RealAssanova
Vagitarian
Me too..I need to get back on my deen
Cotdman imagin flying straight into mountain
I wonder if they felt pain
i don't wanna imagine fam
Another Plane Down. 148 passengers presumed dead. Co-pilot crashed on purpose.
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i don't wanna imagine fam
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/26/world/europe/germanwings-airbus-crash.html?_r=0
That's really weird. How is a pilot going to be locked out of a cockpit? That's suspect as hell.
That's really weird. How is a pilot going to be locked out of a cockpit? That's suspect as hell.
- Airlines do not teach pilots to fly. All pilots have their commercial flying license before they are hired by an airline. They are at least 21 years of age, probably have a college education (most likely an advanced degree), in excellent health, perfect 20/20 vision, and accumulated more than 3,000 hours of flight time.
- Pilots are professionals. Pilots strive to give you (the passenger) the smoothest flight possible with little or no turbulence because that’s how they know they are doing a good job.
- Commercial pilots are boring people. Before Airlines hire a pilot, the pilot must take rigorous psychological tests to ensure he/she is a conservative person who is detailed oriented and takes little or no risks in life. Nice people, but boring
- Pilots often go a full career without ever experiencing an engine failure.
- Airplanes can fly safely to their destination if one engine fails. If flying on a two engine plane, one engine went out, the aircraft could fly with just one. In three engine planes, they could fly with just two. In four engine planes, they could fly with three.
- If all engines were to stop at cruising height (35,000 feet) an aircraft can glide for 30 minutes before it lands on the ground. With the ability to glide 120 miles because all the controls work as if the engines were still going.
- No flying bird can stop a jet engine. During the testing phase of jet engines, testers throw whole chickens through the jet engines to ensure they maintain full functionality.
- Jet engines cost an average of $11,000,000.
- Airplanes are built on the highest safety bidders. NASA Astronauts fly to space on a spacecraft that is built with equipment from the lowest price bidders, pilots and passengers fly on aircrafts that are built with equipment from the bidders with the highest level of safety.
- Brand new plane every 4 or 5 years. Because of rigorous maintenance of aircrafts, a typical American commercial aircraft will be completely overhauled every 4 or 5 years through repairs and maintenance.
- Back up, back up, back up. Every commercial airplane system is built with a primary, auxiliary, back-up, and emergency system (four systems) to ensure the safety of passengers.
- Most planes can land in 0/0 visibility (heavy fog) because a) most runways are equipped with an electronic glide slope b) pilots are trained to do so c) planes are equipped with low-visibility landing equipment.
- Ice is safe because of modern “deicing” practices a) new warm water and glycol deicing fluid used as of 1993 b) post-deicing, planes are coated with fluid to keep ice from forming c) the time between deicing and takeoff has been reduced.
- Our modern electronics and computers make 0/0 (fog, etc.) visibility landings possible.
- Ground proximity warning system (GPWS) is aboard every commercial airplane. If the plane is coming dangerously close to the ground, a female voice states “Pull up, pull” and warns the pilot.
- As a back up to air traffic control system, every commercial airplane has traffic and collision avoidance system (TCAS) to monitor and avoid airplanes in the vicinity of the aircraft.
- Weather radar is abroad every commercial airplane, and the pilots are trained on how to interpret the radar, so they can avoid thunderstorms and other potentially dangerous weather conditions.
- Lightning may strike an aircraft, but because the aircraft is not connected to the ground, thelightning simply “passes through” the aircraft leaving the passengers and aircraft completely safe.
- There is no such thing as an “air pocket”. An “air pocket” is a figment of the reporter’s mind. The term “air pocket” was coined during World War I by a journalist trying to describe air turbulence. There is no such thing.
- Aircrafts can survive the strongest air turbulence, even that of thunderstorms. Check out “Hurricane Hunters”, they chase and fly through hurricanes, and the aircraft stays completely intact.
- Aircrafts can fly through thunderstorms, but never do. Commercial aircrafts are designed to fly right through thunderstorms, of course this never happens because it is illegal for the pilots to do, so instead they fly as far around them as possible and are only allowed to come 20 miles from the core of the storm.
- Enough fuel. Aircrafts legally must have enough fuel on board to go to their destination, make a missed approach to land, fly to their most distant alternate landing, hold for 30 minutes and land with 10% of their en route fuel still in their tanks.
- Commercial aircrafts below 29,000 feet are required to be spaced 1,000 feet apart vertically and 3 to 20 miles apart horizontally.
- Commercial aircrafts above 29,000 feet are required to be spaced 2,000 feet apart vertically and 10 or more miles apart horizontally.
- A “near miss” is categorized as aircrafts which come within 1000 feet of each other. Are planes 900 feet apart in danger of colliding? No.
- Eastbound flight courses are on odd altitudes and westbound flights are on even altitudes. For example, if a westbound flight is flying at 26,000 feet, and an eastbound flight would be flying at 25,000 feet to maintain the minimal distance of 1,000 feet.
- All luggage for US domestic and international flights are x-rayed. Most international airports also perform a full search of your luggage.
- Almost every commercial airline airport in America is equipped with the latest CAT (x-ray) scanner and sophisticated image processing software to automatically screen checked baggage for explosives.
- If an x-rayed item is suspicious the security attendant quickly swipes a cloth over the device and places the cloth on the sniffer. The “chemical sniffer” analyzes the cloth for any trace residue of the types of chemicals used to make bombs.
- Just a month after the 9/11 attacks, the Transportation Security Administration (TSA) was formed to as part of the Department of Homeland Security to prevent attacks on airports or aircraft.
- Most commercial airline airports have doubled and tripled their security measures preventing people to enter their premises with better fences and security patrols.
- Post 9/11, the airline pilots are locked into the cockpit and cannot open the door for anyone.
- According to the NY Times, of the 760 million passengers who flew on commercial airlines from the United States in all of 2006, 760 million passengers flew and lived with a zero fatality rate. Get it... flying is safe!
Chrishaune
Veteran
Think about that. The pilot, or somebody, was knocking on the door and trying to get into the cockpit for at least 8 minutes before they crashed. Everybody knew they were going down by that time. The only thing is once they hit the mountain they were dead. No pain essentially. That's ruthless if the person inside the cockpit did it on purpose. This world is more and more 
by the day.
by the day.The fukkery just hit an all time high 
RealAssanova
Vagitarian
people should not speculate so quick. The picture below is from the lower panel of the A320 cockpit on the captains side.
if the lock was set in the "norm" position, the pilot outside would've been able to access the cockpit either by a code or another method. However, if it was in the "lock" position, the pilot would've been unable to enter the cockpit, regardless of his/her efforts.
Now, here's the thing. If it was indeed switched into "lock", what was the reason? SOP's, the pilot inside having an ulterior motive or he/she just became incapcitated and therefore was unable to switch to "unlock"?
there is also the element of mechanical failure on the part of the lock/switch too.
In the USA, per FAA regulations, whenever a pilot leaves the flight deck, a fellow crew member must replace him/her for however long they are away from the controls. This rule unfortunately is not universal.
by the sound of it, door was locked. Now whether it was locked due to a mechanical failure in the system, for procedural, suicidal reasons, or for procedural coupled with medical incapcitation, we'll have to wait and see.
if the lock was set in the "norm" position, the pilot outside would've been able to access the cockpit either by a code or another method. However, if it was in the "lock" position, the pilot would've been unable to enter the cockpit, regardless of his/her efforts.
Now, here's the thing. If it was indeed switched into "lock", what was the reason? SOP's, the pilot inside having an ulterior motive or he/she just became incapcitated and therefore was unable to switch to "unlock"?
there is also the element of mechanical failure on the part of the lock/switch too.
In the USA, per FAA regulations, whenever a pilot leaves the flight deck, a fellow crew member must replace him/her for however long they are away from the controls. This rule unfortunately is not universal.
by the sound of it, door was locked. Now whether it was locked due to a mechanical failure in the system, for procedural, suicidal reasons, or for procedural coupled with medical incapcitation, we'll have to wait and see.
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the cac mamba
Veteran
Don't be so quick to believe the stories. There are no official reports yet. Just like in the states, if a pilot leaves the cockpit one of the flight attendants has to go inside. There is a way to get into the cockpit even if nobody answers... Well, unless someone denies entry from the inside. If that was the case there will be a clear signal on the voice recorder.
Blackrogue
Superstar
I'm actually a pilot and im in a plane everyday. Accidents can happen anywhere, in a car or in a plane or anything. Being afraid is doing yourself a disservice. You accept the situation and try and minimise the bad outcomes.
I'd rather be in a plane at a high altitude where it's not decompressing than in a car. Cause a car the accident or impact happens in that exact moment. In a plane all that extra height gives you time to try and avoid death. For all the aircraft crashes there's been many avoided.
For those who say they don't know people who have survived aircraft accidents, I do. It's called controlled crashing. You fukk up the plane but as long as you survive you don't give a shyt about th expensive equipment you just ruined.
I wont speculate about the cause of the accident but those interested there's a huge thread on it at pprune.org done by pilots. Of course that thread also attracts none pilots who have their own opinions. But so far the minimum I know is the plane made a controlled descent to the minimum sector altitude possibly through auto pilot. Why they descended I don't know. Did they have oxygen masks on? I'm not sure. But incidents like this make people change emergency procedures and improve chances of surviving the next similar case
I'd rather be in a plane at a high altitude where it's not decompressing than in a car. Cause a car the accident or impact happens in that exact moment. In a plane all that extra height gives you time to try and avoid death. For all the aircraft crashes there's been many avoided.
For those who say they don't know people who have survived aircraft accidents, I do. It's called controlled crashing. You fukk up the plane but as long as you survive you don't give a shyt about th expensive equipment you just ruined.
I wont speculate about the cause of the accident but those interested there's a huge thread on it at pprune.org done by pilots. Of course that thread also attracts none pilots who have their own opinions. But so far the minimum I know is the plane made a controlled descent to the minimum sector altitude possibly through auto pilot. Why they descended I don't know. Did they have oxygen masks on? I'm not sure. But incidents like this make people change emergency procedures and improve chances of surviving the next similar case
http://www.theguardian.com/world/li...press-conference-live-updates-4u9525#comments
It's confirmed. The pilot purposely locked the other co pilot out of the cockpit and flew the aircraft into the mountain. They say he sounded calm the whole time while he descended. The passengers only knew something was wrong a minute before the crash, the investigators heard the screams from the passengers a minute before the crash. Some are claiming this may be a terrorist attack
It's confirmed. The pilot purposely locked the other co pilot out of the cockpit and flew the aircraft into the mountain. They say he sounded calm the whole time while he descended. The passengers only knew something was wrong a minute before the crash, the investigators heard the screams from the passengers a minute before the crash. Some are claiming this may be a terrorist attack
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RealAssanova
Vagitarian
speechless. For a mid 20's pilot who had a future ahead of him, to go ahead and do this? 
that dude's soul was gone wayyy before he entered into that cockpit.
that dude's soul was gone wayyy before he entered into that cockpit.