AOC has gone too far. She's coming after Hakeem Jeffries

[storyteller]

Important aside:
There's nothing wrong with seeking a competitive opponent for Dems in blue strongholds. They're not in trouble with red opposition and they can easily take their position for granted if you don't put pressure on them to consider constituents moreso than big donors (see: Crowley). Whether Justice Dems or AOC is looking for challengers personally or not; the whole thing with Democracy is making sure there are options and picking the best ones. Jeffries isn't above being challenged in the future any more or less than AOC will be; it's up to him to convince his constituents to continue voting for him when alternatives are presented.

 

[acri1]

Important aside:
There's nothing wrong with seeking a competitive opponent for Dems in blue strongholds. They're not in trouble with red opposition and they can easily take their position for granted if you don't put pressure on them to consider constituents moreso than big donors (see: Crowley). Whether Justice Dems or AOC is looking for challengers personally or not; the whole thing with Democracy is making sure there are options and picking the best ones. Jeffries isn't above being challenged in the future any more or less than AOC will be; it's up to him to convince his constituents to continue voting for him when alternatives are presented.

Can't say I disagree, but my concern with this kind of stuff is that all this infighting will depress turnout in the general and help the GOP. I just feel like the priority first and foremost should be getting Republicans out of office, not other Dems.

We don't want a situation where progressives decide to stay home/vote 3rd-party if a moderate wins or vice versa.

 

[storyteller]

Can't say I disagree, but my concern with this kind of stuff is that all this infighting will depress turnout in the general and help the GOP. I just feel like the priority first and foremost should be getting Republicans out of office, not other Dems.

We don't want a situation where progressives decide to stay home/vote 3rd-party if a moderate wins or vice versa.

My thing is that it's really just groups looking for a representative for their main goals and issues. It's been framed in a way that makes AOC the face of an attack on Jeffries, which produces a big fight but if not for that, it'd be the Justice Dems looking for a qualified candidate to run.

In terms of progressives or moderates staying home; Amy Walter had an article that I didn't get to finish but pointed to a pretty promising bit of data early on.
What We Should Look for and What We Can Ignore in 2020 Polling

In 2018, Democratic voters were less concerned with a candidate’s ideological purity and more concerned about electability. With a mantra of "just win, baby," Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi shrugged off Democratic candidates’ criticism of her potential speakership. Donors took a similar approach, giving as much money to conservative-leaning Democrat Abigail Spanberger in the Richmond, Virginia suburbs, as to the more liberal Katie Porter in suburban Orange County. Each woman raised over $4.5M in individual contributions in their successful campaigns for Congress.

The "just win" mantra is looking to be as critical in 2020. When asked what was more important for them in choosing a 2020 candidate, just 40 percent of Iowa Democrats picked "shares your positions," while more than half (54 percent) said, "can beat Trump." To be sure, "issues" and "electability" are also subjective. Lots of Democrats will think that only candidates who embrace certain positions or policies can defeat Trump. Even so, it’s dangerous to underestimate how unified Democrats are around the idea that Trump not only presents a threat to their policy agenda but also an existential threat to democracy and world order.

Even with the last election, the number of Bernie supporters who flipped or stay home was lower than when Hillary lost to Obama in the primary. I'm not pointing that out as a shot to Hillary supporters, but to say that a strong majority of blue voters recognized the importance of this past presidential election. That was in spite of foreign interference and voter suppression which might skew those numbers more negatively than normal. Add to that, the in-fighting didn't stop a Blue Wave this past November even though Gerrymandering and voter suppression did reduce the impact some. So I think the evidence is strong enough to be confident that the rise of progressives hasn't caused friction so much as brought in a new demographic of potential Democratic voters...but, I'm a progressive myself and speculating here so personal bias acknowledged.

 

[the cac mamba]

We don't want a situation where progressives decide to stay home/vote 3rd-party if a moderate wins or vice versa.

i think that the fact trump actually won in 2016 is gonna put that to bed almost entirely

im sure if you polled 'bernie bros' who stayed home in 2016, 98% thought hillary was gonna win anyway. i was one of them

 

[Kenny West]

Im sick of "dont do xyz itll only help the republicans! " fearmongering from DNC shills.

According to yall folks shouldnt have voted AOC in the first place because she would just lose the seat to a republican.

These cornball games are old. Shills used the same lame ass tactics in 2016 which got trump elected in the first place.

If you putting party loyalty before policy and progression you're no better than the republicans because thats their MO to the letter.

Time to shyt or get off the pot

 

[the cac mamba]

Im sick of of "dont do xyz itll only help the republicans! " fearmongering from DNC shills.

you might be in the wrong place :jayfdup:

 

[AnonymityX1000]

Im sick of of "dont do xyz itll only help the republicans! " fearmongering from DNC shills.

According to yall folks shouldnt have voted AOC in the first place because she would just lose the seat to a republican.

These cornball games are old. Shills used the same lame ass tactics in 2016 which got trump elected in the first place.

If you putting party loyalty before policy and progression you're no better than the republicans because thats their MO to the letter.

Time to shyt or get off the pot

It really doesn't make sense in NY especially. Republicans aren't winning no matter how much infighting there is.

 

[NZA]

Can't say I disagree, but my concern with this kind of stuff is that all this infighting will depress turnout in the general and help the GOP. I just feel like the priority first and foremost should be getting Republicans out of office, not other Dems.

We don't want a situation where progressives decide to stay home/vote 3rd-party if a moderate wins or vice versa.

the remedy for that is to make sure progressives feel like left candidates got a fair shot and were not victim to party tricks.

 

[88m3]

It really doesn't make sense in NY especially. Republicans aren't winning no matter how much infighting there is.

They're just fortunate we're not making bridges across the Hudson out of them.

 

[Perfectson]

@wire28 @Return to Forever @ezrathegreat @Jello Biafra @humble forever @Darth Nubian @Dameon Farrow @General Bravo III @BigMoneyGrip @hashmander @Call Me James @VR Tripper @Iceson Beckford @dongameister @Soymuscle Mike @BaileyPark31 @Lucky_Lefty @johnedwarduado @Armchair Militant

Somehow capitalist is a bad term, crazy how young broke morons have people feeling bad for Making am honest buck.

It use to be a thing for the smart kids in high school to get bullied and make it in the long run and the cool kids are working at fast food. Now the cool kids are progressives who don't want their bad life decisions coming back to haunt them

 

[EndDomination]

Good strategy: Black democratic district = no loss for Dems
This shoddy reporting does very little to substantiate the claims they're making.

Establishment bootlickers need to watch their backs.
And why don't we get a thread everytime she lights up a Republican?

 

[EndDomination]

She reminds me much more of Trump. Palin and Trump are both morons but the way she is so combative on Twitter and has to respond to every single person who criticized her is very Trumpish.

Or just normal.
She wasn't a politician when Twitter became a weaponised platform for whoever engages their following, she realises just how much of Twitter can be power.
She does need to put the phone down a bit to focus on other things, but she's using the platform to deflect outright lies and attacks.
And she's telling the truth.

 

[EndDomination]

Bernie sanders and his delusional cult following are the most dangerous force to progressive politics in the united states. Their purity nonsense have impacted people and taken away rights and this dangerous lunatics should not be rewarded with the democratic nomination.

Bernie sanders
tulsi gabbard

the people who bernie bots admire are jokes and morons their purity politics is dangerous. Bernie sanders and his cult following created this monster.

Anybody who sees bernie sanders and his cult following for the narcisstic incompetent frauds they are means they are ''corporate democrats'' this imbeciles stayed home and refused to vote for clinton and allowed trump to appoint racists radical right wing judges who will take away peoples right and use the justice system to subjugate minorities more and they will be on the court for 40,50 years+

Bernie sanders voted against the brady bill he voted for the crime bill then blamed hillary clinton. The man is a fraud and his whole political movement is a sham, i believe bernie sanders did equal damage or arguably greeted to hillary clinton getting elected than trump.
Blame the arrogant imbecile and his broes who refused to vote and allowed trump to win.

BUT BUT HILLARY DOES NOT SUPPORT MEDICARE FOR ALL!!! okay great now thanks to your purity nonsense a federal judge just found obamacare unconstitutional and thier is a chance the supreme court which trump has packed with right wing judges will dismantle obamacare taking it from millions of americans.

Blame yourself.

ANYTIME YOU HEAR ANY MORON SAY ''CORPORATE DEMOCRAT'' OR ''NEOLIBERAL' BLOCK THEM IMMEDIATELY AND KNOW THEY ARE PART OF BERNIE SANDERS SYCOPHANT CULT FOLLOWERS WHO VALUE PURITY POLITICS AND ARE OK WITH GAMBLE AWAY PEOPLES RIGHTS FOR Policies with no realistic chance of getting enacted.

I'm surprised you managed to type this much and come up with no substance at all.
The American Left existed long before 2016 you stupid motherfukker

Has AOC or Jeffries make removing money out of politics a main objective? if no, then neither one could be shamed into taking corporate donations

As we all know, having more access to money for campaign fundraising is why Pelosi is powerful in her party and why AOC backed down from her initial non-support of her

Yes. She's talked about it repeatedly. She's a goddamn Socialist