Sat at a bar with a few homies last night and discussed the various plot points. Speculated that Bartosz is probably Noah.
Yo....I wasn't even thinking of that and why he had such an interest in him besides his grandmother being the light or whatever
2 friends turn enemies turn friends AGAIN grown up except one is still planning on screwing over the other AGAIN

It's a paradox breh. All that stuff has already happened.No one has broken the loop yet if I'm not mistaken.
How SwayI love the atmosphere, music, production value, dread and menace, and wet German rain soaked forests, but 2 episodes in, and I have little motivation to continue. I just feel like I have seen this so many times now, complete with the episodic glimpses of the killer or whatever, in the room, the adults are all having affairs, everyone is tortured and grief stricken, it feels like a chore to watch.

,@hex did you unsticky before you even watched it? :Jimmy:
got my parents watching this, they in their 60s and loving this show. Universal appeal 
How is it breh? Was hesitant because it's in German.I started it but I have a habit of leaving shows stickied until I finish them and I'm already behind on "Black Mirror".
Fred.
How is it breh? Wast hesitant because it's in German.

There are three worm holes, past, present and future. Anyone could be anyone else from another time line. Noah could be one of the kids in the presents kids, hell it could be Bartosz kid or grandkid.Piff piff piff
I don't think Bartosz is Noahbecause Noah been around at least 15 years in 1953. Unless there's more wormholes (which we do kind of know there is now, since Jonas got sent to the future).
He's Jonas' great grandfather.
Bartosz probably plays a part in the future war tho.
Season could be time wars, niccaz chasing each other through wormholes and shyt