Anakin saving Palpatine unappreciation thread

[Whitty Hutton]

It low key sounded like Palpatine was flirting with him.

Fred.

Sidious was closing his eyes and moaning like having an orgasm when Anakin bowed down to him and turned himself over to him
"MMMMMMMM the force is STRONG with you!"

George Lucas is such a horrible writer/director. That scene was full of blunders, much like the whole prequel trilogy



-why would Mace Windu go from holding his light saber inches from Sidious' neck to pulling it behind his head for that long exaggerated wind up swing as Anakin is pleading? Just flick your wrist and his head is gone



how does Anakin go from "What have I done??!!!" to "let's hunt all these dudes down" in one minute?

 

[The Devil's Advocate]

Movie was the best out of the new 3, but the other 2 were awful. And yeah, this scene was

No kind of weight to his decision at all. I don't know whether to chalk it up to bad acting, bad writing, or both. Was basically like:

Palpatine: "come join the dark side breh!"

Anakin: :"I dunno, I heard you guys are evil"

Palplatin:

Anakin: "I'm down!"

Me:

Fred.

Actually he was all for taking him to jail.

Then mace said no. We just gonna kill this dude

Anakin was like nah nikka. That's not what jedis do

Emperor was like see. Told you they ain't no different than us. Plus they fronted on you being in the council. You the chosen one homie

Anakin was like ok bet. I'm gonna rule something dammit and keep you alive




But this was all brewing. Anakin said earlier he felt one person should make the choices. And if people didn't like it, they should be forced.

Then his wife and kids was about to die too. He kept seeing the visions. I don't know about y'all. But if a nikka told me my wife and kids was gonna die and he had the power to save them. I might just throw my boss out a window too

 

[The Devil's Advocate]

I think the whole "Joining the darkside" thing
and his quick decision to do so makes sense.
He's basically been groomed by palpatine for over
a decade.
He knows palpatine and thinks he isn't a bad dude,
on top of that palpatine does a lot to appeal to Anakin emotionally
and they have a kind of father/son relationship.
He plays on Anakins fear of loss which I also think
made the decision pretty easy for Anakin.
I think their relationship isn't blatant but it's definitely
stated specifically by Obi-Wan he says "be careful of your friend...."
or something to that effect, so of course their relationship didn't
just come out of nowhere.

Also the fight between Anakin and Obi Wan

I wonder if obi could have taken vader.

Yea obi was older but vader was slow as shyt and clunky now

If he could beat a young prime anakin, I'm sure he could have beat old ass vader.

 

[Atsym Sknyfs]

Actually he was all for taking him to jail.

Then mace said no. We just gonna kill this dude

Anakin was like nah nikka. That's not what jedis do

Emperor was like see. Told you they ain't no different than us. Plus they fronted on you being in the council. You the chosen one homie

Anakin was like ok bet. I'm gonna rule something dammit and keep you alive




But this was all brewing. Anakin said earlier he felt one person should make the choices. And if people didn't like it, they should be forced.

Then his wife and kids was about to die too. He kept seeing the visions. I don't know about y'all. But if a nikka told me my wife and kids was gonna die and he had the power to save them. I might just throw my boss out a window too

But thats the funny thing about the visions ... what anakin saw was what his actions lead to. Padme dying happened because he didnt follow the jedi path .. Sidious knew this and I think he was the one placing those imagines in Anakin's dreams .

 

[The Devil's Advocate]

But thats the funny thing about the visions ... what anakin saw was what his actions lead to. Padme dying happened because he didnt follow the jedi path .. Sidious knew this and I think he was the one placing those imagines in Anakin's dreams .

That's a good theory too. Never thought about sidious being the one placing the visions

I always took it as it was meant to be. Lucas spoke on this too. In the end, it happened exactly as it should have. Anakin killed the emporer, therefore he did fulfill the prophecy. He also was the cause of it, the leader of the opposition, and could have avoided it all. But in the end, he was the savior

 

[Atsym Sknyfs]

That's a good theory too. Never thought about sidious being the one placing the visions

I always took it as it was meant to be. Lucas spoke on this too. In the end, it happened exactly as it should have. Anakin killed the emporer, therefore he did fulfill the prophecy. He also was the cause of it, the leader of the opposition, and could have avoided it all. But in the end, he was the savior

The only reason I said Sidious put them there because how else would he know to use that to manipulate Anakin ... I dont think he told palpatine about them and since he knew about EVERYTHING ... visions and saving those from ding and etc ... it just lead me to think he was putting them there.

Of course everything happened the was it was supposed to ... but the seeds where planted for it to happen differently and to spark debates about if this or that happened etc...

So yes Anakin did bring balance to force by killing the emporer .. but he wasted 40 years and let 100s of jedi die in the process ... but if he did kill palpatine at that moment .. would the jedi have been dictators since they are the only power remaining.

 

[nieman]

Oh yeah, and we can't forget about Palpatine's decade long plan to get rid of the Jedi once and for all. Once they discovered Anakin, he was like "bet, let's set this ish in motion cause he's gonna be the lone Jedi, and my pitbull." Anakin was too old; already stubborn, somewhat arrogant..the Jedi should've stuck to their guns, said no and kept him on the outskirts

 

[Atsym Sknyfs]

Oh yeah, and we can't forget about Palpatine's decade long plan to get rid of the Jedi once and for all. Once they discovered Anakin, he was like "bet, let's set this ish in motion cause he's gonna be the lone Jedi, and my pitbull." Anakin was too old; already stubborn, somewhat arrogant..the Jedi should've stuck to their guns, said no and kept him on the outskirts

But his midichorions (or whatever) where off the chart .. even more than yoda ... he had to be trained...

 

[nieman]

But his midichorions (or whatever) where off the chart .. even more than yoda ... he had to be trained...

I'm sure they have some alternate training for those that are too old. There's a reason those rules are in place

 

[Made Man]

I wonder if obi could have taken vader.

Yea obi was older but vader was slow as shyt and clunky now

If he could beat a young prime anakin, I'm sure he could have beat old ass vader.

I didn't really look at it as Obi beating him...I always thought Anakin beat himself...his arrogance was his downfall. Obi told him not to try that jump but he did it anyway.

 

[DosCadenaz]

fukk Uriel

 

[CHL]

He hustled the fukk out of anakin too.He was all "i know the ways to stop people from dying, blah, blah,blah."

After windu goes out the window

"See the way my force powers are set up.....I'm sure if we work together we can figure out how to keep people alive" "

Anakin to Mace on how immoral it is to kill the most evil **** in the universe: "It's not the jedi way, he must stand trial".

An hour later: massacring dozens of children in the jedi temple.

 

[CHL]

Old ass Palpatine murked 2 Jedi right off the bat like they were some rookies straight out the Jedi academy
like they couldn't send in some real type nikkas

Most jedi's were out fighting the war, those two were the best they still had at the temple.

 

[Killer Instinct]

Funny this thread was bumped.
I enjoy the "tragic hero" trope and I believe Anakin's build to his turn could have been so much more poignant and powerful.
A key element I think would have been tremendous in his turn would be him losing his padawan in the 'Clone Wars' cartoon (who I don't believe had been written into the series until AFTER Lucas filmed Ep 3) to something out of his control in a showdown w/ Dooku/Grievous/affiliated sith.
Thing is, to build that hatred for the Jedi and lust for absolute control, his padawan's death would have had to be indirectly influenced someone the Jedi (Obi-Wan, specifically) let go and was aligned with the opposition.
Could have been a slaver that brokered a deal with the Jedi for his and his families freedom if he led to them Grievous and swore to disappear off the grid and leave that life behind.
Anakin could have wanted to to kill him (in part due the he was working against them in war, and was a slaver - dude was a slave himself, so he would clearly feel some type of way in that regard)
Teenaged padawan he'd come to love over the years dies in his arms and death indirectly caused by the man the Jedi wouldn't allow him to dispose of.
Dude snaps, hunts him down on the battlefield and butchers him while growing increasingly more reckless with his desire to end the war, and as a consequence, loses his "master" rank but is still allowed on the council and asked to spy on Palpatine.
You throw in Padme telling him she's pregnant with his visions of her death and Yoda pretty much being all, "

nikkas die everyday, b," about it and I could have been a lot more sympathetic to dude.
They weren't perfect, but it would have been easier to swallow and understand the whole, "I hate the Jedi and should be making all the pimp decisions," thing.

 

[CHL]

That's a good theory too. Never thought about sidious being the one placing the visions

I always took it as it was meant to be. Lucas spoke on this too. In the end, it happened exactly as it should have. Anakin killed the emporer, therefore he did fulfill the prophecy. He also was the cause of it, the leader of the opposition, and could have avoided it all. But in the end, he was the savior

Palpatine must have had something to do with it, otherwise how did he know about the dreams when they were in the hallway? Anakin never told him.