Anthony Davis without Lebron

[Osmosis]

Brons play style holds people back. Not an equal opportunity offense at all and not effective at all if you weigh win percentages in the finals. Hes lucky to always be surrounded by hall of famers . If he didnt start the super team era he’d have zero rings tbh.

If the fallacy that he made his teammates better was true Westbrook and AD would play great WITH him.

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A good 80% of Kobe stans are retarded

 

[LexDiamonds]

The difference is where he's getting his points. He's down in the paint more often with Lebron out, With Lebron he's standing around the three point line. We know Lebron hates playing with post players as it can clog the lane when he wants to drive. When Lebron comes back I'd like to see more AD in the paint with more Lebron cutting or just staying outside to hit threes if teams double AD. He shoots the three good enough that'll allow him to still get his numbers without exerting as much effort.

You are right about him in the paint, but not for the reasons you suspect.

2019-20 - He shot 48% of his FG in the paint
2020-21 - He shot 39% of his FG in the paint
2021-22 - He shot 53% of his FG in the paint
This year - 67 % of his shots are in the paint. (68% of his shots are in the paint WITH Lebron vs 64% of his shots without Lebron)

In previous years he played the bulk of his minutes with Lebron at the 4. He always started next to centers who clogged up the lane. McGee/Howard/Gasol/Drummond/Deandre/Howard again. At the 5 he has much more room to operate in the paint.

He is however, shooting just under 60% on the season without Lebron vs only 53% with him. That could be in part due to the weaker schedule they have played recently. We will see how things go when Lebron makes his return Friday.

 

[Left.A1]

LeBron has to stop jacking up them dumb ass 3s and pounding the ball so much …other than that this is a perfect opportunity for them to turn this season around

 

[Trojan 24]

Apparently all those experts didn't watch ball because every single one of them picked the Lakers to beat the Mavs. No one was talking about the Lakers peaking early at that time. It was only afterwards the Kobe stans made the Peaked after the all-star game crap to excuse Kobe's shyt performance vs. the Mavs. The Lakers were the favorites in the 2011 playoffs. That's a fact. Read the article I posted. Vegas had the Lakers as the favorite.

You don't seem to understand what I'm saying, that Lakers team and Kobe simply were not good enough. They were running on fumes and 3 years going to the finals caught up to them like it does everyone. You never see the end till it's there, if you actually followed one team you'd know that. They was flabby and sick. Actually if Covid popped off then and they got a 3 month break Mid-Season Goatbe probably has 6 chips

 

[Rekkapryde]

Bron ball had me thinking this man was washed

I smell another agenda.

But THIS is the AD the LWO wants!!!

nikka has been playing lights out.

 

[GoldenGlove]

AD auditioning for Chicago right now.

 

[Swagnificent]

Miami Heat record without Lebron: 9-9

Cavs without Lebron during 2nd stint: 4-23

If they were stacked super teams, why were they so bad without him???

Because he dominates the ball so much and reduces everyone else to being spot up shooters. When he goes out of the lineup and players have to go back to their natural roles it takes time for them to build up a rhythm once again. If you ever played sports you would know how huge continuity and repetition are to performing at a high level.

It's why Kobe and MJ's teams never fell off when they missed a few games in a season. Kobe and MJ didn’t need the players around them to change their games for them to be effective. So guys played to their strengths both when they were in the lineup and when they were out. Thus they didn't need to go back and forth playing different roles needing to rebuild their rhythm.

 

[Swagnificent]

A good 80% Kobe stans are retarded and 90% are homos

When one has no logical counter arguments in a debate they resort to ad-hominem attacks like this.

 

[NoMorePie]

It's clear that LeBron needs ad. Ad does not need LeBron

Once LeBron returns ad is gonna go back to averaging like 18/8 and standing in a corner

 

[Swagnificent]

I love how Lakers fans can get into revisionist history. The Heat weren't supposed to win the 2011 finals. The Lakers were the favorites that year.

False. The Heat were the preseason favorites. Check the link below:

2010-11 NBA Preseason Odds | Basketball-Reference.com

The preseason over/under for wins the that year for the Heat was 64.5 games. An insane total. While for the Lakers it was only 56.5 wins. Sure, after the season started and everyone saw how bad LeBron made Wade and Bosh the odds changed. But before the season the Heat were the clear favorites.

I think it's you who forgot and is trying to engage in revisionist history. Before the 2010-11 season some in the media were even predicting the Heat would win 73+ games. Everyone thought they were gonna be a juggernaut. Which is why everyone to this day still talks about the Heat era ultimately being a disappointment because they only one 2 out of 4.

 

[Osmosis]

That's the great thing about stacking a team. Even if your team plays at less than their full potential they can still win.

Everyone knows the Heat should have won 4 straight titles during the Heatles era. But because LeBron made Wade and Bosh worse they only won 2 out of 4. Put prime Kobe on that team and they win 4 out of 4 without breaking a sweat.

Kobe won 3 rings in 8 seasons with prime Shaq. Wade's fukked up knee made him shell of himself by the end of the Heatles run while Shaq was the best player in the league throughout his Laker career. Shaq won a ring with Kobe averaging 15 PPG on 36 FG% in the finals and lost to a Pistons team with no superstars because of pure sabotage from Kobe.

 

[Swagnificent]

this is revisionist history. When the smoke cleared and Mavs/Heat were the actual two teams left standing, yea we were heavy favorites to win.

No need to bring up the Finals. He's ignoring the PRESEASON ODDS. Before the season started the Heat were the heavy favorites to win the title. It was only after everyone saw how bad LeBron made Wade and Bosh look that the playoff odds got revised.

His argument was fallacious from the start. Everyone who remembers that era knows before that season started most thought they were gonna be a 70 win juggernaut. It was only after they looked like trash to start that people began to question whether they got figure it out. But before the season everyone just looked at their talent level and assumed they would do what the 2016-17 Warriors ultimately did which was run rough shot over the league.

 

[Swagnificent]

Apparently all those experts didn't watch ball because every single one of them picked the Lakers to beat the Mavs. No one was talking about the Lakers peaking early at that time. It was only afterwards the Kobe stans made the Peaked after the all-star game crap to excuse Kobe's shyt performance vs. the Mavs. The Lakers were the favorites in the 2011 playoffs. That's a fact. Read the article I posted. Vegas had the Lakers as the favorite.

The argument here is LeBron makes his teammates worse hence the reason the 2011 Heat chocked. The Heat not being favorites in the playoffs after the entire regular season was played doesn't disprove that. They were the preseason favorites. It was only after everyone saw how bad LeBron made Wade and Bosh that the odds changed.

You're actually proving our point right now and you don't even notice it.

 

[MyApps]

The difference is where he's getting his points. He's down in the paint more often with Lebron out, With Lebron he's standing around the three point line. We know Lebron hates playing with post players as it can clog the lane when he wants to drive. When Lebron comes back I'd like to see more AD in the paint with more Lebron cutting or just staying outside to hit threes if teams double AD. He shoots the three good enough that'll allow him to still get his numbers without exerting as much effort.

Ahhhhh.

So in other words, Lebron needs to play off ball more.

That's an interesting concept.

 

[2legit]

No need to bring up the Finals. He's ignoring the PRESEASON ODDS. Before the season started the Heat were the heavy favorites to win the title. It was only after everyone saw how bad LeBron made Wade and Bosh look that the playoff odds got revised.

His argument was fallacious from the start. Everyone who remembers that era knows before that season started most thought they were gonna be a 70 win juggernaut. It was only after they looked like trash to start that people began to question whether they got figure it out. But before the season everyone just looked at their talent level and assumed they would do what the 2016-17 Warriors ultimately did which was run rough shot over the league.

Heavy favorites? Wtf are you talking about. Look at the link you posted. The Lakers had nearly the same odds as the Heat.

Heat +175
Lakers +250

2017 Warriors -128

The Lakers are a bigger disappointment that season. They got swept in the 2nd round compared to the Heat losing in the finals

The preseason over/under for wins the that year for the Heat was 64.5 games. An insane total. While for the Lakers it was only 56.5 wins. Sure, after the season started and everyone saw how bad LeBron made Wade and Bosh the odds changed. But before the season the Heat were the clear favorites.

LeBron made Wade worse? Did you watch any games? Wade's numbers were damn near identical with LeBron as they were the year before. He went from 27 PPG to 26 PPG with LeBron on better shooting numbers.