TheKongoEmpire
The First Men
What is Brehvity3135 saying? I have him blocked.
And for those who don't know, here are the creators of reggaetón:
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Reggaeton is trash. They did a bad thing
Brehvity3135
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You mean strong affiliation
Black Panamanians are basically Jamaicans who happen to speak spanish; and yes, I clearly remember Jamaicans being mad as sh1t years ago about Latin American Reggaeton acts jacking their steeze (I'm pretty sure you can find many threads on this board with Jamaicans complaining about it). Plus, who says Panamanians have never voiced displeasure about Reggaeton being associated with Ricans?
rest here Panamanian Artists Helped Birth Reggaeton, Then the Industry Left Them Behind
that sh1t has no impact on me but I do find it weird a music w/ no actual Latin American influences outside the language is being marketed as Latin Music.
This is why outsiders should be careful to speak on other groups histories. You parroted an intercultural joke (one that doesn’t include you) between Panamanians and Jamaicans which in this context is just historically wrong.
If it’s a Spanish speaking country black people were brought there first. In the case of Jamaica (used to be a spanish colony) Africans were brought there around the same time as Africans were transported in Panama. But what you’re referring to is late 1800’s migration of Jamaicans, Trinidadians and other English speaking West Indians to Panama. And guess what “no they aren’t just Jamaicans who speak Spanish”Moreover you would know if Panamanians were upset at Puerto Ricans if you actually listened and followed the music. But you don’t and that’s apparent.
Your last point is weird because it’s just whatever country’s sound music. Again that is Black American racial politics inserted into a space that doesn’t call for it.
What does African influence, Latin American influence even mean to groups that live it everyday?
@TheKongoEmpire has me blocked
On a message board? I would never admit to someone having me that pressed over textSupaDupaFresh
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The reason Americans and Caribbeans are not as mixed is because the Spanish crown took a completely different approach to slaves than the British crown. In England, they believed that slaves must be converted to Christianity and denied their true own ethnic identity, but that white and black Christians must be separated and retain their own genetic lineage. In Spain they believed that not only must these Africans be converted to Catholicism, it is in fact their virtuous God-given duty to procreate with them and convert them genetically from being Africans as much as they can as well. Which, as you can imagine, the Spaniards were happy to take on. The English were content with Africans existing as long as they were Christians, loyal to the global domination of the protestant/English Christian church. The Spanish were not content with non-Catholics or Africans existing and felt that genetic conversion was also part of the plan. Sick shyt what our ancestors endured, and yes that includes our ancestors of the Spanish speaking diaspora. The original slave trade.
IllmaticDelta
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This is why outsiders should be careful to speak on other groups histories. You parroted an intercultural joke (one that doesn’t include you) between Panamanians and Jamaicans which in this context is just historically wrong.
Of course I'm aware that Panama had its own native "black" population. I exaggerated the Jamaican point to drive home their impact on Panama's current "black" music as it related to Spanish reggae/reggaeton
Exploitation and a lost legacy - Ole Time Sumting
Jamaicans have had a long history with Panama
oletimesumting.com
Moreover you would know if Panamanians were upset at Puerto Ricans if you actually listened and followed the music. But you don’t and that’s apparent.
Your last point is weird because it’s just whatever country’s sound music. Again that is Black American racial politics inserted into a space that doesn’t call for it.
What does African influence, Latin American influence even mean to groups that live it everyday?
@TheKongoEmpire has me blocked
I just linked you to how some Panamanians felt about Puerto Rican Reggaeton but just in case you want more:
Renato sets it straight: The Panamanian Roots of Reggaetón
istmo.denison.edu/n21/articulos/10-szok_peter_interview_form.pdf
Brehvity3135
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Of course I'm aware that Panama had its own native "black" population. I exaggerated the Jamaican point to drive home their impact on Panama's current "black" music as it related to Spanish reggae/reggaeton
Exploitation and a lost legacy - Ole Time Sumting
Jamaicans have had a long history with Panamaoletimesumting.com
I just linked you to how some Panamanians felt about Puerto Rican Reggaeton but just in case you want more:
Renato sets it straight: The Panamanian Roots of Reggaetón
istmo.denison.edu/n21/articulos/10-szok_peter_interview_form.pdf
I’ve read plenty of Panamanian takes on it and it all comes back to “those guys over there are doing their thing”. Nothing more or less
It still doesn’t answer the question why non Hispanic black Americans are attempting to use Panamanians history and relations regarding reggaeton to disparage Puerto Ricans. And yes that’s what this is about.
None of you are currently supporting actual black Panamanian reggaeton artists and are completely ignoring black PR’s, Dominicans etc who are doing the genre. So it really has nothing to do with the origins of reggaeton. It’s just a dig at some PR’s who falsely claim creation of hip-hop. And an attempt to shyt on these groups because of racial politics in America.
At the end of the day it just doesn’t work. It makes us look collectively pressed and weird. They have their own shyt. And are proud of it.
Even the claim that it’s “African influence” is a weird ass take because their very existence practices their africanism. People are eating foods, dances, etc directly named after their African ancestry. But do you
@The Velvet Soul
Great post! Good depth. I summed it up with different colonial systems
SupaDupaFresh
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What could be an interesting thread on black cultural history and contribution around the world turns into another meaningless "my black are better than your black people" rumble. Later yall.
IllmaticDelta
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More like: "Us Panamanians created it and don't forget! but we have no real beef with the Ricans!"
I don't see any Black American bringing up the Panamanian connection to Reggaeton. I mainly see that from other Latinos/West Indians. As far as I know, the OP is Haitain. If Black Americans make a complaint about Reggaeton, it's gonna be more in relation to the borrowings of BlackAmerican urban musical trappings than anything related to Panama or Jamaica
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Spanish-language singles by Alex Rose, Rauw Alejandro and Paloma Mami, which borrow shrewdly from R&B, are captivating a global audience
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They apparently weren't that proud of their own music if they looked somewhere else for appropriation purposes
I never mentioned anything about their OWN native african influences. I said there is nothing Latin American (I'm talking a specific Rican blend of their own triracial influences) about Reggaeton
Brehvity3135
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The Latin language is the influence
. What are you talking about? Have the slang which you can’t even understand unless you speak Spanish and are heavy in that particular country is the influence. Even I had to ask my friends what the fukk is Angel Dior talking about because the slang is damn near specific to La 42 barrióOnce again you don’t understand the Latin influence so you believe it doesn’t exist.
i don’t talk SJW. Lol at appropriation. You can’t be an adult male talking like this. your beef is personal.
And again this has zero to do with you and your history
.What I’ve learned especially on social media history is not learned to appreciate and bridge gaps. History is learned to disparage and minimize. Mind you this is only coming from certain camps.
ReasonableMatic
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This.
nikkas don’t wanna connect and heal with eachother.
Massa would be proud of his KOONS
IllmaticDelta
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The Latin language is the influence
Latin language isn't anything musical
Once again you don’t understand the Latin influence so you believe it doesn’t exist.
Because it isn't there. All they did was take a Jamaican dancehall riddim but flowed like rappers from hiphop and changed the language from patois or english to Spanish
the words of a man in denial
....then again, you seem to be trying to morph yourself into an ethnicity you don't even belong to And again this has zero to do with you and your history
From what I understand, you're not even Caribbean or Latin American What does it have to do with you?
Brehvity3135
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Latin language isn't anything musical
Because it isn't there. All they did was take a Jamaican dancehall riddim but flowed like rappers from hiphop and changed the language from patois or english to Spanish
the words of a man in denial
From what I understand, you're not even Caribbean or Latin American What does it have to do with you?
Im not the one hurt that a popular musical genre doesn’t include me. The premise of this thread is drenched in that. Lol the Latin language is the influence. To say it’s not is ridiculous. Imagine saying language is not influence.
I know you see the long lines of bad bytches outside of Bad Bunny concerts and feel some type of way
.This isn’t the way to go about it King. You better than this. Imagine getting upset about something you don’t even understand
.There’s more to this than reggaeton, but y’all aren’t ready for that introspection. Let that hurt go. Don’t let them ppl bully you into insanity
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Hispanics or Latino?
IllmaticDelta
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I'm not hurt either but that's not gonna stop me from stating the facts
I know you see the long lines of bad bytches outside of Bad Bunny concerts and feel some type of way
You'll never catch me at a Bad Bunny concert
This isn’t the way to go about it King. You better than this. Imagine getting upset about something you don’t even understand
There’s more to this than reggaeton, but y’all aren’t ready for that introspection. Let that hurt go. Don’t let them ppl bully you into insanity
what's your ethnicity/heritage?
The comment below has me intrigued
Brehvity3135
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I'm not hurt either but that's not gonna stop me from stating the facts
You'll never catch me at a Bad Bunny concert
what's your ethnicity/heritage?
You’re facts and more importantly your usage of them has only exposed the reasons behind this thread. It’s why OP has me on ignore. I’m sure I pulled his Hoe card earlier in another thread and given his background yeh
. I ask questions ppl don’t/can’t answer.You still haven’t answered my initial question, but I already know the answer.
You can’t go to a bad bunny concert like you can’t go to a Sech concert. Lol there’s nothing there for you. You can’t enjoy it because you can’t understand it. You can only talk about it in this context ie shoehorning your identity crisis into it.
That comment is no secret about where I stay and my family
. Once again I pulled his hoe card and the personal insults fly. I’m black American. None of that internet shyt ADOS/FBA. Straight up black American. Ppl here from the beginning
