Tenchi Ryu
Ashtray B!tch
They're literally talking about this on Fox news Chicago as I type this.
Folks dying off this shyt.
Folks dying off this shyt.
Anyone tried the fentanyl drug before?
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GreenGrass
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MDMA (Ecstasy/Molly) game is fukked up... ppl out here have no clue what they are ingesting...
but hey, if people wanna dance with the devil, then let them.
I heard this was the new drug now. Was taking about it with my buddies girlfriend the other night. She works for cigna and was telling me that the fentanyl patches were popular now. Since I work for a pharmacy, she said we were gonna start getting the addicts trying to get scripts for it. It hasn't hit that hard here yet but I wouldn't be surprised if it starts. Just as we were getting over the whole flakka thing, they got a new drug to combat.
NotAnFBIagent
[redacted]
Never heard of it but I'll pass on anything that potent
GreenGrass
All Star
damn, they have patches for this drug now? shyt. what a messed up world we live in. no wonder why people make drugs for a living. its like the drug world is sponsored by the government or something. fukk this planet.
Zombi_Jeezus
Bad Hombre
I don't think it's that easy to get a prescription for it. I believe it's usually reserved for cancer patients and shyt like that. I know a dude who used to sell his patches. Said junkies would cut em open and smoke the gel.
It's a controlled substance drug, like oxy, and such. Problem is people break the patch into pieces and start eating or chewing it. Not many where I'm at request it like oxy or percs but it has deadly potential if not it wouldn't be so regulated. It's used for pain I believe but abuser use it differently.
If you want to end up dead, go and try it.
They give that shyt as painkillers to horses. You don't want to touch that garbage.
They give that shyt as painkillers to horses. You don't want to touch that garbage.
Heroin Epidemic Is Yielding to a Deadlier Cousin: Fentanyl
By KATHARINE Q. SEELYE MARCH 25, 2016
Syringes scattered along the ground at a homeless encampment in Lawrence, Mass. Credit Katherine Taylor for The New York Times
LAWRENCE, Mass. — When Eddie Frasca was shooting up heroin, he occasionally sought out its more potent, lethal cousin, fentanyl.
“It was like playing Russian roulette, but I didn’t care,” said Mr. Frasca, 30, a carpenter and barber who said he had been clean for four months. When he heard that someone had overdosed or even died from fentanyl, he would hunt down that batch.
“I’d say to myself, ‘I’m going to spend the least amount of money and get the best kind of high I can,’ ” he said.
Fentanyl, which looks like heroin, is a powerful synthetic painkiller that has been laced into heroin but is increasingly being sold by itself — often without the user’s knowledge. It is up to 50 times more powerful than heroin and up to 100 times more potent than morphine. A tiny bit can be fatal.
Photo
Eddie Frasca, 30, a carpenter and barber who occasionally used fentanyl but said he had been clean for four months. Credit Katherine Taylor for The New York Times In some areas in New England, fentanyl is now killing more people than heroin. In New Hampshire, fentanyl alone killed 158 people last year; heroin killed 32. (Fentanyl was a factor in an additional 120 deaths; heroin contributed to an additional 56.)
“It sort of snuck up on us,” said Detective Capt. Robert P. Pistone of the Haverhill Police Department in Massachusetts. He said that a jump in deaths in 2014 appeared to be caused by heroin, but that lab tests showed the culprit was fentanyl.
Fentanyl represents the latest wave of a rolling drug epidemic that has been fueled by prescription painkillers, as addicts continue to seek higher highs and cheaper fixes.
“It started out as an opioid epidemic, then heroin, but now it’s a fentanyl epidemic,” Maura Healey, the attorney general of Massachusetts, said in an interview.
Fentanyl on a patch or in a lozenge has been used since the 1960s in medical settings to treat extreme pain. In recent decades, illicit fentanyl has seeped into the United States from Mexico.
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About 300 grams of fentanyl have been confiscated in Haverhill, Mass., within the past month. Credit Katherine Taylor for The New York Times “For the cartels, it’s their drug of choice,” Ms. Healey said. “They have figured out a way to make fentanyl more cheaply and easily than heroin and are manufacturing it at a record pace.”
Since New England noticed a drastic rise in drug overdose deaths in 2013, public health and law enforcement officials have begun to link more of the deaths to fentanyl.
“The severity of the situation did not become apparent until the public health community noticed the above-average number of overdoses,” a report by the National Drug Intelligence Center at the Justice Department warned in 2006. Special toxicological testing is needed to detect fentanyl, but most coroners and state crime labs did not run those tests unless they had a specific reason.
The police are also finding more and more fentanyl in drug seizures, though it is not clear how much of this reflects a new invasion of the drug or just more testing and reporting.
Nationally, the total number of fentanyl drug seizures reported in 2014 by forensic laboratories jumped to 4,585, from 618 in 2012. More than 80 percent of the seizures in 2014 were concentrated in 10 states: Ohio, followed by Massachusetts, Pennsylvania, Maryland, New Jersey, Kentucky, Virginia, Florida, New Hampshire and Indiana.
Fentanyl Facts
In Massachusetts in 2013, the state police crime lab found pure fentanyl, not mixed with other drugs, in just six cases; in 2015, the lab found it in 425 cases.
It was only last March that the Drug Enforcement Administration issued a nationwide alert about fentanyl, saying that overdoses were “occurring at an alarming rate throughout the United States and represent a significant threat to public health and safety.”
In Massachusetts, 336 people died from fentanyl-related overdoses from October 2014 to October 2015 — up from 219 deaths the previous year, an increase of 53 percent.
Vermont had 29 deaths from fentanyl in 2015, up from 18 in 2014 and 12 in 2013, a climb of 142 percent in two years.
In Maine, deaths attributed to fentanyl rose to 87 in 2015, up from 42 in 2014 and nine in 2013, an 867 percent increase in two years.
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Heather Sartori, 38, a former nurse who is on methadone after years of shooting heroin, in Lawrence, Mass. Credit Katherine Taylor for The New York Times Some of the biggest fentanyl busts have occurred in and around Lawrence, an old mill town 30 miles north of Boston, near New Hampshire; it has long served as a major drug hub.
“Massachusetts is the epicenter for the heroin/fentanyl trade,” Ms. Healey said. “From Lawrence, it’s being trafficked and sold all over the New England states.”
In one seizure last year, law enforcement officers from Massachusetts and New Hampshire confiscated 33 pounds of fentanyl and heroin with a street value of $2.2 million, most from a house in Lawrence. In January, the police seized 66 pounds of fentanyl-laced heroin, worth millions, in nearby Tewksbury.
Two Lawrence men were indicted in June in connection with an extensive fentanyl and heroin distribution operation involving more than $1 million in drugs.
Lawrence sits at the nexus of major highways, and the police say many drug deals occur at fast-food restaurants off the exits for nearby towns. And those deals are highly lucrative.
Graphic
How the Epidemic of Drug Overdose Deaths Ripples Across America
Drug deaths have surged in nearly every U.S. county, reaching a new peak in 2014.
OPEN Graphic
One middleman would meet his dealer from Lawrence weekly off an exit in Haverhill, and would buy 100 “fingers” (10 grams each) of fentanyl for $400 apiece, Captain Pistone said. He would sell each finger for $750 in New Hampshire and Maine, making $35,000 a week.
“It’s just everywhere,” Heather Sartori, 38, a former nurse who is on methadone after years of shooting up heroin, said as she sat at a busy McDonald’s here. “It would be really hard to navigate through this city without being touched by it.”
She said she had lost several friends to fentanyl and called Lawrence’s drug-infested landscape “the treacherous terrain where the ghosts of the fallen linger.”
“It’s cheaper, and the high is better, so more addicts will go to a dealer to get that quality and grade,” she said, even if it means they could die.
“That is the phenomenon of the addicted mind,” she said. “It’s beyond the scope of a rational thinker to understand.”
Photo
An addict at a homeless encampment in Lawrence. Credit Katherine Taylor for The New York Times Fentanyl is abundant, too, in the tent cities of homeless people here under the bridges over the Merrimack River. “It’s all there is out there right now,” said a 24-year-old who lives under one of the bridges and goes by G. “I couldn’t find real heroin if I tried.”
Its chief characteristic is that it is fast acting.
“You can’t move,” said a 46-year-old woman, who kept nodding off during an interview at the Haverhill police station. She agreed to talk about fentanyl on the condition that she not be identified.
“When you inject it, it hits before you’re even done giving the shot,” she said. “That’s why so many people get caught with the needle still hanging out of their arm. It’s bam! To your brain.”
Joanne Peterson, executive director of Learn to Cope, a statewide support network for families involved with addiction, said fentanyl works so quickly that there is often little time to administer naloxone, which reverses the effects of an overdose.
“At least with heroin, there is a chance that if someone relapses, they can get back into recovery,” she said. But with fentanyl, she said, it is only a matter of moments before an addict can be dead.
A version of this article appears in print on March 26, 2016, on page A1 of the New York edition with the headline: Heroin Yields Ground to Fentanyl, Its More Potent Killer Cousin. Order Reprints| Today's Paper|Subscribe
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/26/us...T.nav=top-news
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By KATHARINE Q. SEELYE MARCH 25, 2016
Syringes scattered along the ground at a homeless encampment in Lawrence, Mass. Credit Katherine Taylor for The New York Times
LAWRENCE, Mass. — When Eddie Frasca was shooting up heroin, he occasionally sought out its more potent, lethal cousin, fentanyl.
“It was like playing Russian roulette, but I didn’t care,” said Mr. Frasca, 30, a carpenter and barber who said he had been clean for four months. When he heard that someone had overdosed or even died from fentanyl, he would hunt down that batch.
“I’d say to myself, ‘I’m going to spend the least amount of money and get the best kind of high I can,’ ” he said.
Fentanyl, which looks like heroin, is a powerful synthetic painkiller that has been laced into heroin but is increasingly being sold by itself — often without the user’s knowledge. It is up to 50 times more powerful than heroin and up to 100 times more potent than morphine. A tiny bit can be fatal.
Photo
Eddie Frasca, 30, a carpenter and barber who occasionally used fentanyl but said he had been clean for four months. Credit Katherine Taylor for The New York Times In some areas in New England, fentanyl is now killing more people than heroin. In New Hampshire, fentanyl alone killed 158 people last year; heroin killed 32. (Fentanyl was a factor in an additional 120 deaths; heroin contributed to an additional 56.)
“It sort of snuck up on us,” said Detective Capt. Robert P. Pistone of the Haverhill Police Department in Massachusetts. He said that a jump in deaths in 2014 appeared to be caused by heroin, but that lab tests showed the culprit was fentanyl.
Fentanyl represents the latest wave of a rolling drug epidemic that has been fueled by prescription painkillers, as addicts continue to seek higher highs and cheaper fixes.
“It started out as an opioid epidemic, then heroin, but now it’s a fentanyl epidemic,” Maura Healey, the attorney general of Massachusetts, said in an interview.
Fentanyl on a patch or in a lozenge has been used since the 1960s in medical settings to treat extreme pain. In recent decades, illicit fentanyl has seeped into the United States from Mexico.
Photo
About 300 grams of fentanyl have been confiscated in Haverhill, Mass., within the past month. Credit Katherine Taylor for The New York Times “For the cartels, it’s their drug of choice,” Ms. Healey said. “They have figured out a way to make fentanyl more cheaply and easily than heroin and are manufacturing it at a record pace.”
Since New England noticed a drastic rise in drug overdose deaths in 2013, public health and law enforcement officials have begun to link more of the deaths to fentanyl.
“The severity of the situation did not become apparent until the public health community noticed the above-average number of overdoses,” a report by the National Drug Intelligence Center at the Justice Department warned in 2006. Special toxicological testing is needed to detect fentanyl, but most coroners and state crime labs did not run those tests unless they had a specific reason.
The police are also finding more and more fentanyl in drug seizures, though it is not clear how much of this reflects a new invasion of the drug or just more testing and reporting.
Nationally, the total number of fentanyl drug seizures reported in 2014 by forensic laboratories jumped to 4,585, from 618 in 2012. More than 80 percent of the seizures in 2014 were concentrated in 10 states: Ohio, followed by Massachusetts, Pennsylvania, Maryland, New Jersey, Kentucky, Virginia, Florida, New Hampshire and Indiana.
Fentanyl Facts
- Fentanyl is up to 50 times more potent than heroin and 100 times more potent than morphine. Because it is so strong and fast-acting, it can often lead to overdose and deaths.
- Street names for fentanyl include Apache, China girl, China white, dance fever, friend, goodfella, jackpot, murder 8, TNT, as well as Tango and Cash, according to the National Institute on Drug Abuse.
- Many state crime laboratories and coroner's offices do not track fentanyl-related deaths, so national statistics can be hard to come by.
- Most of the recent fentanyl-related deaths have occurred in the Northeast, Mid-Atlantic and Appalachia, where it is sometimes mixed with another white powder, heroin. It is also starting to creep into the Midwest.
- In 2015, doctors wrote 6.64 million legal fentanyl prescriptions in the U.S. Most deaths are from illegally manufactured fentanyl, but some result from diverting medical sources.
In Massachusetts in 2013, the state police crime lab found pure fentanyl, not mixed with other drugs, in just six cases; in 2015, the lab found it in 425 cases.
It was only last March that the Drug Enforcement Administration issued a nationwide alert about fentanyl, saying that overdoses were “occurring at an alarming rate throughout the United States and represent a significant threat to public health and safety.”
In Massachusetts, 336 people died from fentanyl-related overdoses from October 2014 to October 2015 — up from 219 deaths the previous year, an increase of 53 percent.
Vermont had 29 deaths from fentanyl in 2015, up from 18 in 2014 and 12 in 2013, a climb of 142 percent in two years.
In Maine, deaths attributed to fentanyl rose to 87 in 2015, up from 42 in 2014 and nine in 2013, an 867 percent increase in two years.
Photo
Heather Sartori, 38, a former nurse who is on methadone after years of shooting heroin, in Lawrence, Mass. Credit Katherine Taylor for The New York Times Some of the biggest fentanyl busts have occurred in and around Lawrence, an old mill town 30 miles north of Boston, near New Hampshire; it has long served as a major drug hub.
“Massachusetts is the epicenter for the heroin/fentanyl trade,” Ms. Healey said. “From Lawrence, it’s being trafficked and sold all over the New England states.”
In one seizure last year, law enforcement officers from Massachusetts and New Hampshire confiscated 33 pounds of fentanyl and heroin with a street value of $2.2 million, most from a house in Lawrence. In January, the police seized 66 pounds of fentanyl-laced heroin, worth millions, in nearby Tewksbury.
Two Lawrence men were indicted in June in connection with an extensive fentanyl and heroin distribution operation involving more than $1 million in drugs.
Lawrence sits at the nexus of major highways, and the police say many drug deals occur at fast-food restaurants off the exits for nearby towns. And those deals are highly lucrative.
Graphic
How the Epidemic of Drug Overdose Deaths Ripples Across America
Drug deaths have surged in nearly every U.S. county, reaching a new peak in 2014.
OPEN Graphic
One middleman would meet his dealer from Lawrence weekly off an exit in Haverhill, and would buy 100 “fingers” (10 grams each) of fentanyl for $400 apiece, Captain Pistone said. He would sell each finger for $750 in New Hampshire and Maine, making $35,000 a week.
“It’s just everywhere,” Heather Sartori, 38, a former nurse who is on methadone after years of shooting up heroin, said as she sat at a busy McDonald’s here. “It would be really hard to navigate through this city without being touched by it.”
She said she had lost several friends to fentanyl and called Lawrence’s drug-infested landscape “the treacherous terrain where the ghosts of the fallen linger.”
“It’s cheaper, and the high is better, so more addicts will go to a dealer to get that quality and grade,” she said, even if it means they could die.
“That is the phenomenon of the addicted mind,” she said. “It’s beyond the scope of a rational thinker to understand.”
Photo
An addict at a homeless encampment in Lawrence. Credit Katherine Taylor for The New York Times Fentanyl is abundant, too, in the tent cities of homeless people here under the bridges over the Merrimack River. “It’s all there is out there right now,” said a 24-year-old who lives under one of the bridges and goes by G. “I couldn’t find real heroin if I tried.”
Its chief characteristic is that it is fast acting.
“You can’t move,” said a 46-year-old woman, who kept nodding off during an interview at the Haverhill police station. She agreed to talk about fentanyl on the condition that she not be identified.
“When you inject it, it hits before you’re even done giving the shot,” she said. “That’s why so many people get caught with the needle still hanging out of their arm. It’s bam! To your brain.”
Joanne Peterson, executive director of Learn to Cope, a statewide support network for families involved with addiction, said fentanyl works so quickly that there is often little time to administer naloxone, which reverses the effects of an overdose.
“At least with heroin, there is a chance that if someone relapses, they can get back into recovery,” she said. But with fentanyl, she said, it is only a matter of moments before an addict can be dead.
A version of this article appears in print on March 26, 2016, on page A1 of the New York edition with the headline: Heroin Yields Ground to Fentanyl, Its More Potent Killer Cousin. Order Reprints| Today's Paper|Subscribe
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/26/us...T.nav=top-news
Related Coverage
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I tried that shyt for like 2 weeks until I did too much and though I was gonna die. Had to take a cold shower and pray this wasn't it
The high ain't even worth it
The high ain't even worth it
GreenGrass
All Star
can i ask, what made you decide to try this drug? have you done other type of drugs before this?
joeychizzle
光復香港，時代革命
And I thought my weed habit was bad 
This new street drug is 10,000 times more potent than morphine, and now it’s showing up in Canada and the U.S.
By Katie Mettler April 27
It was first developed in a Canadian lab more than three decades ago, promising and potent — and intended to relieve pain in a less addictive way.
Labeled W-18, the synthetic opioid was the most powerful in a series of about 30 compounds concocted at the University of Alberta and patented in the U.S. and Canada in 1984.
But no pharmaceutical company would pick it up, so on a shelf the recipe sat, the research chronicled in medical journals but never put to use. The compound was largely forgotten.
Then a Chinese chemist found it, and in labs halfway around the world started developing the drug for consumers in search of a cheap and legal high — one experts say is 100 times more potent than fentanyl and 10,000 stronger than morphine.
[Deaths from opioid overdoses set a record in 2014]
And now it has come to North America. The substance first surfaced in Canada last fall, when Calgary police seized pills containing traces of the drug, according to the Calgary Herald. Then more than 2.5 pounds of W-18 was discovered in the home of a Florida man, who was sentenced to 10 years in federal prison after he pleaded guilty to smuggling fentanyl from China, reported the Sun Sentinel. He faced no charges for possessing the W-18, however, because it’s not yet illegal in the U.S.
And just last week, Health Canada’s Drug Analysis Service confirmed that four kilograms of a chemical powder seized in a fentanyl investigation in December 2015 was indeed the dangerous W-18 drug.
Health officials are concerned for many reasons. There are currently no tests to detect the drug in a person’s blood or urine, according to reports, making it difficult for doctors to help someone who might be overdosing, a risk outlined in the drug’s 1984 patent.
Its effect on humans is largely unknown because W-18 was only ever tested on lab mice.
“Whenever this drug starts circulating on the streets you’re going to have deaths,” Sacramento-based forensic chemist Brian Escamilla told the Calgary Sun.
Health Canada is working to have W-18 added to its Controlled Drugs and Substances Act.
The Drug Enforcement Administration has not made a formal statement warning of the hazards of W-18, but a spokesman for the department did tell the Calgary Sun that its unclear how far the drug has infiltrated the U.S. and alluded to reports suggesting W-18 is being cut with heroin and cocaine in Philadelphia.
If that’s true, the new drug could exacerbate the growing heroin epidemic.
The debut of W-18 also draws attention to the growing influence Chinese chemists have on the kinds of drugs entering the U.S. Last fall, China banned 116 different synthetic drugs, according to reports, including fentanyl and the deadly flakka, a drug that put south Florida in crisis mode. Since then, flakka has all but disappeared.
[The surprising disappearance of flakka, the synthetic drug that pushed South Florida to the brink]
In its absence, however, Chinese drug manufacturers began producing alternatives to sell, including W-18, a DEA spokesman told the Calgary Sun.
“Instead of selling heroin in quarter-ounce, half-ounce quantities, you’re talking about micrograms of these substances that are 100 times more potent than fentanyl,” Baer said.
This new street drug is 10,000 times more potent than morphine, and now it’s showing up in Canada and the U.S.
By Katie Mettler April 27
It was first developed in a Canadian lab more than three decades ago, promising and potent — and intended to relieve pain in a less addictive way.
Labeled W-18, the synthetic opioid was the most powerful in a series of about 30 compounds concocted at the University of Alberta and patented in the U.S. and Canada in 1984.
But no pharmaceutical company would pick it up, so on a shelf the recipe sat, the research chronicled in medical journals but never put to use. The compound was largely forgotten.
Then a Chinese chemist found it, and in labs halfway around the world started developing the drug for consumers in search of a cheap and legal high — one experts say is 100 times more potent than fentanyl and 10,000 stronger than morphine.
[Deaths from opioid overdoses set a record in 2014]
And now it has come to North America. The substance first surfaced in Canada last fall, when Calgary police seized pills containing traces of the drug, according to the Calgary Herald. Then more than 2.5 pounds of W-18 was discovered in the home of a Florida man, who was sentenced to 10 years in federal prison after he pleaded guilty to smuggling fentanyl from China, reported the Sun Sentinel. He faced no charges for possessing the W-18, however, because it’s not yet illegal in the U.S.
And just last week, Health Canada’s Drug Analysis Service confirmed that four kilograms of a chemical powder seized in a fentanyl investigation in December 2015 was indeed the dangerous W-18 drug.
Health officials are concerned for many reasons. There are currently no tests to detect the drug in a person’s blood or urine, according to reports, making it difficult for doctors to help someone who might be overdosing, a risk outlined in the drug’s 1984 patent.
Its effect on humans is largely unknown because W-18 was only ever tested on lab mice.
“Whenever this drug starts circulating on the streets you’re going to have deaths,” Sacramento-based forensic chemist Brian Escamilla told the Calgary Sun.
Health Canada is working to have W-18 added to its Controlled Drugs and Substances Act.
The Drug Enforcement Administration has not made a formal statement warning of the hazards of W-18, but a spokesman for the department did tell the Calgary Sun that its unclear how far the drug has infiltrated the U.S. and alluded to reports suggesting W-18 is being cut with heroin and cocaine in Philadelphia.
If that’s true, the new drug could exacerbate the growing heroin epidemic.
The debut of W-18 also draws attention to the growing influence Chinese chemists have on the kinds of drugs entering the U.S. Last fall, China banned 116 different synthetic drugs, according to reports, including fentanyl and the deadly flakka, a drug that put south Florida in crisis mode. Since then, flakka has all but disappeared.
[The surprising disappearance of flakka, the synthetic drug that pushed South Florida to the brink]
In its absence, however, Chinese drug manufacturers began producing alternatives to sell, including W-18, a DEA spokesman told the Calgary Sun.
“Instead of selling heroin in quarter-ounce, half-ounce quantities, you’re talking about micrograms of these substances that are 100 times more potent than fentanyl,” Baer said.
This new street drug is 10,000 times more potent than morphine, and now it’s showing up in Canada and the U.S.