchemist can't make an entire album needs to listen to My 1st Chemistry Set front to back. Nothing but heat from start to finish.