An Detailed Analysis of how if u dont like MCHG ur a c00n/cac
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While Jay is talking about things of substance on those two joints, that's about it for the entire album. I just wish Jay would take more chances artistically at this point in his career.. Dude don't need to have an album full of singles anymore..idk, the album was just bland as hell to me. I liked it when I first listened to it the week it came out, but I haven't felt compelled to go back and listen to it.. still bumping chance, killer mike's shyt, kendrick, joey badass and j cole.
dirty_yo
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Well it's cool that you see MCHG as glorifying black success but I'm not sure that's the way a lot of people see it. I think people see this as a vain attempt by Jay to associate himself with other great artists be they black or white, without doing any of the things that actually made them great. Just because you name drop Basquiat every second bar, does not mean you were are as interesting an artist as him. If he did more things like the Picasso Baby performance, he may have a case but right now the best case scenario is the awareness he is providing the common man.
The whole black success shtick is a red herring and I hope we can move on from that. His presence being charity is one of the most disgusting things I've ever heard a rapper say.
CashmereThoughts
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Well alot of people will also say Jay committed blood sacrifice to attain the status he has..wat u gon do
I see alot of crackaz say that same statement of "Jay attempting to align himself with other great artists without doin anything warranting that"
Bullsht....this rhetoric only tells me u dont think much of hip hop when spoken of as an artform
The man who has the greatest career in hip hop history and who has to be one of the most critically acclaimed artists in the genre has no foundation to say teh things he says?
The man who has respects from all his peers and forefathers individuals like KRS, Rakim, Nas, Chuck D etc.
ANd is worshiped by pretty much every new rapper in the game right now
Jay Z is a legend within hip hop and to downplay what he has done equates to downplaying hip hop's value as an artform...which brings me back to emphazing the necessity of a move like that Picasso Baby video
As for his presence being charity...well....the man is self aware
dirty_yo
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I have the utmost respect of hip hop as an art form, that's exactly why I am challenging the weak narrative you're providing. Basquiat didn't need to constantly associate himself with a great artist to secure his artistic legacy - he was great on his own terms alone. This is the crux of the matter that I would hope you address. Jay-Z maybe the greatest brand in hiphop but his artistic merit is questionable. To paraphrase the great art barr, jay's biggest achievement is his will smith impersonation.Well alot of people will also say Jay committed blood sacrifice to attain the status he has..wat u gon do
I see alot of crackaz say that same statement of "Jay attempting to align himself with other great artists without doin anything warranting that"
Bullsht....this rhetoric only tells me u dont think much of hip hop when spoken of as an artform
The man who has the greatest career in hip hop history and who has to be one of the most critically acclaimed artists in the genre has no foundation to say teh things he says?
The man who has respects from all his peers and forefathers individuals like KRS, Rakim, Nas, Chuck D etc.
ANd is worshiped by pretty much every new rapper in the game right now
Jay Z is a legend within hip hop and to downplay what he has done equates to downplaying hip hop's value as an artform...which brings me back to emphazing the necessity of a move like that Picasso Baby video
As for his presence being charity...well....the man is self aware
U asked me to do it
Artistic merit?? nikka what??
Newflash breh..to make it in hip hop u must network...all the greats have associated themselves with figures who were previously bigger than them..I dnt understand what ur sayin
Like i said u dnt have respect for hip hop as an art form because if u did u wouldnt say that one of the most revered and respected artists in hip hop and is the leading force for our genre as not being a great artist.
Hip Hop started as who can move the people through the power of words. In a sense..Hip Hop is urban performance arts..Jay just made the move to have hip hop be recognized as high art
You may not like Jay but thats irrelevant to the conversation..like is said..the thread is about MCHG and how people are saying its wack..when lyrically and substance wise it has more depth than a Blueprint...and on a substance tip he is passing off more wisdom than he did on RD
Which is why in this thread i say that if u have qualms with mchg than ur prolly a black excellence hating cracka who hates images of constant black success and the image of a black successor being shoved down ur throat and u hate Jay passing that on and asking more than just being the black underdog these crackaz want
Its as simple as that
MCHG glorifies black success, black monogamy, black family, and hip hop excellence and progression as an art form
People who hate this album are against those things whether they want to admit or not..
Which is why I made this thread highlighting how these songs portray these themes
I don't feel the album and am not either so no. The Justin Timberlake thing is mad ironic lol. I fukked with Black Album and even Blueprint 3 and Kingdom Come where Jay was talking about being successful so it ain't that, it's just the lyrics weren't dope. More ignorant people like this than real motherfukkers.
dirty_yo
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To make it in hip hop? The fukk are you talking about like Jay-Z is some breakthrough artist and Basquiat is taking him under his wing. Jay tells you to jump and you ask him how high. Go kick rocks/rocs bytchU asked me to do it
Artistic merit?? nikka what??
Newflash breh..to make it in hip hop u must network...all the greats have associated themselves with figures who were previously bigger than them..I dnt understand what ur sayin
Like i said u dnt have respect for hip hop as an art form because if u did u wouldnt say that one of the most revered and respected artists in hip hop and is the leading force for our genre as not being a great artist.
Hip Hop started as who can move the people through the power of words. In a sense..Hip Hop is urban performance arts..Jay just made the move to have hip hop be recognized as high art
You may not like Jay but thats irrelevant to the conversation..like is said..the thread is about MCHG and how people are saying its wack..when lyrically and substance wise it has more depth than a Blueprint...and on a substance tip he is passing off more wisdom than he did on RD
Which is why in this thread i say that if u have qualms with mchg than ur prolly a black excellence hating cracka who hates images of constant black success and the image of a black successor being shoved down ur throat and u hate Jay passing that on and asking more than just being the black underdog these crackaz want
Its as simple as that
MCHG glorifies black success, black monogamy, black family, and hip hop excellence and progression as an art form
People who hate this album are against those things whether they want to admit or not..
Which is why I made this thread highlighting how these songs portray these themes
I didnt really read it but one thing stuck out to me
Lol @ a black man and woman being criminals on the run a representation of... what did he say??? "The perfect and very real image of black royal love and glorifies black monogamy and family"... o yea very perfect, mom and dad bringing the kids out on bank robberies, mom and dad getting locked up and their kids getting put into the foster care system
Whose really the fukking CAC
Lol @ a black man and woman being criminals on the run a representation of... what did he say??? "The perfect and very real image of black royal love and glorifies black monogamy and family"... o yea very perfect, mom and dad bringing the kids out on bank robberies, mom and dad getting locked up and their kids getting put into the foster care system
Whose really the fukking CAC
I didnt really read it but one thing stuck out to me
Lol @ a black man and woman being criminals on the run a representation of... what did he say??? "The perfect and very real image of black royal love and glorifies black monogamy and family"... o yea very perfect, mom and dad bringing the kids out on bank robberies, mom and dad getting locked up and their kids getting put into the foster care system
Whose really the fukking CAC
Well no...u see unlike ur black excellence hating c00n ass self u cant see that the song was a metaphor for their love
We know they are not actually bonnie and clyde..they use the bonnie and clyde metaphor as a way to portray they feel that it is "them" against the world...and that their love and devotion is all they need...
We in the black community need more stuff like dat
Hov on MCHG glorifying black monogamy, black family and black success and making sure he no longer will be the black underdog these filthy crackaz want
"America tried to emasculate teh greats
Murder Malcolm gave Cassius the shakes
Wait..tell em rumble young man rumble
They try and dim your lights tell u be humble
U know im gon shine like a trillion watts
Lil b*stard boys basking on top"
Black excellence
cracka get outta here u filthy cracka until u can appreciate the image of black success 
50 cent is the true example of black excellence
da gawd never changes
yet he's so successful
da gawd never changes
yet he's so successful
No, "we" don't
That is just you taking the most positive interpretation possible, like a stan would
So coops out hea rlly chasin B and Jay down huh?
they cornered by da boys and they on they last breaths after a life of crime right
The nerve u have to even post that after them reachin ass convoluted ass conclusions on Lupe's SLR
