And for those who don't know, here are the creators of reggaetón:

[SupaDupaFresh]

El General, a black Panamanian artist, is one of the pioneers of reggaeton

Reggaeton is heavily inspired by reggae anyway HENCE THE NAME

Most popular Latino music, including salsa, bachata, cumbia and punta are also inspired by black and African music

Inspired by?

Latinos, moreso than any other people of our diaspora, have retained African musical theory and tradition in modern music. Heavily Polyrhythmic structures, "communal" call and response based songwriting. Latin music is African music with a horn section.

 

[⠀X ⠀]

Surely we don’t think that they bought all those rhythms from Spain...

 

[Brehvity3135]

Inspired by?

Latinos, moreso than any other people of our diaspora, have retained African musical theory and tradition in modern music. Heavily Polyrhythmic structures, "communal" call and response based songwriting. Latin music is African music with a horn section.

Yeh it’s really bizarre use of language lol. I had to explain earlier on here that Africans arrived in DR/PR first pretty much and the reason we aren’t as admixed is because we simply arrived a century/century in a half later plus the difference in colonial systems.

Hispaniola is an example of this.

What they are saying is pretty much these groups don’t adhere to black American racial identities which I still can’t understand why anyone would expect them to. Different systems

 

[Uncouth Savage]

One of the issues with seeing folks as "others" is that those people are possibly FAMILY
whether 4000, 400, or 100 years ago...

As some of my ancestors might have gone to build the panama canal
so have many black americans

just a lil google
"African Americans started arriving on the Canal Zone in the early construction years of 1904–1908. They secured employment as many others did, directly through the various canal recruitment offices in the United States or through contractors doing work in the Canal Zone."

 

[Anton]

This behavior is often associated with white people but the starters of this thread can’t see themselves in this music because it’s in a completely different language and about a culture they most likely different experience wholesale. So this is a way of disparaging it. They can see themselves in the culture by inserting black American racial politics.

But it looks even more crazy because none of them are Panamanian. Lol Sech has songs with Bad Bunny and all the aforementioned superstars of reggaetón. There’s no outrage

“Hispanic culture is based off blacks”

What this really means is “acknowledge me and embrace me as the same, even though we share different cultures, languages and histories”

TLDR version: “I want to fukk your women”

you wanna fukk they women.. thats why you moved to DR

 

[froggle]

It was a combo of El General and Steely and Cleevie. Steely and clevie created the pocoman jam riddim that Dem Bow by Shabba was on. Reggaeton is a variation of that og riddim, hence them coming for the biggest reggaeton song ever.

Jamaican Duo Steely & Clevie Sues Warner & Sony/ATV Over 'Despacito' Copyright Infringement

Legendary Jamaican music duo, Steely and Clevie, files a lawsuit against some of the biggest labels in music for copyright infringement, and one of the

urbanislandz.com

Panamanian's LOVE that 80s dancehall. I visited and they were like

 

[Givethanks]

I've been telling my girl, Dominicans are making better dancehall then Jamaicans now. Idk how Jamaican artist haven't jumped on dembow beats and brought it to another level.

Im thinking because that gunman sound is really big

 

[Curioser]

It was a combo of El General and Steely and Cleevie. Steely and clevie created the pocoman jam riddim that Dem Bow by Shabba was on. Reggaeton is a variation of that og riddim, hence them coming for the biggest reggaeton song ever.

Jamaican Duo Steely & Clevie Sues Warner & Sony/ATV Over 'Despacito' Copyright Infringement

Legendary Jamaican music duo, Steely and Clevie, files a lawsuit against some of the biggest labels in music for copyright infringement, and one of the

urbanislandz.com

Panamanian's LOVE that 80s dancehall. I visited and they were like

Uh isn’t that what I posted earlier…. you wanted to put it in subtitles or something?

 

[K.O.N.Y]

@IllmaticDelta

can you post that video of fbas using the dembow beat

 

[Kasgoinjail]

I've been telling my girl, Dominicans are making better dancehall then Jamaicans now. Idk how Jamaican artist haven't jumped on dembow beats and brought it to another level.

Im thinking because that gunman sound is really big

You is a bloodclaat liad
Respectfully

 

[Givethanks]

You is a bloodclaat liad
Respectfully

Fam it sounds like a whole different genre. Don't get me wrong I rate Squash, prince Swanny, Masicka dem but Dominican dembow sounds like what dancehall should of evolved into. Even Trinidad Dancehall sounds like straight rap.

 

[Kasgoinjail]

Fam it sounds like a whole different genre. Don't get me wrong I rate Squash, prince Swanny, Masicka dem but Dominican dembow sounds like what dancehall should of evolved into. Even Trinidad Dancehall sounds like straight rap.

Trini dancehall is good I like Tafari


My thing with the Hombrehros is that, its not reggae atorrrr
Its Dancehallton
Or
Bashmenton


I listen to mexican reggae and i enjoy it even though mi no hablo español
The melody and tempo are actually soothing just the same as reggae in Jamaica is give or take some instruments


Reggaeton now, is more like a mash up of Zuk/Mento and Dancehall sped up in spanish.

 

[IllmaticDelta]

@IllmaticDelta

can you post that video of fbas using the dembow beat

 

[Sad Bunny]

Don't care. BB better.

 

[IllmaticDelta]

Of course they address racism but what does that have to do with the origins of reggaetón? Are black Panamanians specifically like Sech upset at the direction?

Why is it black Americans business about the direction of a musical genre that has zero cultural or linguistic relation to us?

And I don’t believe we are more conscious than anyone. I don’t even know how you quantify such a thing nor would even want to.

reggaeton has black american musical influences all over it. Reggaeton is actually:

Spanish Dancehall (Jamaican Dancehall filtered through Spanish speaking black like El General ) X American HipHip/Urban music. I've explained this before:





Reggae in Spanish

Edgardo Armando Franco, better known as El General, is a Panamanian former reggae artist[1] considered by some to be one of the fathers of "Reggae Español".[2]During the early 1990s, he was one of the artists who initiated the Spanish-language dancehallvariety of reggae music. Early examples of this were the international and somewhat mainstream songs, “Te Ves Buena” and “Tu Pun Pun”. Both songs, performed in Spanish deejaying style, were very successful in North America. After getting his foot in the door of the commercial market, many other Spanish-language dancehall reggae artists became famous in the mainstream as well.[3] He has a unique, easy to listen to style of dance music and has produced many well-known songs all over Latin America. His musical works have become popular in Latin America over the last few years. This style is called reggae en Español, because he makes dancehall reggae music with Spanish-language lyrics and is an early precursor to reggaeton.

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reggaeton

Often mistaken for reggae or reggae en Español, reggaeton is a younger genre which originated in the clubs of San Juan, Puerto Rico in 1991. It became known as "underground" music, due to its circulation through informal networks and performances at unofficial venues. DJ Playero and DJ Nelson were inspired by hip hop and Latin American music to produce "riddims", the first reggaeton tracks. As Caribbean and African-American music gained momentum in Puerto Rico, reggae rap in Spanish marked the beginning of the Boricuaunderground and was a creative outlet for many young people. This created an inconspicuous-yet-prominent underground youth culture which sought to express itself. As a youth culture existing on the fringes of society and the law, it has often been criticized. The Puerto Rican police launched a campaign against underground music by confiscating cassette tapes from music stores under penal obscenity codes, levying fines and demonizing rappers in the media.[7] Bootleg recordings and word of mouth became the primary means of distribution for this music until 1998, when it coalesced into modern reggaeton. The genre's popularity increased when it was discovered by international audiences during the early 2000s.

Reggaeton - Wikipedia



straight from the mouth of the Ricans that were in Puerto Rico






the difference is modern reggaeton cut down on the dewbow beat and replaced it with trap and house music influences

Reggaeton was dead until they rebooted off of the trap and house influences. The OG reggaeton is dead...they are now going more trappish and that makes their sound more modern and other's are more tropical house (dancehall + deep house).Fat Joe touched on this in his latest Drink Champs when he explained why he hated the OG reggaeton sound from the early to mid 2000's but why he likes what they're doing now with the sound.











Got the receipts via quotes/audio/video straight from the Latinos themselves!

early reggaeton docu where the different artists mention they were doing hiphop in english/spanish before hearing spanish reggae so they carried those influences over to reggaeton after being impacted by Vico C

Spoiler

Vico C on Reggaeton

Vico C describes reggaeton as "essentially hip-hop but with a flavor more compatible to the Caribbean."[4] Though he maintains they are of the same essence, Vico C believes the difference lies in the quintessential music style; the beat or rhythm of the music. [5]

the overt HipHop influence is what distinguished reggaeton from the "reggae in spanish" of El General/panama