Ana Kasparian (TYT) leaves the Democratic Party; UPDATE: Ana now works for PBD on rightwing view type show, It's over

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Number one thing democrats can do is purge purity politics as a guiding light from the party. Nobody agrees on everything and nobody should be canceled for disagreeing on fringe issues .

A common criticism of democrats is an authenticity problem.

It’s hard to be authentic if you’re worried about getting canceled by a large swath of the base for not being pure enough

I’ve long conceded that black issues wont be going anywhere since we’re the base of the party but the overt political set-asides and direct benefits will have to be tabled as the party regains footing on other grounds.

nonsense issues like this are already being tossed by democrats and even the trans congressperson admitted they’re OK with it

Inside Democrats’ Reshuffling on Trans Issues

Democrats are talking about how to handle transgender rights politically, after infighting and flailing over the issue in the last year. “We have to create more space in our tent,” said Rep. Sarah McBride.

www.notus.org

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

The idea that Democrats are the ones who are pushing trans issues is one of the biggest strawmen in American politics.

It’s what the public sees democrats as standing for. If thats not fair, then democrats have themselves to blame.

Many Americans Say the Democratic Party Does Not Share Their Priorities

A poll from The New York Times and Ipsos found that Americans believe abortion, L.G.B.T.Q. issues and climate change concern Democrats more than the cost of living.

www.nytimes.com

https://static01.nyt.com/newsgraphics/documenttools/a66cc1cd29a9ea2c/41386e22-full.pdf

As they've been doing since the Civil Rights Act was passed, Republicans purposely use trans people as a wedge issue to distract stupid citizens (some of them on this forum) from the fact that our work productivity has continued to increase but we are getting screwed on wages, healthcare, housing, education and many other issues because of wealth concentration, business interests, and the disproportionate effect that lobbyists have on pushing government policy.

You’re not making a case why this group needs to be defended.

You can say that Democrats have also succumbed to these same interests, and you would be right, but at least their purported policy goals would benefit ordinary/working class people if implemented.

You can’t focus on serious issues if you fail the basic issues.

Outside of a few faux populists (Josh Hawley, Marco Rubio, JD Vance, Steve Bannon, etc.), Republicans don't even pretend to care about any policies that would benefit ordinary people. Republicans, not progressives, are the ones who are constantly talking about trans people playing sports and pronouns because the issue polls well for them and they can distract simpleton/bigots from the fact that they are actively trying to make the lives of ordinary people worse so they can benefit the wealthy.

OK. Should trans athletes be competing in competitive sports apart from their sex?

So here we are talking about trans people while Trump/Elon destroy government and social benefits in order to pass another unpaid for tax cut that will disproportionately benefit the wealthy.

If you keep calling it a culture war, does that change the fact you’re losing it?

 

[MAKAVELI25]

Civil rights act is not the same as allowing trans women to play in women sports. It’s disrespectful to use black suffering as a stepping stone for glorified elective procedures



I’ll ask you the same question. Voters care about the issue more than you think.

Are you willing to sacrifice Republican control of the three branches of government so that trans women can play in women’s sports?

Take out the sports, which is not really a big issue considering the amount of applicable cases relative to the US population. They focus on sports because the issue polls well for them and it will distract from all the terrible shyt they are doing that will make our lives and the lives of our family members worse.

They are trying to erase trans people from public life. Is that ok with you? How many anti trans bills do we need to see passed across the country before we realize this? They are passing these bathroom bills in order to ensure that when trans people leave their houses, they are not able to access public facilities.

These are not political pawns, these are actual people who are vulnerable who already suffer higher rates of depression, suicide, and sexual violence relative to the general population. You are a human being before you are a partisan. As a human being, is what they are doing to this already vulnerable population ok with you?

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

You’re right but the fact democrats are willing to fight on the trans sports issue is playing into a trap the Republicans are laying out.

It would be like if you were playing chess and your opponent sacrificed his pawn to attack your bishop, you move your horse to take his pawn but it leaves your queen open for attack.

The Republicans are using the trans sports issue as a diversionary tactic, dems just need to tactically retreat on that issue so that they can defend issues that actually matter.

trans is the republican trap

medicare/healthcare/benefits/etc is the democrat trap.

STAY OUT OF THE TRAP

 

[Outlaw]

Take out the sports, which is not really a big issue considering the amount of applicable cases relative to the US population. They focus on sports because the issue polls well for them and it will distract from all the terrible shyt they are doing that will make our lives and the lives of our family members worse.

They are trying to erase trans people from public life. Is that ok with you? How many anti trans bills do we need to see passed across the country before we realize this? They are passing these bathroom bills in order to ensure that when trans people leave their houses, they are not able to access public facilities.

These are not political pawns, these are actual people who are vulnerable who already suffer higher rates of depression, suicide, and sexual violence relative to the general population. You are a human being before you are a partisan. As a human being, is what they are doing to this already vulnerable population ok with you?

You’re straw-manning an argument that I’m not making. I think democrats should fight for fundamental trans rights because my guiding principle is that you should have freedom to do what you want as long as your freedom doesn’t encroach on others or hurt other people.


My issue is trans sports because it’s an anchor on the Democrats electorally.

Look at that Ossoff tweet that I posted, his trans sports vote is impacting his polling; so the issue does matter to a lot of voters

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Take out the sports, which is not really a big issue considering the amount of applicable cases relative to the US population. They focus on sports because the issue polls well for them and it will distract from all the terrible shyt they are doing that will make our lives and the lives of our family members worse.

People tend to focus on issues that poll well, genius

They are trying to erase trans people from public life. Is that ok with you?

Theres no such thing as being transgender. People as individuals have rights and deserve protection and safety. Everything beyond that is not deserving of undue energy to defend and protect.

How many anti trans bills do we need to see passed across the country before we realize this? They are passing these bathroom bills in order to ensure that when trans people leave their houses, they are not able to access public facilities.

I dont want males in girls bathrooms, especially the majority of whom do not “pass” and who when they fail to “pass” then insult biological women who do not conform to society’s standards of “beauty"

Again, it displaces the spectrum of femininity and women to cater to the narcissism of males with a niche hobby.

These are not political pawns, these are actual people who are vulnerable who already suffer higher rates of depression, suicide, and sexual violence relative to the general population. You are a human being before you are a partisan. As a human being, is what they are doing to this already vulnerable population ok with you?

What happens when holding this debate hostage by threatening self-arm doesn’t persuade people anymore and those who are fed up with the lack of negotiation on other previous issues cease to be captive audiences?

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

How would you feel if Dems had had that reaction to passing the Civil Right Act of 1964? Do any of you not find it interesting that many of the most anti trans people are also anti-DEI? Christopher Rufo? Trump? Elon? This is not a referendum on the pros/cons of DEI programs, but I hope those of us that post on here know what they really mean when they are talking about meritocracy, yet nominating Pete Hegseth and Tulsi Gabbard.

We do not have to defend everything for the fear that we may lose everything.

We know who the enemies are, but we also know what real issues are.

This is like when yall tried to decriminalize everything then didn’t have an answer for elevated crime rates under the fear that the war on drugs or another crime bill would result.

If you can’t handle nuance, then you will lose the careful tradeoffs we tried to secure.

One has to ask oneself why someone like Napoleon, who is not an idiot IMO, can concede that someone like Christopher Rufo is a bigot in the context of his anti-DEI push, yet will parrot his same talking points word for word on the trans issue anD even ask why trans people should exist.

Evangelical scientists exist. You can get big issues wrong and get other ones right.

Whats your point?

If you give your enemy ammunition they know you dont intend on using, they will use it against you.

All the things that are saying about trans people rhyme with the things they used to say about us, yet so many of us are willing to parrot their talking points.

There is nothing relevant to the trans community that correlates to my life as a straight black man. Trans activists have all the rights I do, in fact they have access to places I currently don’t have.

Sometimes the right thing do is not the thing that is most politically expedient. If the Democratic Party no longer wants to be the party that stands up for marginalized communities, then what exactly will they stand for?

What’s marginalized about trans communities?

‘We may have lost the south’: what LBJ really said about Democrats in 1964

"A brilliant political analyst, Johnson foresaw the consequences of his civil rights legislation on the day he signed it into law. He is said to have remarked: “We’ve lost the south for a generation.”

We lost the popular vote and you still want to triple down on not even reforming the platform of the party, much less members of the “big tent”

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

I’m more so fixated on how social media turned you into mindless drone whose sole mission in life is amplifying the talking points of a largely unknown “journalist” who doesn’t know you exist, on a message board every day.

You need to log off, delete Twitter and spend more time with the people who manage to tolerate you in real life.

I’m convinced the accelerations bernie bros were probably always gonna be there in some form but bernie was just the symptom of a bigger problem with left wing politics.

If this was a European country, at least these idiots would be forced to commit to a party platform or issue set that fulfills their niche requests instead of attacking the majority center-left entity as being insufficiently deferential to their world view.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

You’re straw-manning an argument that I’m not making. I think democrats should fight for fundamental trans rights because my guiding principle is that you should have freedom to do what you want as long as your freedom doesn’t encroach on others or hurt other people.


My issue is trans sports because it’s an anchor on the Democrats electorally.

Look at that Ossoff tweet that I posted, his trans sports vote is impacting his polling; so the issue does matter to a lot of voters

My issue is that I think dems lost the chance to defend the mere existence of trans issues because they themselves refused to institute self-imposed limits on the issue.

 

[Geek Nasty]

I can't escape the this tranny. Almost every damn fukking thread. Imma keep it a buck...the nazis on reddit who actually hate trans don't go on about them as much as this site does. Or their convos never devolve into tranny discussions.

There aren't that many threads on tranny shyt here. But, any time there is one, you can guarantee people will run in here screaming about how much tranny shyt there is on the coli.

 

[Slimkid07]

This thread...

WTF happened?

 

[storyteller]

I’m being facetious.

Stupid joke then.

Why should it be possible for this to even be a thing?

You keep avoiding this.

I didn't avoid it, you moved the goal posts. You said Trans Athletes are stealing scholarships from other student-athletes and I pointed out there are maybe 5-10 trans student-athletes in most states and hundreds of thousands of scholarships. They aren't taking anyone's scholarships. Try to stick with one point.

So why are you defending what the leagues themselves have already stood down against?

You're trying to have your cake and eat it to. You literally just posted someone winning a race who qualified for it based on their League's rules. Now you're pretending that I'm the one who takes issues with the league's rules.

I'm literally defending the league's right to determine the rules. You're the one who wants the government to regulate it based on some obvious bullshyt about kids getting scholarships. Leave it to the leagues, period. If you're bothering your representatives over this, I repeat, you're fukkin' weird.

Also, the laws are necessary because of TITLE IX

Actually, the Supreme Court has already ruled that Title IX doesn't apply to this issue.

You keep telling us we need “normie dems” and policies that can be digested by the masses and focus on real issues…

and you dont know what a male or female is….

I keep saying that "normal people" shouldn't be freaking out about girl's school sports, particularly a dude who doesn't have kids or involvement in sports. I keep saying, you're not a normie, you're weird and possibly a creep for being this obsessed.

Matter of fact, it's right there in data you posted. Only 4% of Americans listed LGBT issues as particularly important, this isn't the issue that's moving voters. Leave the decisions to the athletic commissions and start worrying about the shyt voters care about instead of magnifying a minsicule part of the population for whatever weird bigoted or creepy reason you have.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Stupid joke then.

I didn't avoid it, you moved the goal posts. You said Trans Athletes are stealing scholarships from other student-athletes and I pointed out there are maybe 5-10 trans student-athletes in most states and hundreds of thousands of scholarships. They aren't taking anyone's scholarships. Try to stick with one point.

Should trans-women athletes take women’s scholarships?

Lia Thomas was literally smashing women’s swimming records.

You're trying to have your cake and eat it to. You literally just posted someone winning a race who qualified for it based on their League's rules. Now you're pretending that I'm the one who takes issues with the league's rules.

You didn’t read. The league is not endorsing male participation in women’s sports.

I'm literally defending the league's right to determine the rules. You're the one who wants the government to regulate it based on some obvious bullshyt about kids getting scholarships. Leave it to the leagues, period. If you're bothering your representatives over this, I repeat, you're fukkin' weird.

Title 9 indicates that the government has had a role in securing women’s sports at the college and secondary level.

Actually, the Supreme Court has already ruled that Title IX doesn't apply to this issue.

That was recently. Trans athletes forced them to lock trans competition out of this realm.

I keep saying that "normal people" shouldn't be freaking out about girl's school sports, particularly a dude who doesn't have kids or involvement in sports. I keep saying, you're not a normie, you're weird and possibly a creep for being this obsessed.

How am I obsessed for stating fact. These aren’t women.

Matter of fact, it's right there in data you posted. Only 4% of Americans listed LGBT issues as particularly important, this isn't the issue that's moving voters. Leave the decisions to the athletic commissions and start worrying about the shyt voters care about instead of magnifying a minsicule part of the population for whatever weird bigoted or creepy reason you have.

You again didn’t read. People perceive democrats only care about LGBT and abortion issues.

 

[storyteller]

Should trans-women athletes take women’s scholarships?

What does the commission say?

Lia Thomas was literally smashing women’s swimming records.

I don't watch or care about Women's collegiate swimming, and one example doesn't make me care enough to magnify the issue beyond your creepy weirdness.

You didn’t read. The league is not endorsing male participation in women’s sports.

You didn't read. The leagues already set their parameters and whoever qualifies qualifies. This has been my stance from the jump. You're confused, because you're arguing with everyone that disagrees with you on this issue. I repeat: Just leave it to the leagues to decide.

Title 9 indicates that the government has had a role in securing women’s sports at the college and secondary level.

That was recently. Trans athletes forced them to lock trans competition out of this realm.

The bolded confirms my point. Title IX isn't an excuse to demand that legislators take over deciding the parameters from different leagues or sporting commissions on this issue.

How am I obsessed for stating fact. These aren’t women.

You again didn’t read. People perceive democrats only care about LGBT and abortion issues.

I didn't say what people perceive or don't perceive about the Dems. I said what people do care about. This issue only moves 4% of voters. The reason, there's a perception that it's a bigger deal, is because of people like you who won't shut up about it. Your obsession is the problem. You had like 10 consecutive posts about this one issue on page 99 . That shyt's weird, bro. My first post mentioned how Cenk and TYT have flopped on several issues from criminal justice to gangs taking over Colorado cities. Still, you only picked up the torch to argue about this one pet issue of yours...just like in the MR thread, where you only ever appear to complain about this same single issue.

I'll repeat what I've been saying. Instead of debating the intricacies or complexities of Trans-Athletes, we should call a spade a spade and point out that this targets less than 1% of the population and it's weird as hell to obsess over it.

 

[Pressure]

The idea that Democrats are the ones who are pushing trans issues is one of the biggest strawmen in American politics. As they've been doing since the Civil Rights Act was passed, Republicans purposely use trans people as a wedge issue to distract stupid citizens (some of them on this forum) from the fact that our work productivity has continued to increase but we are getting screwed on wages, healthcare, housing, education and many other issues because of wealth concentration, business interests, and the disproportionate effect that lobbyists have on pushing government policy.

You can say that Democrats have also succumbed to these same interests, and you would be right, but at least their purported policy goals would benefit ordinary/working class people if implemented.

Outside of a few faux populists (Josh Hawley, Marco Rubio, JD Vance, Steve Bannon, etc.), Republicans don't even pretend to care about any policies that would benefit ordinary people. Republicans, not progressives, are the ones who are constantly talking about trans people playing sports and pronouns because the issue polls well for them and they can distract simpleton/bigots from the fact that they are actively trying to make the lives of ordinary people worse so they can benefit the wealthy.

So here we are talking about trans people while Trump/Elon destroy government and social benefits in order to pass another unpaid for tax cut that will disproportionately benefit the wealthy.

No shyt because Dems refuse to have an honest discussion.

It’s not discrimination to keep biological men out of women’s sports.

We’ve already accepted that it’s not okay to allow transmen on testosterone to play in biological women’s sports.

Close off the loop so we can move on from this topic which largely falls in line with general lbgtqx protections.