The thing that is going over people head is the Anakin legitimately thought the Jedi were in the wrong. I don't even think he viewed the "dark" side as evil. In his eyes the Jedi were evil and they were just trying to manipulate him....i think that is what made his decision pretty easy.
Anakin saving Palpatine unappreciation thread
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I think the whole "Joining the darkside" thing
and his quick decision to do so makes sense.
He's basically been groomed by palpatine for over
a decade.
He knows palpatine and thinks he isn't a bad dude,
on top of that palpatine does a lot to appeal to Anakin emotionally
and they have a kind of father/son relationship.
He plays on Anakins fear of loss which I also think
made the decision pretty easy for Anakin.
I think their relationship isn't blatant but it's definitely
stated specifically by Obi-Wanhe says "be careful of your friend...."
or something to that effect, so of course their relationship didn't
just come out of nowhere.
Also the fight between Anakin and Obi Wan
I can feel you on all of that but the issue is that when it came to THAT specific scene of him joining the dark side it just FELT rushed and sloppy. That actually was the most disappointing part of Episode 3 because your expecting something epic to go down after the reveal to Anakin that he's a Sith and the duel with Palpatine and Mace. Anakin made his decision and then promptly starting crying like a little bytch and THEN all of a sudden you wanna be hardcore and slaughter kids? It was like George Lucas was in such a rush to go "Here you go, FINALLY presenting Darth Vadar!" That he forgot a few crucial scenes that could've made the transition flow better.
But WHAT exactly made the Jedi "evil"? Because Mace Windu had been hard on him and didn't treat him like he was special? Because Yoda told him to forget and let go about the dreams of his mother? These can be harsh, even misguided admonishings but having spent half his entire life with these people Anakin should've known deep down that the Jedi wasn't evil. I can understand him feeling like he was being held back or unfairly hated upon, most of us feel that way about our bosses or superiors when we're young. I can understand him being fearful about losing Padme and HIGHLY resentful of the Jedi from keeping him from his mother and her ultimately dying so tragically. If those had been paths that truly led him to the dark side and they had been expanded upon as festering within him between the second and third film it would've made for a stronger turning, but as filmed it comes across as a split second decision that he regretted but just said "fukk it" and started following Palpatine on a whim, which makes Anakin come across as all the more bytch made rather than tragic
ExodusNirvana
Change is inevitable...
Breh the worst part is if you watched even a few episodes of The Clone Wats cartoon, it's puzzling why someone like that would even take that type of heel turn.
Anakin was damn near Goku on that show from the few eps I seen. The whole crossing over to the dark side seemed forced.
Well I think a number of things made him see the Jedi as "evil". Anakin always knew that he would be more powerful than any Jedi. He was talented pre Jedi training so he felt that the council including Obi Wan wanted to keep a leash on him and not allow him realize his potential so he could never challenge them. Also, he knew that the council didn't fully trust him. Palpatine's plan was perfect because he used Anakin's arrogance,ambition and loyalty to the Republic/ love for his wife who happens to be a senator against the Jedi. The Sith/Jedi dynamic is all a matter of point of view. In earlier Star Wars universes there were legit "good" or not so evil Sith so he prolly thought he could walk that fine line to try to save the people he loved but the Jedi wouldn't allow him to be that powerful because the were envious. In my opinion the fact he was so old when he started his training kind of fukked it up for everybody because he already knew how gifted he was so I'm sure he wasn't as receptive as other padawan. That is probably why they started the Jedi training at a much younger age...so they could stamp there ideals and culture into there head at a very young age. I think there are many factors that went into his decision and they weren't expressed in the film. I think they should of expanded more on the Palpatine and Anakin relationship more.
how 2 jedi gone get that work in 3 seconds from 
YaThreadFloppedB!
The Patron Saint of Threads
Those first 2 Jedi wore green lightsabers. Green lightsabers are force-minded jedi (Yoda) so maybe that explains why they got that work so fast, but then again they didnt even use the Force so 
Here's something I noticed when I was putting my girl on to Star Wars...she wanted to watch them all so we started with episode 1 and finished with Jedi..anyway, in Empire, when Vader is telling Luke to join him and Luke rejects it, there's a beat where the guy playing Vader has this bit of body language that says "Damn, he's stronger than I am" because Anakin was in the same position Luke was in and he gave in but Luke essentially chose to jump to his death rather than join the darkside, he had the guts and courage that Anakin didn't and it's such a subtle beat but you can tell there's a shame there and maybe a bit of pride as well
Atsym Sknyfs
Superstar
Palpatine been watching Anakin since that stuff he did in episode 1 ... Palpatine treated anakin like a son .. hell he even called him son on numerous occasions ... The jedi, in Ani's eyes, where cold and heartless... How can you take him from his mother, let her die, tell him he cant grieve, etc. ... and when they tried to kill his "pops" that was the final straw ....
I can see how the turn was fast but I agree the scene itself where palpatine named him vader and etc was corny ..
If you watch the beginning when Ani is fighting Dooku, you can see Palpatine cheering for anakin..
I can see how the turn was fast but I agree the scene itself where palpatine named him vader and etc was corny ..
If you watch the beginning when Ani is fighting Dooku, you can see Palpatine cheering for anakin..
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mortuus est
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Those first 2 Jedi wore green lightsabers. Green lightsabers are force-minded jedi (Yoda) so maybe that explains why they got that work so fast, but then again they didnt even use the Force so
ive seen this
Atsym Sknyfs
Superstar
Meanwhile Mace's lightsaber is Purple because thats Sam's favorite color ... but in my mind I always said mace flirted with the dark side.. and purple is a mix of blue and red ...
ahomeplateslugger
Superstar
He hustled the fukk out of anakin too.He was all "i know the ways to stop people from dying, blah, blah,blah."
After windu goes out the window
"See the way my force powers are set up.....I'm sure if we work together we can figure out how to keep people alive""
this gave me a good laugh
damaddwebba
Lurker
I think a lot of you are missing some crucial points from 1-3 and how Anakin was gradually manipulated by Paps.
You have to remember that Palpatine helped create Anakin and He help lay the foundation of Anakin's fall from the very beginning. Dropping subtle remarks about how great he can be, how the jedi are holding him back, the jedi are what they seem and things of that nature, embracing fear, using his power to save his love ones and become the savior of the gallaxy.
When Anakin killed Mace, it was because he saw the contradiction of the jedi way and like Palpatine predicted the Jedi would try to find a way (by any means necessary) to take over power. Sure it was just a ploy but by that time Palpatine had already had him. Anakin was his ho and he would do whatever he wanted by way of manipulation. And like any ho, Anakin though he was smarter and more powerful but like always he was playing checkers and Palpatine was playing chest.
You have to remember that Palpatine helped create Anakin and He help lay the foundation of Anakin's fall from the very beginning. Dropping subtle remarks about how great he can be, how the jedi are holding him back, the jedi are what they seem and things of that nature, embracing fear, using his power to save his love ones and become the savior of the gallaxy.
When Anakin killed Mace, it was because he saw the contradiction of the jedi way and like Palpatine predicted the Jedi would try to find a way (by any means necessary) to take over power. Sure it was just a ploy but by that time Palpatine had already had him. Anakin was his ho and he would do whatever he wanted by way of manipulation. And like any ho, Anakin though he was smarter and more powerful but like always he was playing checkers and Palpatine was playing chest.