Are hood FBAs actually happy with ICE?

[Voice of Reason]

If immigrants are why FBAs lack housing, wealth, and jobs, why were these problems already entrenched before most of them arrived?

You're misidentifying the problem. Every condition you're mad about -- disinvestment, lack of loans, housing scarcity, job loss -- was created by redlining, capital flight, deindustrialization, mass incarceration, housing covenants, predatory finance, and so on. Those systems were designed and enforced by the capital class and the state long before large-scale immigration.

Immigrants didn't hollow out Black neighborhoods. Banks did. Corporations did. The government did.

Immigrants aren't being handed federal resources, either. Most are legally barred from them, especially undocumented immigrants (net contributors) and recent green card holders. The reason FBAs were denied loans and housing wasn't immigrant favoritism. It was state-sanctioned discrimination by banks, developers, and policymakers.

Before blaming immigrants, how many banks and financial institutions have been sued or fined for discriminating against Black Americans in lending and housing, and how many lawsuits exist showing immigrants being favored over FBAs?

Blaming immigrants for structural theft is the same logic the right uses to manipulate the middle class into hating the poor instead of confronting corporate power.

I also noticed you left out European immigrant groups.

You are conflating 2 different things. Immigrants are not the reason FBas are bottom caste but they definitely worsen the situation. All of the Arab and Indian and South East Asian businesses that set up shop in the hood while not employing anyone from the community is one example. Imagine if young low income FBA teens had jobs in walking distance other than fast food joints.

 

[kingofnyc]

I’m not rooting for ICE. I’m also not about to jump on the front line for people that have been disrespectful to us for so long. Latinos, Indians, Africans, whatever. I don’t care. FBA has always been welcoming to these folks that they dumped in our neighborhoods and in turn they have animosity towards us. I’m not wishing bad but HYON

I couldn’t have said this any better

 

[Ghost Utmost]

I kinda don't care either way.

Every single person I grew up with is a criminal. Some petty criminals and some major criminals.

We don't respect the law outside of trying to stay ahead of the police and out of jail. So we don't care if somebody hops a fence.

I ain't gonna cape for them either tho. Like a a previous poster wrote

HYON

 

[Pull Up the Roots]

You are conflating 2 different things. Immigrants are not the reason FBas are bottom caste but they definitely worsen the situation. All of the Arab and Indian and South East Asian businesses that set up shop in the hood while not employing anyone from the community is one example. Imagine if young low income FBA teens had jobs in walking distance other than fast food joints.

No, I'm not. You're shifting the claim. If immigrants aren't the cause, then the question is *how* they supposedly worsen conditions, and anecdotes about corner stores don't establish that.

A few corner stores hiring one or two people was never going to replace what was lost from deindustrialization, disinvestment, municipal austerity, and capital flight. Treating small retail hiring as the missing solution isn't serious analysis; it's a way to shift blame away from the capital and policy decisions that actually wiped out those pipelines.

 

[UpThruDere]

The Black Community is just at the point of exhaustion, we've been caring about everyone else for so long with no reciprocity that we only have the energy to care about ourselves right now, we'll spin the block on all this other stuff once we finish getting our shyt together but for now they got to figure it out on their own.

 

[Voice of Reason]

No, I'm not. You're shifting the claim. If immigrants aren't the cause, then the question is *how* they supposedly worsen conditions, and anecdotes about corner stores don't establish that.

A few corner stores hiring one or two people was never going to replace what was lost from deindustrialization, disinvestment, municipal austerity, and capital flight. Treating small retail hiring as the missing solution isn't serious analysis; it's a way to shift blame away from the capital and policy decisions that actually wiped out those pipelines.

Read this shill


The "velocity of money" in low-income Black communities is a topic where a very popular cultural narrative often clashes with hard economic data.1


While you may have heard the specific statistic that a dollar only stays in the Black community for six hours, most modern economists classify that specific number as an "urban myth."2 However, the economic reality behind it—that wealth leaves these neighborhoods much faster than others—is a very real phenomenon known as economic leakage.3
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Here is the breakdown of the myth versus the economic reality:

1. The "6-Hour" Myth​

For decades, a specific set of statistics has circulated in news articles and speeches:

• The Claim: A dollar stays in the White community for 17–30 days, the Jewish community for 19 days, the Asian community for 28 days, and the Black community for only 6 hours.4
  
  
  
• The Fact: Economists from Howard University and the Selig Center (often cited as the source) have confirmed there is no data to support these specific numbers.5 The federal government does not track money circulation by race or religion, and the numbers appear to have originated in a 1996 book without a verified study behind them.6
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2. The Reality: Economic Leakage​

Even though the "6 hours" stat is likely made up, the concept it describes is accurate. In low-income Black neighborhoods, money "leaks" out almost immediately for three structural reasons:

• Service & Retail Deserts: If a neighborhood doesn't have a local grocery store, pharmacy, or bank, residents are forced to spend their money at national chains (like Walmart or Dollar General) located outside the community.
• Lack of Business Ownership: In many low-income Black neighborhoods, a high percentage of the businesses are owned by people who do not live in the community. When you spend money there, the profit goes home with the owner to a different zip code.
• The "Black Tax" on Businesses: Small businesses in these areas often have higher insurance, security, and supply costs because they lack the "bulk-buying" power of a chain. Since you are someone who looks for price matches(like your Micro Center strategy), you know that if a local store has to charge 20% more to cover their overhead, savvy consumers will naturally go elsewhere to save money.

3. Velocity vs. Buying Power​

There is a massive gap between Buying Power and Wealth Retention:

• Buying Power: Black consumer spending in the U.S. is projected to reach nearly $2 trillion by 2025.
• The Multiplier Effect: The goal of "Buy Black" initiatives isn't just about the first transaction; it's about the multiplier effect. When a local business owner earns a dollar, they ideally use it to pay a local employee, who then spends it at a local cafe. In many low-income neighborhoods, this "chain" is broken after the very first step because the local cafe or the local wholesaler doesn't exist.

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Comparison of Circulation​

Factor	High-Retention Neighborhoods	Low-Income Black Neighborhoods
Banking	High density of local banks/credit unions.	"Banking Deserts" (higher reliance on check-cashing spots).
Retail	Diverse mix of local shops and chains.	Prevalance of "extractive" retail (dollar stores).
Professional Services	Local accountants, lawyers, and tech help.	Services often outsourced to firms outside the area.
Wealth retention	High (Money turns over 3-5x).	Low (Money often leaves on the 1st or 2nd turn).

The Bottom Line​

The "6-hour" stat is a myth used to highlight a painful truth: Low-income Black communities often lack the infrastructure to keep money local. Strengthening the local economy isn't just about "spending habits"—it’s about building the "ecosystem" (banks, grocery stores, and service providers) so that the money has a place to stay.7


Would you like me to look into which cities currently have the highest rates of "Retail Leakage" in their underserved neighborhoods?

 

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All of the Arab and Indian and South East Asian businesses that set up shop in the hood while not employing anyone from the community is one example.

try delineating from those shops i.e. don't give them your money.

 

[Pull Up the Roots]

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Nothing you're posting disproves anything I've said, and it doesn't support your argument either. You're quoting things you don't understand to deflect from the fact that you can't engage my core points. Like I said before, you don't have real beliefs, just a grievance and empty political posturing.

Low-income Black communities often lack the infrastructure to keep money local. Strengthening the local economy isn't just about "spending habits"—it’s about building the "ecosystem" (banks, grocery stores, and service providers) so that the money has a place to stay.7

The funny thing is, your own quote reinforces my point about the problem being a structural one through the lack of banks, services, and real economic infrastructure, not immigrants. You're literally undermining your own argument.

 

[Hey_zeus]

I don't support this but these dummies voted for it after he told them what was up. So I can't even pity these fools.

 

[Unbothered]

I believe most Black people see it from a sympathetic perspective, considering how we were once the recipients of the very similar rhetoric and anti-Black sentiments at the hands of America, White Americans specifically, a long time ago. Look, it doesn't mean one is pro-immigrant or anti-immigrant but rather just indifferent due to historical context.

Y'know how there's rhetoric going around about how immigrants are “taking” Americans' jobs? Well, if you're well-versed on history, there was a time in this country pre-Jim Crow when White people across the country, especially in the South said the same thing about Black people taking their jobs, whatcha think served as the catalyst for a lot of those race riots, public lynchings, Black towns and neighborhoods being burned down, among other atrocities back then?

Many times, it was due to the economic gains Black folks were making, they believed Black people were taking “their” jobs, and that the wealth being accumulated was undeserving and unfair to them. That's the same shyt going on now with these cacs who get their blood boiling whenever they see an immigrant thriving and surviving.

Another reason why Black people are not soo favorable of ICE and this country's immigration tactics is because it's secretly rooted in White Supremacist, White enthostate, etc, agendas. What people like OP and a few others don't understand is that all this isn't because of wanting to protect American jobs, putting Americans first, etc, but rather it's to slow down the inevitable of their population becoming a minority class; right now, they're fighting against the clock.

This ain't got nothing to do with protecting jobs, especially not ours, you see what they've been doing since Trump was re-elected, Black unemployment is skyrocketing, and with cuts to anti-discrimination policies (Affirmative Action, DEI, etc, etc) it's only going to get worse, which should tell you how much White people care about Black people being employed. As much as they'd mock a Black person to “go get a job”, deep down, they don't want you to have one, would prefer it if you had no job, struggling and suffering, until you meet your demise.

Think about this, for as much as White people go on about “Americans first”, they definitely don't look out for Black Americans, if they did, they'd be making sure every Black person was employed, wouldn't be going out of their way to stifle Black employment in the workplace, so while you're sitting here unknowingly helping them with their immigration agenda, just remember who's really fuking you over.

 

[TripleAgent]

I’m not rooting for ICE. I’m also not about to jump on the front line for people that have been disrespectful to us for so long. Latinos, Indians, Africans, whatever. I don’t care. FBA has always been welcoming to these folks that they dumped in our neighborhoods and in turn they have animosity towards us. I’m not wishing bad but HYON

The Black Community is just at the point of exhaustion, we've been caring about everyone else for so long with no reciprocity that we only have the energy to care about ourselves right now, we'll spin the block on all this other stuff once we finish getting our shyt together but for now they got to figure it out on their own.

 

[3rdWorld]

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The US expands its travel ban to Antigua, Barbuda, Dominica, Cuba, Haiti, Jamaica, and other Caribbean nations, impacting tourism, business, and families.

www.travelandtourworld.com

This should arouse many on here..

 

[KillerPups]

Latinos voted for Trump, they getting what they asked for I'm minding my business. make black neighborhoods black again

 

[Voice of Reason]

Nothing you're posting disproves anything I've said, and it doesn't support your argument either. You're quoting things you don't understand to deflect from the fact that you can't engage my core points. Like I said before, you don't have real beliefs, just a grievance and empty political posturing.



The funny thing is, your own quote reinforces my point about the problem being a structural one through the lack of banks, services, and real economic infrastructure, not immigrants. You're literally undermining your own argument.

the bottom line with shills like you is that you don’t care about about low income ADOS people. And I actually have a degree in Economics so you can stop with the insults. These damn musty immigrants that exploit the black community are a negative and they have been a negative since the reconstruction era when they came in and set up stores and shops in the black community like the Asians did in the delta as depicted in the movie sinners. If Black communities owned these businesses ourselves positive things would happen you can not dispute that. So yes I support deportations and the repeal of birth right citizenship

 

[kingofnyc]

I believe most Black people see it from a sympathetic perspective, considering how we were once the recipients of the very similar rhetoric and anti-Black sentiments at the hands of America, White Americans specifically, a long time ago. Look, it doesn't mean one is pro-immigrant or anti-immigrant but rather just indifferent due to historical context.

Y'know how there's rhetoric going around about how immigrants are “taking” Americans' jobs? Well, if you're well-versed on history, there was a time in this country pre-Jim Crow when White people across the country, especially in the South said the same thing about Black people taking their jobs, whatcha think served as the catalyst for a lot of those race riots, public lynchings, Black towns and neighborhoods being burned down, among other atrocities back then?

Many times, it was due to the economic gains Black folks were making, they believed Black people were taking “their” jobs, and that the wealth being accumulated was undeserving and unfair to them. That's the same shyt going on now with these cacs who get their blood boiling whenever they see an immigrant thriving and surviving.

Another reason why Black people are not soo favorable of ICE and this country's immigration tactics is because it's secretly rooted in White Supremacist, White enthostate, etc, agendas. What people like OP and a few others don't understand is that all this isn't because of wanting to protect American jobs, putting Americans first, etc, but rather it's to slow down the inevitable of their population becoming a minority class; right now, they're fighting against the clock.

This ain't got nothing to do with protecting jobs, especially not ours, you see what they've been doing since Trump was re-elected, Black unemployment is skyrocketing, and with cuts to anti-discrimination policies (Affirmative Action, DEI, etc, etc) it's only going to get worse, which should tell you how much White people care about Black people being employed. As much as they'd mock a Black person to “go get a job”, deep down, they don't want you to have one, would prefer it if you had no job, struggling and suffering, until you meet your demise.

Think about this, for as much as White people go on about “Americans first”, they definitely don't look out for Black Americans, if they did, they'd be making sure every Black person was employed, wouldn't be going out of their way to stifle Black employment in the workplace, so while you're sitting here unknowingly helping them with their immigration agenda, just remember who's really fuking you over.

your pre-Jim Crow analogy is a flat out reached

1 the span of that time was only a few years not even five

2. The primary jobs available with agriculture and construction and there’s no way to sugarcoat it but us coming off enslavement made us 10 times more skillful than your average cac

3. at the end of the day you have to ask yourself how many racist southern cacs who owned businesses is going to hire one of us over their own , especially coming off 250 years of free labor.

lastly, and for the record, I’m not debating whether or not one or two southern cac use this tactic … My only issue is that it’s not comparable. It’s pretty much apples to oranges to what has going on for the last or past 60 something years in America.