an ethics study of rich and poor people , you'll be shocked :sarcasm:

[CrimsonTider]

I see a bunch nicely designed charts, but I don't see a data set, an empirical formula or even some sort of graph.

Why do people keep attacking the rich for anyways? They made to the top for a reason.

Stop being such jealous haters and worry about your own life.

How do you ignore that nearly ALL. Of the 1% wealth is inherited?

 

[No1]

It always seems like when we argue, your rebuttals are against statements I never made.

Nevertheless, currently taking the rest of your points into consideration. Not often a person makes me think through a response.

Just to reiterate, what I was getting at is that one could probably make the argument that people in the private sector often operate within a system that causes them to make decisions that, outside of the corporate goal or endeavor, could be argued as evil to some degree. So to say that "we're all fukked up" is false equivalency. The degree is not the same as how individual's interact with each other on a daily basis. However, there is some merit to @Blackking's point that most people would probably do the same if they had the ability to. But I'd posit that most would also choose an alternate means if the opportunity were presented to them. The reforms then, should be aimed at institutions and industries, and not individuals, but I think most educated people understand that.

But the U.S. is never going to be one of those countries where the salary of public actors is matched to their public sector equivalent in order to get smart individuals into government as well. Besides, there are perverse incentives and corruption is probably more endemic over here.

 

[Blackking]

Just to reiterate, what I was getting at is that one could probably make the argument that people in the private sector often operate within a system that causes them to make decisions that, outside of the corporate goal or endeavor, could be argued as evil to some degree. So to say that "we're all fukked up" is false equivalency. The degree is not the same as how individual's interact with each other on a daily basis. However, there is some merit to @Blackking's point that most people would probably do the same if they had the ability to. But I'd posit that most would also choose an alternate means if the opportunity were presented to them. The reforms then, should be aimed at institutions and industries, and not individuals, but I think most educated people understand that.

But the U.S. is never going to be one of those countries where the salary of public actors is matched to their public sector equivalent in order to get smart individuals into government as well. Besides, there are perverse incentives and corruption is probably more endemic over here.

This is the US. by its nature - In a capitalist system things run smoother with a huge wealth gap.... And it's very easy and very alluring to keep that wealth gap wide.

Also, besides hitting the lottery, do you know what it takes to build that type of wealth? I know for sure in a corrupt nation, it takes demonic actions to get there.. It might just be that one decision you made, but that one decision makes all the difference. Trust, me I have a list of about 4 people that I have to make sure I break off and help out once I become wealthy. Sh1t's grimy in the US.

Yea reforms should be aimed at institutions, but people who aren't running those institutions aren't powerful enough to make change, and the people who are running the institutions literally have no incentive to change a thing. Even the ones who are liberal philanthropist - even those people are so out of touch that they indirectly contribute to the overall fukkkery of the system.

@CrimsonTider old money is why it would take a revolution to actually make any changes.

 

[MBwithadream]

It is better to be poor & honest than to be a fool & dishonest.

Proverbs 19:1

 

[Suicide King]

The problem with your post is that you operate under the assumption that these people's pursuit of their self-interest is equivalent in morality to everyone else's or that unrestrained pursuit of one's self-interest to the detriment of others is just. You assume that this new financial elite are composed of people that actually create things and increase the pie and provides services where more often than not their jobs is securing a greater portion of the pie for themselves. Whether or not they are evil is one thing, but to say they lack any sense of social duty is almost entirely unquestionable. The purpose of a corporation is to make money, the courts themselves have agreed with this, anything else is ancillary.

That environment in and of itself produces a culture that promotes unrestrained greed. So even if the people are not individually "evil"--and I would not go to that extreme--the entire corporate enterprise is almost entirely immoral. So, no, these people are not just like everyone else because most people do not operate within the confines of a system that perpetuates callous behavior. It is why there is little back and forth from the private sector to the public sector, there is an intense distrust of how individuals who have operated in the private sector have been socialized.

I operate in that world, and if I told you that every once in awhile my job won't consist of screwing over the little guy, I'd be lying to you. At the end of the day, my job boils down to helping wealthy corporations and people make more money. That is corporate America, and that group is from which the new rich people in America have come from. People who aren't built like that, but are smart, end up leaving before long so I wouldn't doubt if these numbers are accurate.

It is not inherently a condition of man to behave selfishly (in the traditional sense), and even today, places like Finland have a beter senseof collective duty than the United States does. You're equating with what happened to the United States in the 1980s (and has persistedsince) with a natural order of things. It is not, it does not have to be. With that said, I wouldn't use the word evil, I would say less concerned with greater social causes and often employed to combat the proponents of such causes.

I just think most people live and let live.

Its not like we are living in 15th Century Florence Italy. Not everyone is scheming or on their survival of the fittest kick. And the people who are all about self, are pretty easy to spot, so I don't really feel like the world is a scary place.

 

[Mr. Somebody]

Entitlement is so demonic but still at the end of the day, everyones got demons. I see now more and more why its easier for a camel to pass through the head of a needle than it is for a rich person to get into heaven. Its so demonic, friends.

 

[Gus Money]

Why do people keep attacking the rich for anyways? They made to the top for a reason.

Stop being such jealous haters and worry about your own life.

I don't really care about income equality because I don't believe people are equal in ability.

This dude is either a great troll or, more likely, one of the most consistently horrible posters on the board.

 

[rapbeats]

lookin at those ceo/worker pay numbers and then remembering that mcdonalds employees want to raise their minimum wage thread


:???:

and remember what i said in that thread while the idiots backed the ceos without even knowing it.

 

[Raw Lyrics]

You can't be serious.

There's been a shift where money and resources were controlled by many, now its controlled by a few. 20% of the population controlling 80% of the wealth can't be good. I don't really care about CEO salaries, because if you have 10,000 employees I figure only the top execs are seeing that kind of money.

The problem is two fold, salaries are pretty stagnant for the past 10 years and these fools are spending every red cent they make. Fair wage and better money management would benefit this economy a lot, and help things flow better.

Start by donating 25% of your salary to those who work just as hard but don't make as much as you do. That will help stimulate their spending into the economy.

 

[Slaimon Khan Shah]

IT'S BETTER TO BE POOR THAN RICH FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND.

 

[No1]

I just think most people live and let live.

Its not like we are living in 15th Century Florence Italy. Not everyone is scheming or on their survival of the fittest kick. And the people who are all about self, are pretty easy to spot, so I don't really feel like the world is a scary place.

That's not what I mean, literally the purpose of a corporation is to maximize profit. To that end, corporations toss aside other values. I know MBAs at all the top schools and you can tell the difference between them and their legal counterparts. Before hitting the corporate law firms, the law students will talk about "what about the social effect" the MBAs are because usually they've already been working in the private sector before going to get that MBA.