AOC & Congressional Progressives push back on Jimmy Dore and premature Medicare For All floor votes

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    No one cares what you are doing man. But please spill the tea contrary that's contrary to the rainbow coalition.
     
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    no it's not. But.. there really ain't a way around the shyt storm coming down

    This extend the hand to people who hate us(after how many centuries/decades of us doing that) and this class reductionist stuff.... is a no go for black folk breh
     
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    We're mostly Dems already and they don't love us they just pretending. This isn't about 'friendship' or even 'getting along' it's just about working on common goals. If the alternative is a 'shyt storm' what's the problem?
     
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    I didn't get confused at all.

    You brought up some "church" about Fred Hampton being willing to "team up with white supremacists" as if you were gonna debunk it...but then fell back on some I would tell you what's up but...Jimmy Dore has somehow sapped the energy you need to copy any paste a tweet.

    "Many of the Panthers left the group when we built alliances. Some didn’t like the Patriots, some just didn’t like white people in general. They were heavy into nationalism. To tell the truth, it was a necessary purging, except for these nikkas took themselves out of the organization. The Rainbow Coalition was just a code word for class struggle"

    "However, two organizations prepared the way for the Rainbow Coalition, without them there wouldn’t have been a chance of forming one. Rising Up Angry (rua) and join Community Union. The uptown neighborhood was prime recruiting zone for white supremacists. Most of the cats who were in the Patriots also had at least one family member in the Klan.. - Bob Lee
    Young Patriots and Panthers: A story of white anti-racism

    Now, according to Bob Lee, Panthers allied and built a coalition with confederate flag flying nationalists who were raised in white supremacist communities with family ties to the KKK.

    :dwillhuh:

    That doesn't suggest that Fred Hampton was cool with white supremacists. What it suggests is that the panthers were willing to make effort to listen to, and slowly build solidarity with people who at the bare fukking minimum were at least as adjacent to white supremacists as the boogaloo boys, which according to the ADL didn't start as a white supremacist organization and has sub groups that are explicitly anti-racist.

    I don't think it's unreasonable to suggest that the same panthers who worked with the young patriots wouldn't have been opposed to giving an interview to some guy telling protest groups to stop fighting one another and focus on solidarity for peaceful revolution before shyt get's hot.
     
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    Adjacent to white supremacists =/= white supremacist

    And the young patriots =/= the boogaloo boys

    The Boogaloo Boys have a sordid history and are an extreme right wing group that we've seen unfold. While I'm sure, some members are not racist, I think it's very obvious that they have a collection of alt-righters, 3 percenters and open white supremacists in their midst. On top of which you add openly anti-left beliefs. Even the ADL piece you read on them from states as much.



    And you know what, it probably is possible that the Panthers would interview someone who expressed an interest in stopping the fights with one another for solidarity. But if a group harboring right wing militiamen, white supremacists and alt-right members came representing a group that openly wants a civil war...I'd suspect that they would be a lot more skeptical and discerning before platforming those messengers.

     
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    Exactly my point. Nobody today would be trying to split hairs on optics if they saw some white nationalists 'reclaiming' confederate flags and telling everyone they aren't racist though, let's be reality.

    Despite the optics and distrust from some other Panthers, a group that sprang from those communities could easily be characterized as white supremacists, were not.

    The Magnus cat on Jimmy's show stated it as well that white supremacist groups did start co-opting the movement and as they got de-platformed on to creepy shyt like Parlor it got harder to control.

    I'm all for skepticism, of those messengers and especially the media's reporting on them if they're going to be calling for class solidarity because I know that's the LAST thing they want.

    Also be clear, being open to listen to, vote with, agree to advocate for policy with, is different from marching around with these a$$holes. I have no interest in that.
     
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    Hold up.... cats in here caping for the boogaloo boys cuz jimmy dore gives em a pass?:dead:


    @FAH1223 you gonna let these Nazis storm the coli like they did the capitol?:dahell:
     
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    I feel you in terms of not making assumptions, but I also think that a group like the Boogaloo Boys which is disorganized and has had recklessly violent incidents would be denied. Not just for the presence of some racists, but because those dudes could be problematic even showing up with the best intentions.

    To give an example, I quickly lost any appreciation for their presence at BLM protests as an act of solidarity because it coincided with potential terror plots and plots of violence against police that was then propagandized against BLM. Since everything gets propagandized whenever we fight for Civil Rights (slightly exaggerated maybe? but you know what I mean), having a group that is vocally accelerationist toward a war would be dangerous. Basically, this is as much a media critique as anything. Those guys could do some dumb ish and it would be used to reflect on the protests, they would receive blowback but the BLM movement would take as big if not an even bigger hit. I think that same dynamic would exist if they joined in with the Panthers.

    Lemme add that your bolded below makes me think you have a similar viewpoint here. But I like to add the real example just to have a more concrete understanding of where I'm coming at the issue.


    Yeah fam, and to expand on that, we've seen this sort of infiltration and co-opting by the alt-right before. I think this fits the pattern of Gamer Gate and the expansions on the Q conspiracy. They were edgy but more in the meme lane and then they blew up with backing from a darker place. Edgy starts to turn extreme and well-meaning members are either pushed out or pulled across that edge. To be fair, I don't know any Boogaloo folks personally. I saw this whole red pill, alt-right pipeline thing play out with people I knew when those other two examples happened. But I feel like this has a similar pattern.

    This bold is absolutely key. I was trying to find it, but I swear I'd seen that the YP had to disavow any racism before getting into the room. I think with these Boogaloo cats, they'd have to straight up disavow the Boogaloo part. That's not to say they'd have to disavow their pro-gun stances or anything (of course not), but the "seeking a civil war" ish is a bridge too far. To me, any approach to a group like the Boogaloo Boys would be less about platforming them as Jimmy Dore did and much more about being strategic and peeling out the more left-minded groups that have emerged.

    But I'm speculating there. I'm not really qualified to know how that sort of strategy would lay out and the organizer types that I either know, follow, or watch have pretty much to a man come across with a sense of "that wouldn't be worth it when we could focus elsewhere." I do think creating pipelines to dig these people out is a good idea. But to my mind, the risk outweighs the benefits with an armed group that originates from such rightwing foundations.
     
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    Imagine putting this much energy into defending Boogaloo Boys, while calling AOC and Squad traitors.

    The dumdum left has become a caricature of itself. A cult of personality led by Jimmy Dore. Jimmy fukking Dore. :mjlol: :mjlol:
     
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    Despite Jimmy's vitriol at AOC and to a lesser extent other Progressive members of Congress I still really like them and hope they continue to gain power and influence.
    Watching the Jimmy Dore show doesn't mean you agree with all his positions or everything he says.
     
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    I think this is a really good explanation on why people are pissed about that interview. Sounds like the dude was fronting and jimmy didn’t know any better to catch him.
     
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    sanitizing terror groups :picard:
     
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    Jimmy Dore has been working overtime to Juelz his way out of this Boogaloo situation. :dead:

    Even had that fat fukk that goes around befriending and trying to save Klan members on the show. :mjlol:
     
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    He did get some people to leave the Klan. I guess that's a bad thing. lol
     
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    Brie got aired out :wow:
     
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