Anyone else tired of the prolonged Submission hold?

[FooFighters]

The main problem is that submissions are glorified rest holds now.

Hell, I believe most wrestlers should have both an impact finisher and a submission finisher. By my count , (and I know I'm forgetting a fukk ton of others) it's:

Pentagon Dark/Jr
Minoru Suzuki
Sting
Kurt Angle
TJP
Daniel Bryan
Brock Lesnar
John Cena
Samoa Joe
CM Punk
Jericho
Naomi
Charlotte Flair

 

[threattonature]

Definitely came in to say this. The suspension of disbelief is a bit fukked right now. Like now that people grasp how these holds go on a basic level, it just makes it look a bit ridiculous. Restholds are definitely done for me due to this. Like a sleeper puts you out in SECONDS.

I don't see it happening but in my mind, you'd have more fights to really lock these things on. But wrestling is set in its ways and to make them more realistic would fukk up the flow we're all used to. I also think WWE needs to kill closed hand punches again. But that's another convo.

I've always thought they should still establish a submission hold as a finisher and have people tap quickly. Then for big matches the drama and suspense can come in working to get the hold in place. Some of the most suspenseful and exciting moments in a UFC match is the handfighting and positioning on the ground as someone tries to work to secure a submission. Use that and make use of the ropes or three count from being pinned as a way to break it once a submission is slapped on.

 

[Theolodius_Black]

Brought this up during a Raw one night, but the thing that kills me is when a guy is locked in an arm bar or a kimora and just stands the fukk up

Or worse, power bombs the guy applying the hold

Like dude your arm and shoulder should be shattered

 

[JerseyBoy23]

The combination of UFC's popularity mixed with guys needing rest in fast-paced matches basically makes this a problem that won't go away.

I kind of feel the same way about false finish spams. It's cool the first time you see it but once you know the winner it gets a bit annoying.

 

[R=G]

Remember when the Cena Raw push was just starting and they booked that submission match with Chris Masters when all Cena was winning with was the FU? Magically he debuted the STF nonsense just in the nick of time. Then they had everyone tap out to it..including Cripple H at WM 22.

 

[R=G]

Brought this up during a Raw one night, but the thing that kills me is when a guy is locked in an arm bar or a kimora and just stands the fukk up

Or worse, power bombs the guy applying the hold

Like dude your arm and shoulder should be shattered

Roman Reigns doing one arm power bombs....lol