And for those who don't know, here are the creators of reggaetón:

[IllmaticDelta]

It’s not a flex but he wanted to dismiss my opinion and probably call me a tether but he can’t . I’ve made plenty of points. Acknowledging them would reveal an ugly truth of racial insecurities that y’all not fitting to do lol.

More importantly he didn’t arrive to this point due to genuine scholarship. He arrived to it like the OP and so many of you online nikkas do and that’s personal hurt feelings.

There’s a difference. Y’all have turned into Karen’s attempting to insert yourselves into someone else’s history. And the worst part about it is you don’t even attempt to enjoy it in its current form. ya just want to walk into a colmado with a picture of el general and tell random ppl this is the original . Again who hurt you nikkas? Y’all not even listening to current black Latinos making the music. Again y’all don’t care for it. Because it’s not for you and that’s okay. Part of being a man is understanding not everything is for or about you. I really can’t tell the difference between white women and y’all online. Same behavior

I ain’t never heard a Nigerian, Congolese tell me as a black American about my culture. They just examine the shyt as “ours” because they have “theirs” even when there’s obvious cross pollination. They have enough respect, and culture security to not be an antagonistic weirdo.

Dude, I posted those receipts straight from the sources on both sides: Panamanians and Island Ricans. Again, straight from Vico C



Like I said: I don't do trolling or fake history. I only deal with facts

we all know how Bad Bunny made his name

 

[Uncouth Savage]

For the record.
if an alien came from outer space with ten hands, 25 legs, the color of beige

went to jamaica, performed, and moved the crowd
the alien would be accepted and respected

so no jamaican people would never complain about wite hispanics or blk hispanics doing reggae
or a variation of it

 

[Sindicated]

This behavior is often associated with white people but the starters of this thread can’t see themselves in this music because it’s in a completely different language and about a culture they most likely different experience wholesale. So this is a way of disparaging it. They can see themselves in the culture by inserting black American racial politics.

But it looks even more crazy because none of them are Panamanian. Lol Sech has songs with Bad Bunny and all the aforementioned superstars of reggaetón. There’s no outrage

“Hispanic culture is based off blacks”

What this really means is “acknowledge me and embrace me as the same, even though we share different cultures, languages and histories”

TLDR version: “I want to fukk your women”

I dont get the Black American thing dude is Carribean probably grew up on the music so he might actually know what hes talking about.

 

[Brehvity3135]

Dude, I posted those receipts straight from the sources on both sides: Panamanians and Island Ricans. Again, straight from Vico C



Like I said: I don't do trolling or fake history. I only deal with facts

we all know how Bad Bunny made his name

And everyone on the first page already knew this. There is cross pollination everywhere. But Reggaetón is Reggaetón and hip-hop is hip-hop.

What point are you even making? The origin of this thread and tone is the definition of concern trolling. Once again Jamaicans and Panamanians aren’t pressed. Yet a black American who would undoubtedly call the aforementioned tethers if they had this level of involvement in their politics is. Again why?

You don’t even speak Spanish. You don’t even understand the music

 

[Brehvity3135]

I dont get the Black American thing dude is Carribean probably grew up on the music so he might actually know what hes talking about.

I didn’t debate whether or not what he posted was factual. You need to peep where these threads often end up, and you can see it was meant to disparage and debase the influences of Puerto Ricans. Nothing more or less. Countless ppl agree with me in this thread for that very reason. It’s racial insecurities and concern trolling.

They don’t care about the music which is why in everyone of these threads it’s the same 5 clips of el general. They aren’t listening to those who were adjacent to him and came after in Panama. The usage of “black Panamanians” is only to insult lighter skin Puerto Ricans like Bad Bunny, while simultaneously not putting on the current black Puerto Ricans and Panamanians doing the music.

So ask yourself what is this really about?

 

[DonFrancisco]

Unsurprising, huh?

The story is that Nando Boom and El General come from carribean parents (Panama has a history of immigration). Basically Panama was also a hot bed for hip hop talent and music. Essentially they took hip hop drums and sampling; reggae word play and vibe, and used old salsa records to form Reggeaton.

Panamá has a vibrant and proud Afro-Latino population

 

[Turbulent]

So basically it was the equivalent of a random dancehall riddim spawning a whole genre...

 

[TheKongoEmpire]

The story is that Nando Boom and El General come from carribean parents (Panama has a history of immigration). Basically Panama was also a hot bed for hip hop talent and music. Essentially they took hip hop drums and sampling; reggae word play and vibe, and used old salsa records to form Reggeaton.

Panamá has a vibrant and proud Afro-Latino population

Edgardo Armando Franco nació el 27 de septiembre de 1969, en la ciudad de Panamá. Es hijo de Catalina, una mujer con ascendencia jamaiquina y su padre, Víctor tiene raíces en Trinidad y Tobago. Tiene 5 hermanos y 5 hermanas. A los 12 años, Edgardo empezó a escribir canciones inspirado en la situación social de su barrio y sus propias vivencias, les añadía melodías y luego las grababa en casetes, que después distribuía a los conductores de transporte colectivo para que los pusieran en sus rutas, y así llevar su mensaje a la comunidad. Después de conseguir una beca, el joven artista se trasladó a Estados Unidos para estudiar administración de empresas y pronto se convirtió en un contador profesional. Sin embargo, decidió comenzar una carrera como cantante.


Claro

 

[boriquaking]

Why is it surprising?

 

[Sindicated]

I didn’t debate whether or not what he posted was factual. You need to peep where these threads often end up, and you can see it was meant to disparage and debase the influences of Puerto Ricans. Nothing more or less. Countless ppl agree with me in this thread for that very reason. It’s racial insecurities and concern trolling.

They don’t care about the music which is why in everyone of these threads it’s the same 5 clips of el general. They aren’t listening to those who were adjacent to him and came after in Panama. The usage of “black Panamanians” is only to insult lighter skin Puerto Ricans like Bad Bunny, while simultaneously not putting on the current black Puerto Ricans and Panamanians doing the music.

So ask yourself what is this really about?

Yeah cant lie i noticed dudes where tripping, i got no dog in this fight tho I’ve listened to a lil reggaton old and modern i fukk with some, Latin America is very different from the states so looking at it from that standpoint is going to have you confused.

 

[Treason]

Surprised you didn’t say this instead..

The real originator of reggaeton

 

[BujuBoombastic]

@BujuBoombastic what you think about this fukkery? Of Hispanic people jacking Jamaican music?

Been knew this
Hence the term reggaeton
Many Hispanics don’t give credit to where they get the original beat from or the influence
A few Afro Latinos do though

 

[Curioser]

I do agree with some posters that I think at least some of the critique isn’t fair. Pioneers certainly did acknowledge where the music came from. Actually they used to call it simply Spanish reggae. Also these kids were from the slums and just reusing beats as did the pioneers of hip hop. But they evolved and starting making their own twist. Even though it’s since devolved in my opinion…To me it’s never been a separate genre just rap and reggae in Spanish.

 

[IllmaticDelta]

Of course I'm aware that Panama had its own native "black" population. I exaggerated the Jamaican point to drive home their impact on Panama's current "black" music as it related to Spanish reggae/reggaeton

Exploitation and a lost legacy - Ole Time Sumting

Jamaicans have had a long history with Panama

oletimesumting.com

I just linked you to how some Panamanians felt about Puerto Rican Reggaeton but just in case you want more:

Renato sets it straight: The Panamanian Roots of Reggaetón​

istmo.denison.edu/n21/articulos/10-szok_peter_interview_form.pdf

here goes a recent interview with renato (panamanian of jamaican roots)



To paraphrase what he said: "I understand the Jamaicans (Buju in this case), we (as in Panamanians) didn't steal anything from Jamaica. Our heritage (he's talking the black panamanians like himself and el general) are from jamaican roots! we just did Dancehall in Spanish. Buju/Jamaicans really have beef with Puerto Ricans, not Panamanians"

this chick doing the interview is Panamanian




and some of the comments on her video from Puerto Ricans and Panamanians actually hit on the difference that I've already explained between Panamanian "Reggae en Espanol" and Island Ricans "Reggaeton"

Rich the Military​

1 year ago
Reggaeton is rap in Spanish from Puerto Rico on top of a Jamaican beat. Jamaican reggae is reggae in English and Panamanian reggae is reggae in Spanish. The difference with Puerto Rico is the rap in Spanish on top of the reggae rhythms. That's why it's not called the same and it's called reggaeton and only we have known how to do it better. Greetings from Puerto Rico.

edwin war​

1 year ago
Hi, just to clarify. Spanish reggae is not reggaeton. Spanish reggae is just singing in spanish a regge/dancehall song that was originally in english; what we did in Panama is just to sing in spanish the same songs. Reggaeton is a mixture created by Puerto Rico of rap + spanish reggae/dancehall and the use of the beat of a song from jamaican artist Shabba Ranks called Dem Bow that became popular in Puerto Rico thanks to the spanish version of this song by Nando Boom (the real beat name is Pouder) they modified this beat slightly until it became "REGGAETON", even this name was a creation of Puerto Rico musical producers. In Panama we called all the music we created based on reggae/dancehall as "REGGAE EN ESPAÑOL = SPANISH REGGAE". Based on this, Mark Myrie's (Buju Banton) point of view is not correct; we didn't steal their music/culture, it arrived Panama because of the caribbean people that came for the Panama Canal construction as well as Soca, Ska, Calypso, Konpa and some other musical rhythms and we translate these songs to spanish, it evolved and we created our own songs in spanish but using their same instrumental versions. Puerto Ricans did the same, they adopted our spanish reggae and their young guys in the mid 80's started singing or rapping using that same beat "pouder" as the base for their songs and started calling it "REGGAETON", obviously it has evolved and turned to be popular and a commercial success. I think Buju is also wrong when he says there was no invitation to collaborate between reggaeton artists and jamaican artists, seems he doesn´t know that Beenie Man or Shaggy has recorded some songs with puerto rican reggaeton artists. Also Buju is wrong when he consider El General (Edgardo Franco) a reggaeton singer, as I said before what we used to do in the past is to sing spanish reggae (translate a reggae/dancehall song from english to spanish) and that's what El General did. The last thing I should said is that we have a lot of respect for jamaican reggae/dancehall and their artists, even our country is one of the markets that consumes reggae/dancehall music and receives a lot of their artists shows (including Buju). With all the respect Buju deserves, but I think his opinon lacks of the correct information and is not considering that music regardless of genre is always in a process of evolution.


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Eli VO​

1 year ago (edited)
Reggaeton as we know it started out in Puerto Rico as Underground by combining reggae-en-Español (Jamaican dancehall made en Panama; due to import of Jamaica to work on the panama canals) and New York hip hop (lots of Puerto Rican en NY). This hip hop element is what separates reggaeton, along with house/electronic elements (house was Growing in popularity in the US) from Panamanian dancehall...now reggaeton has been made into pop music...

 

[Kasper KArr]

Shoutout to all my WAWAWAs in this thread. And ya cats fighting smh this is a dope thread concept to learn from and nikkas fighting 🫤

Anyways. Light a blunt, sip that Brugal, and grab your lady and bump these shyt






Shoutout to my nikkas going to DR in Dec