American Drone Strike Policy Discussion

[The Real]

I hate when people use this argument. It's such a faulty defense.

If you think I'm defending Obama, you couldn't be more wrong. I'm not defending anyone, period. In fact, I'm widening the scope of the criticism. I'm pointing out that this is the logical result of Neoconservative policy, which has been present as an intensifying tendency in our government for a long time. Obama is not the prime actor here- Romney wouldn't have been, either, even though he would have done essentially the same things. This is about an apparatus, not a person.

 

[teacher]

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[Type Username Here]

If you think I'm defending Obama, you couldn't be more wrong. I'm not defending anyone, period. I'm pointing out that this is the logical result of Neoconservative policy, which has been present as an intensifying tendency in our government for a long time. Obama is not the prime actor here- Romney wouldn't have been, either, even though he would have done essentially the same things. This is about an apparatus, not a person.

But it is about a person. An ethical person would use the power of the office to tell the American people that there are other factors at work and they should not trust the government and elected officials.

The President, can easily go off script during the State of the Union and tell the people how it goes, but he will not. To me, this puts the blame squarely on him, whoever he happens to be.

 

[Type Username Here]

What a bullshyt moderator merge.

Anything to protect Obama.

This story, while involving Drones, is essentially much different than what was being discussed.

It has been merged too early, but the reasons are obvious.

 

[CouldntBeMeTho]

What a bullshyt moderator merge.

Anything to protect Obama.

This story, while involving Drones, is essentially much different than what was being discussed.

It has been merged too early, but the reasons are obvious.

I agree this is a HL subject easily worth its own thread. discussing the first american targeted by drones doesnt deserve that ?

 

[Type Username Here]

I agree this is a HL subject easily worth its own thread. discussing the first american targeted by drones doesnt deserve that ?

The two mods are good people but their love of Obama is no secret around these parts.

I imagine news like this must be devastating to them on a personal level.

 

[newarkhiphop]

unmerge these shyts

 

[The Real]

But it is about a person. An ethical person would use the power of the office to tell the American people that there are other factors at work and they should not trust the government and elected officials.

The President, can easily go off script during the State of the Union and tell the people how it goes, but he will not. To me, this puts the blame squarely on him, whoever he happens to be.

The bolded is true, but realistically, the chances of someone like that winning an election are next to nothing, which, again, is a matter of apparatuses, though of different ones (the electoral apparatus, lobbies, and so on.) Plus, when you become part of a machinery of power of the size of the US government, it's like being a puppet on a string in many ways- but there's no puppet master. There's individual power, and then there's power that is the effect of a structure, that traverses but doesn't specifically emanate from individuals, and I personally feel that the power of an individual is rarely exercised when they're an official like the President. I prefer to analyze shifts in policy, or large-scale tendencies like Neoconservative foreign policy slowly becoming domestic policy in terms of those larger structures.

 

[Type Username Here]

The bolded is true, but realistically, the chances of someone like that winning an election are next to nothing, which, again, is a matter of apparatuses, though of different ones (the electoral apparatus, lobbies, and so on.) Plus, when you become part of a machinery of power of the size of the US government, it's like being a puppet on a string in many ways- but there's no puppet master. There's individual power, and then there's power that is the effect of a structure, that traverses but doesn't specifically emanate from individuals, and I personally feel that the power of an individual is rarely exercised when they're an official like the President. I prefer to analyze shifts in policy, or large-scale tendencies like Neoconservative foreign policy slowly becoming domestic policy in terms of those larger structures.

Nah bro, I agree with you. Only a certain type of person runs for the (D) and (R) Presidential race. They have to tap dance to the music of special interests, it still doesn't mean they can't have an "ethical" awakening.

Hell, Eisenhower did, but his ended up being said on his last day in the office.

So, the way I see it is that the charade says the President has the power to do certain things, and if he does these things against what he finds ethical and doesn't use the pulpit to speak about this immoral choices, then I will continue to put the blame on his shoulders, no matter who he/she is.

 

[Julius Skrrvin]

really hate this mega thread shyt @BarNone this was a good topic representing a huge precedent and it dezerved attention

 

[No1]

The two mods are good people but their love of Obama is no secret around these parts.

I imagine news like this must be devastating to them on a personal level.

Look, you and Broke Wave are the only people who think I have love of Obama everyone else (actual Obama semi-enthusiasts) thinks our arguments are stupid and that I should stop fanning those flames, so I won't take that bait now and I won't take it again for as long as I am a moderator of this forum, it's counterproductive and you know that.

To the topic:

I would implore you to ask adult questions instead of launching into conspiratorial personal attacks. The fact of the matter is this, HL has been getting repeat or similar threads for weeks now, and that is what the official announcement was about forum-wide last month to all members and moderators. To either delete or merge repeat threads or similar threads so that other posts don't fall off the page. Heck, we've been thinking about a potential merge of religion threads, but they're all so different so it's complicated. If we're going to merge threads, we do it early before it is too large to not make sense. Third, the merge has a 1 MONTH re-direct on it. Thus, it exists as it's own thread RIGHT NOW basically.

So if you think that personally creating this entire thread, and stickying it to the top of the forum, to the point of moving our announcement so that it could hold the top spot is some guise to disguise it then I think you need to reevaluate a bunch of things. If not for my sticky, every single drone thread would be off the first page right now. You don't know the motivations for anything that we do, and I respectfully request that you send me a PM or @Brown_Pride, before you start throwing out false accusations which have repeatedly been found to be false. Quite frankly, I thought we were past this. Good night.

 

[the next guy]

Thank God our daddy Obama was elected president!

This country is going to fukking shyt, courtesy of that b*stard Hussein.

I have to admit you are right here. So Disappointing in Obama for this

 

[No1]

really hate this mega thread shyt @BarNone this was a good topic representing a huge precedent and it dezerved attention

It has its own thread for 1 month via re-direct, unprecedented. It re-directs here and had about 4 posts before I merged it, most of your responses are to the merge. I respect that you disagree, but when this thread died down, it would have been merged in here anyway, like I did with all the other failing drone strike threads. So again, I respect that you disagree, and I respect even more that you didn't attribute some insidious purpose to it, but I made a judgment call and most of the responses in here have been made AFTER the merge and ABOUT the merge. Mods, aren't perfect and perhaps I merged this one too early, I can admit that.

Unfortunately, I can't unmerge anything. I'm sorry but this will have to do, and I think it'll end up working out fine.

 

[NYC Rebel]

its interesting...cause they will use this in this case, cause this guys trying to kill cops

but if he wasnt trying to kill cops and just a "regular old murderer" killin normal people, they wouldnt be using drones


will be interesting how they use this going forward...i cant say that i disagree with it in this case however

I can. If the reconnaissance work of the LAPD on the ground can lead to random people of all ethnicities getting shot, what makes you think they can get it right from miles above?

 

[Rarely-Wrong Liggins]

unmerge these shyts

Take it from an expert, once merged the damage cannot be undone.