All those cacalytics Bron stans loved to use back in the Kobe debate days came back round the other way

[DraymondT]

Bron stans loved usin shyt like P/R/A, PER and win share to make argument against Kobe back in the day. Now we seen Jokic, Giannis, SGA have some big seasons above that alot of those cacalytics Jokac flat out beat prime Bron seasons in and those nikkas don't bring up PER and win shares no more

 

[Fanservice]

Maybe it’s just me, but I always thought it was weird to compare players who play different positions

 

[horizon]

The idea that statistics are “cacalytics” is hands down the most ignorant agenda pushed on this sub forum

 

[papa pimp]

The idea that statistics are “cacalytics” is hands down the most ignorant agenda pushed on this sub forum

analytics definitely is a great tool to help understand the game

but the treatment of it (specifically black box catch all advanced metrics) as objective truth is definitely something that came from white majority online basketball spaces….

 

[bigde09]

The idea that statistics are “cacalytics” is hands down the most ignorant agenda pushed on this sub forum

Exactly what a cac would say

 

[Remote]

This genius made a thread about analytics and didn’t post a single advanced metric in that photo other than VORP, which is a counting stat that isn’t all that complex, isn’t predictive, and is prone to large fluctuations from year to year.

Another exhibit in how the vast majority of people who hate stats analysis don’t know anything about it.

 

[Da King]

Kobe stans going out like Drake fakkits ass fans

 

[NYC Rebel]

analytics definitely is a great tool to help understand the game

but the treatment of it (specifically black box catch all advanced metrics) as objective truth is definitely something that came from white majority online basketball spaces….

This…

 

[blackestofpanthers]

LeDahomey sold out black people and allowed cacs to infiltrate just to prop himself up. Who didn’t see this coming

 

[boskey]

Now tell Jokic to do it 20 times

 

[Braman]

Trying to make Bron vs Kobe a thing in 2025 is a sign you need help. Bron passed Kobe a decade ago. Which is why Kobe fans have latched onto MJ When Bron and MJ name gets brought up y’all insert Kobe like it’s some fake ass holy trinity. When MJ wins a debate vs bron y’all somehow think that’s a W for you. Mental illness

As far as the stats, that’s why bron (and mike) are at the top. They’re the only ones that cover EVERY metric. Stats, cac stats, rings, MVPs, finals MVPs, was always the alpha, moments, narrative, highlights…

There is no blind spot. Jokic, obviously, isn’t there. Nor is Kobe. Nor is Steph, etc. A lot of y’all really got it fukked up: Bron gets nitpicked and ridiculed when in comparison to MJ. So y’all think shyt sweet. But ngga that’s Mike. Black cat. Bron matched against EVERYONE else, is shytting on them by any measure you’d like. Kobe included

 

[Rekkapryde]

LeDahomey

 

[Trojan 24]

This genius made a thread about analytics and didn’t post a single advanced metric in that photo other than VORP, which is a counting stat that isn’t all that complex, isn’t predictive, and is prone to large fluctuations from year to year.

Another exhibit in how the vast majority of people who hate stats analysis don’t know anything about it.

You right, we moved on to On/OFF stats now

 

[Remote]

Trying to make Bron vs Kobe a thing in 2025 is a sign you need help. Bron passed Kobe a decade ago. Which is why Kobe fans have latched onto MJ When Bron and MJ name gets brought up y’all insert Kobe like it’s some fake ass holy trinity. When MJ wins a debate vs bron y’all somehow think that’s a W for you. Mental illness

As far as the stats, that’s why bron (and mike) are at the top. They’re the only ones that cover EVERY metric. Stats, cac stats, rings, MVPs, finals MVPs, was always the alpha, moments, narrative, highlights…

There is no blind spot. Jokic, obviously, isn’t there. Nor is Kobe. Nor is Steph, etc. A lot of y’all really got it fukked up: Bron gets nitpicked and ridiculed when in comparison to MJ. So y’all think shyt sweet. Ngga that’s Mike. Black cat. Bron match against EVERYONE else, is shytting on them by any measure you’d like. Kobe included

There’s a very clear problem with the people who argue that advanced stats are “cac shyt”

They cannot explain in any way how advanced metrics favor 1 player over another. Whether it’s a white guy a black guy or anyone.

To a large degree, advanced analytics confirm public opinion. For example, Michael Jordan ranks near the top of almost every advanced statistic ever created.

Jokic is great. Whether you delve into the numbers or not, you know it.

Analytics support it and they gives you more context. That’s all it is.

But these people get angry because the stats they think USED to matter the most, no longer do because we recognize how flawed they are.

It’s like the morons who still think Wins matter in baseball more than FIP.

The casual basketball fan is dumber than the casual baseball fan.

 

[rightfultoefinger]

Damn Kobe like top 50 now. Jokic better than Kobe.