Anybody Ever Watch New Japan?

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I just got back into wrestling and I remember how back in the day a lot of my favorite wrestlers like Great Muta, Masahiro Chono, Jushin "Thunder" Liger and Ultimo Dragon used to wrestle there. I even heard that a lot of American wrestlers (even guys like Hogan) used to wrestler there.

Plus, I heard that pro wrestling in Japan is like football is in America and that their big show is like our Super Bowl over here is.

So, has anybody from over here ever gotten an opportunity to watch the shows they put on and how are they?

How do they compare with WWE/WCW/ECW and American companies?

Do you think it could become popular here?
 

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I remember in Jericho's book, he was talking about how the Japanese fans would watch silently, the applaud for performed moves, and how they would "oooo" and "ahhhh" at special shyt.

Wrestling is not booked like that here, and the fans are not bred for that type of spectating. That's probably why it would never be like it is in Japan.
 

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I just got back into wrestling and I remember how back in the day a lot of my favorite wrestlers like Great Muta, Masahiro Chono, Jushin "Thunder" Liger and Ultimo Dragon used to wrestle there. I even heard that a lot of American wrestlers (even guys like Hogan) used to wrestler there.

Foreigners wrestling in Japan is one of the staples of puroresu. For decades, the "local guy vs gaijin (foreigner)" feud/match was what drew the most money in that country. It wasn't until the 80's were other forms of feuds and rivalries began to draw big as well. So yes, almost every big US star went to Japan because they were paid a lot of money to work fewer dates than in the states, be respected and protected. Guys like Lou Thesz and Karl Gotch were fundamental for wrestling in the Japan taking off and from then on, all the "names" made a trip to the island to make some good money.

Plus, I heard that pro wrestling in Japan is like football is in America and that their big show is like our Super Bowl over here is.

It's not nearly as popular as football is in the US. Baseball is Japan's n°1 sport, Sumo takes n°2 and Wrestlings is n° 3. Nowadays is a distant 3rd as most of the business is in the shytter, most companies barely make any money and are forced to do shows in small buildings except 1 or 2 times a year. New Japan and Dragon Gate are the exception. If you'd like to know why that happened I and other would be happy to explain it to you, but there's an official thread were more people could take notice of your questions.

New Japan's big event is the January 4th Tokyo Dome show and even though is by far the most important show of the year, it's not even close to a Super Bowl feel. You can say it's their Wrestlemania though. But honestly, every promotion has it's yearly "big Wrestlemania-like" show. When business was booming, they used big buildings like the Tokyo Dome (or other baseball stadiums) but now that hard times are upon them, they use smaller places like Sumo Hall (11,000 capacity).

So, has anybody from over here ever gotten an opportunity to watch the shows they put on and how are they?

How do they compare with WWE/WCW/ECW and American companies?

A lot of us watch/have watched puroresu. We have an official thread, there's some interesting stuff in there http://www.thecoli.com/threads/japanese-wrestling-discussion-news.33877/

They are pretty different. Weekly TV shows are nothing alike US wrestling, you very rarely get an in ring segment or an important promo. Honestly, if a puroresu show makes air it's because it's either a house show to build up a big show, or a big show itself.

The first matches are normally filler or lower card feuds and the matches are treated as such - not a lot of time, not a lot of crowd heat, may have a few comedy spots to pop the fans - and almost never steal the show. But once you get to the top 3-4 matches, you'll get quality that you'll never get in the US (if you like japanese wrestling style, you gotta consider not everyone likes it).

Depending on the Era you are watching (80's, 90's, 00's, 10's) the quality of the show varies. Cards from the 90's are mostly outstanding with most companies having 1 or 2 great matches in all their big shows.

Do you think it could become popular here?

Nope. The language barrier will always be the downfall of puroresu in the US. As much as people who watch it rave about the in ring quality, the truth is the majority of the audience wont watch a show or spend money on a product solely based on in ring action.

Even New Japan, that lately has had more buzz than in the last 17-20 years, barely gets a couple of hundreds non-japanese buys for their iPPVs. They toured the US a couple of years ago and had mediocre gates at best. You put their product on US TV and no one but the most hardcore of hardcore fans will watch it, and that's not enough.
 

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I remember in Jericho's book, he was talking about how the Japanese fans would watch silently, the applaud for performed moves, and how they would "oooo" and "ahhhh" at special shyt.

Wrestling is not booked like that here, and the fans are not bred for that type of spectating. That's probably why it would never be like it is in Japan.

Even though your average japanese crowd will react that way, they will lose their shyt if something is special or they feel it's a big time feud. A hot japanese crowd (which is not as unlikely as most american wrestlers make it seem) is better than 95% of any US crowd. Them japs will chant, clap, scream, "oohh" and "ahhh" for 20 minutes and make a match feel really fukking special :yes:
 

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Even though your average japanese crowd will react that way, they will lose their shyt if something is special or they feel it's a big time feud. A hot japanese crowd (which is not as unlikely as most american wrestlers make it seem) is better than 95% of any US crowd. Them japs will chant, clap, scream, "oohh" and "ahhh" for 20 minutes and make a match feel really fukking special :yes:
Not to mention when the announcers lose their minds over a false finish it pops everyone watching at home.
 

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I'd like to get more into it but unfortunately don't know if I need to watch weekly shows. I dont even know how to watch weekly shows. I feel like I'll be missing out just watching Ppvs. Thankfully language barrier is non issue for me and read what they're saying. I tried to watch Wrestle Kingdom last year and it was like 6 hours long. How the fukk do you guys watch that?
 

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It's not nearly as popular as football is in the US. Baseball is Japan's n°1 sport, Sumo takes n°2 and Wrestlings is n° 3. Nowadays is a distant 3rd as most of the business is in the shytter, most companies barely make any money and are forced to do shows in small buildings except 1 or 2 times a year. New Japan and Dragon Gate are the exception. If you'd like to know why that happened I and other would be happy to explain it to you, but there's an official thread were more people could take notice of your questions.

Can you go into what happened? I haven't watched puroresu in a few years. Is AJPW struggling?
 

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I wish I still had volumes 1 & 2 that RF Video put out of the Best of Chris Benoit in Japan. :ohlawd:
 

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But on another note, the more I watch it, I wonder why an emerging promotion doesn't try to go this type of route, rather than attempting to compete with Vince by being WWE/WCW Lite. At no point watching this, do I get the "this shyt is fake" feeling that non wrestling fans are turned off by. With MMA being what it is, I can see the vibe of this kind of promotion getting over. Dudes actually kicking the shyt out of each other and working stiff, dim arenas and different camera angles, giving it a boxing feel, the belts meaning more, tournaments.

It feels like a sport. I even got my girl watching with me. They could find a way to incorporate storylines also, in the vein of like a cable drama, as opposed to just old school wrestling angles. Seems like we're in the realism area of society right now, so not saying it would topple the WWE, but there may be a market for it.
 

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Can you go into what happened? I haven't watched puroresu in a few years. Is AJPW struggling?

Yeah All Japan is really struggling. They were bought by a company who ended up causing a schism on the roster, Keiji Mutoh was out of the presidency and soon after out of the company taking along a group of wrestlers (he soon create a new promotion, Wrestle-1). All Japan was lucky that Jun Akiyama and his crew left NOAH and signed with them because without them they would probably be out of business by now.

I'ma try to give you the short version of it because I could be writing until tomorrow to explain what happened :laugh: but basically, there were 2 big reasons.

1) The rise of MMA and TV stations no longer giving wrestling a prime time slot. In the 90's, most promotions already had shytty time slots but there were a couple of promotions who still held on to good slots, besides business was booming so it wasn't so important. The rise of MMA was big because in Japan, the lines are VERY blurred between wrestling and mixed martial arts, so when people started taking the "real fighting" more seriously, the "fake fighting" just didn't have the same appeal, business was exposed in that sense. Also, in the case of New Japan, the obsession by Antonio Inoki to combine puro and MMA meant giving the top spots to performers than either sucked or weren't good enough to carry a company. So puroresu was left with a business who had very little outlets to promote themselves, a product who wasn't as good as years prior, and a product who took a big hit when MMA became it's competition.

2) The new generation was never able to surpass the old one. The main reasons are the ones stated above. They didn't have the same TV exposure as their predecessors and they weren't seen as "legit" as MMA fighters. It didn't help matters that, in the case of New Japan, you had morons booking professional wrestlers against legit fighters in shoots and worked shoots. Besides Yoshihiro Takayama, no one came out looking good. The quality of the product wasn't as good too so there were no real new starts. Promotions like All Japan and NOAH hanged on past reputation and whatever drawing power their old stars had. Bad booking decisions didn't help matters either (specially in the case of NOAH).

I'm sure the economic crisis Japan had didn't help either. It's like the industry took a 3-4 very big hits that has never been able to recover from.
 

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Wild Pegasus :evil:

That Black Tiger II match for the semis of the 96' BOSJ remains one of the best matches I've ever seen. How they made that crowd care was :ohlawd:

His Pegasus Kid run was piff too. The Liger feud had lots of very good matches and there are a couple of matches against Owen Hart that were fire too :whew:
 
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