an ethics study of rich and poor people , you'll be shocked :sarcasm:

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You don't think the nation would be better off with more balance to those charts?

No. As long as everyone is richer than last year, the gaps are meaningless to me.

I don't really care about income equality because I don't believe people are equal in ability.

If we want to attack the 1%, I think we need to start capping all those Sports stars, Hollywood Celebs, and Musicians first. What do they do?
 

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Which one of you wouldn't do madddd grimy sh1t to be in the top 1%?

other than killing people.... who has morals that could stop them from grimyness once they've tasted that life

I've tasted that life once, through someone I know... I took full advantage. I feel like I'm not the same person after. A couple of my best friends still talk sh1t bout how I was wilin. At the same time I was younger, I would like to think my morals and self control has developed since then.

The problem with this thread is, most of these folks are simply protecting their own interests. This is something we all do, to lesser or to greater degrees than others perhaps, but we all still do it.

The difference is, it takes a certain pedigree (access to higher education, a certain social circle, etc.) or will (the few who truly work their way up from the bottom) to become a part of the financial elite.

I never really buy into this, "these guys are evil" nonsense. We are all fukked up.
 

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The problem with this thread is, most of these folks are simply protecting their own interests. This is something we all do, to lesser or to greater degrees than others perhaps, but we all still do it.

The difference is, it takes a certain pedigree (access to higher education, a certain social circle, etc.) or will (the few who truly work their way up from the bottom) to become a part of the financial elite.

I never really buy into this, "these guys are evil" nonsense. We are all fukked up.

You can't be serious.

There's been a shift where money and resources were controlled by many, now its controlled by a few. 20% of the population controlling 80% of the wealth can't be good. I don't really care about CEO salaries, because if you have 10,000 employees I figure only the top execs are seeing that kind of money.

The problem is two fold, salaries are pretty stagnant for the past 10 years and these fools are spending every red cent they make. Fair wage and better money management would benefit this economy a lot, and help things flow better.
 

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You can't be serious.

There's been a shift where money and resources were controlled by many, now its controlled by a few. 20% of the population controlling 80% of the wealth can't be good. I don't really care about CEO salaries, because if you have 10,000 employees I figure only the top execs are seeing that kind of money.

The problem is two fold, that they are not paying most of their workers good wages and these fools are spending every red cent they make. Fair wage and better money management would benefit this economy a lot, and help things flow better.

:ufdup: When has this ever been the case?

You quoted my post so I'm guessing you're disagreeing with me, however I can't find the source of your disagreement. You didn't really address what I said, you just threw out a couple of percentages and then hypothesized on what would "benefit the economy."

What does this have to do with individuals pursuing what's in their own self-interest?
 

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Oh look another one of those 'lolz rich ppl r evil' studies.

We're on an internet forum crying about social inequality and conspiracy theories while some rich entrepreneur who graduated from a hbcu is in Puerto Rico or Brazil giving unprecedented back shots to dimes on the beach.
 

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You quoted my post so I'm guessing you're disagreeing with me, however I can't find the source of your disagreement. You didn't really address what I said, you just threw out a couple of percentages and then hypothesized on what would "benefit the economy."

What does this have to do with individuals pursuing what's in their own self-interest?

You actually believe people don't think about the common good? Its one thing to protect your property and personal belongings at all costs, but saying we are all fukked up to the point we are cut throat, ruthless, and unfeeling is not something that is common place. These rich b*stards really take it up a notch with their apathy, like Rinehart said people should get paid $2 per day.
 

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You actually believe people don't think about the common good? Its one thing to protect your property and personal belongings at all costs, but saying we are all fukked up to the point we are cut throat, ruthless, and unfeeling is not something that is common place. These rich b*stards really take it up a notch with their apathy, like Rinehart said people should get paid $2 per day.



But go ahead and address some of my other questions to you sir.
 
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The difference is, it takes a certain pedigree (access to higher education, a certain social circle, etc.) or will (the few who truly work their way up from the bottom) to become a part of the financial elite.

I never really buy into this, "these guys are evil" nonsense. We are all fukked up.

The problem with your post is that you operate under the assumption that these people's pursuit of their self-interest is equivalent in morality to everyone else's or that unrestrained pursuit of one's self-interest to the detriment of others is just. You assume that this new financial elite are composed of people that actually create things and increase the pie and provides services where more often than not their jobs is securing a greater portion of the pie for themselves. Whether or not they are evil is one thing, but to say they lack any sense of social duty is almost entirely unquestionable. The purpose of a corporation is to make money, the courts themselves have agreed with this, anything else is ancillary.

That environment in and of itself produces a culture that promotes unrestrained greed. So even if the people are not individually "evil"--and I would not go to that extreme--the entire corporate enterprise is almost entirely immoral. So, no, these people are not just like everyone else because most people do not operate within the confines of a system that perpetuates callous behavior. It is why there is little back and forth from the private sector to the public sector, there is an intense distrust of how individuals who have operated in the private sector have been socialized.

I operate in that world, and if I told you that every once in awhile my job won't consist of screwing over the little guy, I'd be lying to you. At the end of the day, my job boils down to helping wealthy corporations and people make more money. That is corporate America, and that group is from which the new rich people in America have come from. People who aren't built like that, but are smart, end up leaving before long so I wouldn't doubt if these numbers are accurate.

It is not inherently a condition of man to behave selfishly (in the traditional sense), and even today, places like Finland have a beter senseof collective duty than the United States does. You're equating with what happened to the United States in the 1980s (and has persistedsince) with a natural order of things. It is not, it does not have to be. With that said, I wouldn't use the word evil, I would say less concerned with greater social causes and often employed to combat the proponents of such causes.
 
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it's not that rich people are b*stards with no morals.

It's just that b*stards with no morals do what it takes to get rich more often than nice people.

There was a study released a while back that stated people with higher rank in these companies tend to have more psychopathic tendencies than those of lower status; basically saying it's the sociopaths of the world who are the ones with the best shot to climb the corporate and economic ladder because of how cutthroat and amoral they are.
 

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The problem with your post is that you operate under the assumption that these people's pursuit of their self-interest is equivalent in morality to everyone else's or that unrestrained pursuit of one's self-interest to the detriment of others is just. You assume that this new financial elite are composed of people that actually create things and increase the pie and provides services where more often than not their jobs is securing a greater portion of the pie for themselves. Whether or not they are evil is one thing, but to say they lack any sense of social duty is almost entirely unquestionable. The purpose of a corporation is to make money, the courts themselves have agreed with this, anything else is ancillary.

That environment in and of itself produces a culture that promotes unrestrained greed. So even if the people are not individually "evil"--and I would not go to that extreme--the entire corporate enterprise is almost entirely immoral. So, no, these people are not just like everyone else because most people do not operate within the confines of a system that perpetuates callous behavior. It is why there is little back and forth from the private sector to the public sector, there is an intense distrust of how individuals who have operated in the private sector have been socialized.

I operate in that world, and if I told you that every once in awhile my job won't consist of screwing over the little guy, I'd be lying to you. At the end of the day, my job boils down to helping wealthy corporations and people make more money. That is corporate America, and that group is from which the new rich people in America have come from. People who aren't built like that, but are smart, end up leaving before long so I wouldn't doubt if these numbers are accurate.

It is not inherently a condition of man to behave selfishly (in the traditional sense), and even today, places like Finland have a beter senseof collective duty than the United States does. You're equating with what happened to the United States in the 1980s (and has persistedsince) with a natural order of things. It is not, it does not have to be. With that said, I wouldn't use the word evil, I would say less concerned with greater social causes and often employed to combat the proponents of such causes.

It always seems like when we argue, your rebuttals are against statements I never made.

Nevertheless, currently taking the rest of your points into consideration. Not often a person makes me think through a response.
 
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Which one of you wouldn't do madddd grimy sh1t to be in the top 1%?

other than killing people.... who has morals that could stop them from grimyness once they've tasted that life?

I've tasted that life once, through someone I know... I took full advantage. I feel like I'm not the same person after. A couple of my best friends still talk sh1t bout how I was wilin. At the same time I was younger, I would like to think my morals and self control has developed since then.

:whew: :popcorn:
 

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Oh look another one of those 'lolz rich ppl r evil' studies.

We're on an internet forum crying about social inequality and conspiracy theories while some rich entrepreneur who graduated from a hbcu is in Puerto Rico or Brazil giving unprecedented back shots to dimes on the beach.

:win:


:salute:
 
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yea the average CEO does not make that much as they say in the figure, they must be talking about a very limited number of companies (fortune 500/whatever criteria)

:wtf: what kinda study by Cal uses online news articles and editorials as sources instead of previously published peer reviewed literature?

Welcome to the new age of internet research. Just find a blog or internet article that agrees with your initial premise, then parrot it as "fact"

This article is nothing but liberal nonsense designed to make the average citizen hate rich people and develop socialist views. Its disgusting and I'm sick of it. Is this article then assuming that all "poor" people are all good, honest, and hardworking? :heh:
 
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