Are mexicans jealous of blacks?

[MexicanKingpin]

nikka seriously thinks getting over tatted is from Mexicans.

Let me guess those Biker gangs were copying off of Mexicans too?

there's mexican biker's

 

[Bawon Samedi]

@Dafuxweinventedallhiphop

Also as for your precious Zoot suits, yeah they too were an invetion of us African Americans.

The zoot suit was originally associated with Afro-American musicians and their sub-culture. According to the Oxford English Dictionary, the word zoot probably comes from a reduplication of suit. The creation and naming of the zoot suit have been variously attributed to Harold C. Fox, a Chicago clothier and big-band trumpeter;[3] Louis Lettes, a Memphis tailor;[4] and Nathan (Toddy) Elkus, a Detroit retailer.[5][6]Anti-Mexican youth riots in Los Angeles during World War II are known as the Zoot Suit Riots. In time, zoot suits were prohibited for the duration of the war,[7] ostensibly because they used too much cloth.[8]

"A Zoot Suit (For My Sunday Gal)" was a 1942 song written by L. Wolfe Gilbert and Bob O'Brien.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zoot_suit

With jacket arms that reached the fingertips and pants worn tight at the waist, bulging at the knees and choked at the ankles, it was nearly impossible to ignore a man wearing a zoot suit.


Accessorized with a key chain that extended to the knees and a fedora-like hat with a feather attached, the fashion certainly said something about those who sported it. But what statement were those who were donning the look in the late 1930s and early 1940s trying to make?

That’s one of questions Kathy Peiss explores in her new book, “Zoot Suit: The Enigmatic Career of an Extreme Style.” In the book, Peiss, the Roy F. and Jeannette P. Nichols Professor of American History in Penn’s School of Arts and Sciences, examines the fashion phenomenon that became so politically polarizing it played a part in sparking a vicious uprising in California, known as the Zoot Suit Riots.

“I argue that people [wore] it for a whole range of reasons,” she says. “It had many different meanings, including the pleasure of looking sharp and being part of a group of young people in the war years. The zoot suit should not be looked at solely as a costume that conveys political resistance.”

Peiss traces the creation of the zoot suit to Harlem in the mid to late 1930s, when tailors began making them out of wool or colorful varieties of rayon. Although its exact origin is unknown, the term “zoot suit” appears to have come from the rhyming slang, or jive, spoken in the African-American community at the time, Peiss says.

“They were generally worn by young men of African-American descent, initially,” Peiss says. “Mexican-American and white working-class men also would wear them. Typically they would buy them at local clothing shops and have them tailored to this oversized style.”

The suit’s rise in popularity coincided with the emergence of the jitterbug and other forms of swing dance music. The flowing look of the suit was particularly flashy on the dance floor, and young people took note. Their parents, however, were not quite as smitten by the style.

“Initially it was mainly a mystery to mainstream Americans,” Peiss says. “It was seen as strange but not necessarily sinister. Over time there [was] a perception that the zoot suit is unpatriotic.”

At the dawn of World War II, the zoot suit was condemned by the U.S. government as wasteful. Not surprisingly, the criticism did little to dissuade its fans from wearing it, and in fact may have even attracted more people to the look. In the early 1940s, working-class youth, entertainers and dancers continued to wear zoot suits, and the look spread to Italian Americans, Jews, and even some teenage girls.

“In the midst of the war it is associated with men who are criminals or members of gangs,” Peiss explains. “Around 1943, there is a riot that breaks out in Los Angeles. White servicemen and civilians begin to attack young men, especially Mexican-American men. They rip the clothing off their bodies, and the zoot suit takes on this sense of being a danger.”

In her book, Peiss writes that during the Zoot Suit Riots, “a band of 50 sailors armed themselves with makeshift weapons, left their naval base and coursed into downtown Los Angeles in search of young Mexican Americans in zoot suits.” The sailors viciously beat the zoot suiters, and the next day even more servicemen “hired a convoy of taxicabs to go into to East Los Angeles, where they accosted pachucos [Mexican Americans] on the street and even pushed their way into private homes.”

“On the one hand it may seem like a trivial style, but what I would say is that we have a tendency to read style for its political and social and economic and cultural meaning,” Peiss says. “I think we should do so with a careful understanding that how we adorn the body and how we fashion our looks and ourselves matters.”

Though the zoot suit is largely gone, it is not forgotten. It reemerged in the late 1960s with the rise of the Chicano Rights Movement, and as a sort of retro fashion in the early 1990s with the revival of swing music and dance. In 2001, the swing band Cherry Poppin’ Daddies released an album called “Zoot Suit Riot.”

“It keeps returning because it is an extreme style of men’s dress, and most men wear relatively conservative styles, which tend to make them inconspicuous,” Peiss says. “It continues to have a hold on the imagination.”

http://www.upenn.edu/pennnews/curre...oot-suit-all-american-fashion-changed-history

Must feel inferior wearing African-American fashion.


HA!

 

[Bawon Samedi]

there's mexican biker's

The only major Hispanic biker gang I heard of were the Mongols and they're mostly limited to Southern Cali and their influence is quite small. Not only that they appear to be recent...

 

[Dafuxweinventedallhiphop]

Really? Because last time I checked Japanese/Yakuza tattooing style looked like this...

Try again.

And one shouldn't talk about "having no culture", when your precious Chicano rap is a subgenre of Hip Hop/Rap which was not only started by BLACKS from the Bronx, but was influenced by BLACK CREATED genres. Yeah talk about having no culture.

Yeah lets talk about not having culture. Food? We got that. Art ? We got that, matter of fact all over your peoples bodies. Language? yup. Dress? Yup! You know 10,000 nikkas have died over that style of dress that LA Mexicans created. Shoot as far as NYC! Negroes were killing each other over what nikka was wearing what rag and what nikka was graffiting in chicano/mexican Mexican graffiti styles. LOL.

You call that culture? You done knocked off everything we did and call it African American. Lets get into your hip hop.

Hip hop art? A VAST MAJORITY OF IT IS SURENO_CHICANO_MEXICANO.
Hip Hop Clothing? A vast MAJORITY OF IT IS ? SOCAL LOS ANGELES WHOM MIND YOU IS DEEPLY INFLUENCED BY WHITE SKATERS AND MEXICANS.
Hip Hop Cars/Ink? Well come on! the vast majority of these rappers ball players were inked in by ESE CHICANOS Cartoon, Boog, Placaso, Ed Lopez. All Mexicans
Hi hop Graffiti? Yeah theres the NYC ( mexicans had no hand in) But West Coast Graff is all MEXICAN ALL DAY! From the style of lettering to the style of drawing!

Bottom line. There is 2 hip hop cultures today that are polar opposites. The East and West. The East is black all day but the West has No black influence in it at all. Its all mexican in its art, graffiti, clothing, whips and lifestyle with black words and lyrics!!

 

[Dafuxweinventedallhiphop]

@Dafuxweinventedallhiphop

Also as for your precious Zoot suits, yeah they too were an invetion of us African Americans.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zoot_suit


http://www.upenn.edu/pennnews/curre...oot-suit-all-american-fashion-changed-history

Must feel inferior wearing African-American fashion.


HA!

Actually it was Filipinos, Blacks and Mexicans whom the original wiki articles states as having created that style. The Filipinos say that it was a style for bangers in their countries in the early 1900s. By the way the filipino gangs all merged into mega mexican gangs/ Pinoy Real 13 , temple st 13, Avenues 13

 

[Bawon Samedi]

Yeah lets talk about not having culture. Food? We got that. Art ? We got that, matter of fact all over your peoples bodies. Language? yup. Dress? Yup! You know 10,000 nikkas have died over that style of dress that LA Mexicans created. Shoot as far as NYC! Negroes were killing each other over what nikka was wearing what rag and what nikka was graffiting in chicano/mexican Mexican graffiti styles. LOL.

You call that culture? You done knocked off everything we did and call it African American. Lets get into your hip hop.

Hip hop art? A VAST MAJORITY OF IT IS SURENO_CHICANO_MEXICANO.
Hip Hop Clothing? A vast MAJORITY OF IT IS ? SOCAL LOS ANGELES WHOM MIND YOU IS DEEPLY INFLUENCED BY WHITE SKATERS AND MEXICANS.
Hip Hop Cars/Ink? Well come on! the vast majority of these rappers ball players were inked in by ESE CHICANOS Cartoon, Boog, Placaso, Ed Lopez. All Mexicans
Hi hop Graffiti? Yeah theres the NYC ( mexicans had no hand in) But West Coast Graff is all MEXICAN ALL DAY! From the style of lettering to the style of drawing!

Bottom line. There is 2 hip hop cultures today that are polar opposites. The East and West. The East is black all day but the West has No black influence in it at all. Its all mexican in its art, graffiti, clothing, whips and lifestyle with black words and lyrics!!

This guy is a riot!!!

This clown SERIOUSLY thinks the Hip Hop culture derives from Mexicans!!!

Yeah you def trolling or this is EXTREME insecurity.

 

[Tommy Knocks]

As for how we fit into society : There are literally HUNDREDS of cultures in this country. Colombians,Haitians, Dominicans, Puerto Ricans, Nicaraguans, Cambodians. Think about how ALL THOSE respond to assimilation in America. Their parents bring their culture with them into America and by the first time the their kids enter school they dress and act white or black or Mexican. The entire Southwest and Actually the entirety of America has come to view the culture of Mexican Americans as their own when in reality-blacks,whites or anyone had NO HAND in SHAPING ANY OF IT! AT ALL.

dikkies, Chucks, Lowriders, Gang signs, Graffiti, Modern Tattooing, Skater Culture, Alternative, Black Urban styles outside of NYC all got their cue from MEXICANS. The teardrops,hand tattoos, teh dikkies dressing, lowrider riding banging has been done 140 years by Mexicans in the ghettos of LA. If you think about how old that is compared to black American ( HIP HOP ) culture........basically when DOGTOWN, WHITE FENCE, HARPIES, AVENUES, CLANTON where out their gang banging blacks in the majority of America were still using toilets that read colored and still living majority wise in the South. As an example: Every single one of those gangs was involved in the Zoot Suit riots in 1943. Every single one is still active as hell today.

Now whom copies whom? throwing up that west side? whom copies whom when you cant see a black athlete,rapper or ball player without some sort of ESE, CHICANO, MEXICAN inkwork? What really do MExicans copy from blacks? Cause Mexicans in LA are original as hell and its blacks whom copied us and sold it to the rest of black America in a washed down way!

slow down there player. Youre talking about LA and LA ONLY. Im from LA, so what youre saying is half truth. You think nikkas dress like us cali cats ride lowriders outside LA? hell nah, and LA is only 6% black, of course we will get influence, but making it seem like blacks in general are biting mexicans when the majority of blacks in the entire country have no contact with them is ABSURD AS fukk. Slow down there buddy. Blacks are saturated in the deep south and midwest, and they for damn sure aint biting the socal style. In fact, only 2% of the black population live in LA So youre bragging about 2% of blacks biting some mexican style, but I can assure you we have a much greater influence on mexicans who are now congregated in various cities all across america as minorities in all major cities outside the southwest, where we are the dominate numbers. Heck you dont even have to leave califa, just look at norcal, they aint even fukking with that cholo style, they urban the fukk up out there. why you think they say nikka and got an alliance with us? and we still only make up like 5% of norcal. this fool thinking socal is all of america

 

[Captain]

Don't even ban him...

This is entertaining and could go for days

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[Dafuxweinventedallhiphop]

The only major Hispanic biker gang I heard of were the Mongols and they're mostly limited to Southern Cali and their influence is quite small. Not only that they appear to be recent...

Vagos, Hells Angels, Bandidos. All had Mexicans in their roots from the begining. Theres 1 race not allowed. Blacks.

 

[Barnett114]

This fence hopper is killing me.

 

[Bawon Samedi]

Actually it was Filipinos, Blacks and Mexicans whom the original wiki articles states as having created that style. The Filipinos say that it was a style for bangers in their countries in the early 1900s. By the way the filipino gangs all merged into mega mexican gangs/ Pinoy Real 13 , temple st 13, Avenues 13

Nope.

Zoot suits came from Harlem where at that time was PREDOMINANTLY BLACK! Zoot suits didn't reach Cali until later. Zoot suits originally had sh*t to do with gangs or Filipinos. The hell are you talking about???

Here's yet another source that says the same thing

Initially an African American youth fashion, closely connected to jazz culture, the zoot suit was co-opted by a generation of Mexican American kids, who made it their own.

The oversized suit was both an outrageous style and a statement of defiance. Zoot suiters asserted themselves, at a time when fabric was being rationed for the war effort, and in the face of widespread discrimination.

Zoot suits were reserved for special occasions -- a dance or a birthday party. The amount of material and tailoring required made them luxury items. Many kids wore a toned-down version of the "draped" pants or styled their hair in the signature "ducktail."

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/zoot/eng_sfeature/sf_zoot.html

Yeah stop stealing our culture. ;)

 

[Gains]

cant we all wear dikkies and get a long

 

[Bawon Samedi]

@Dafuxweinventedallhiphop

You better get the fukk outta here!!! @Tommy Knocks is here...

 

[Tommy Knocks]

Show me African American tattoo styles. Why you dont do this : go to google, type in black rapper style tattoos, or African American tattoos and see what you come up with in images. When your done type in CHICANO TATTOO STYLES...........and you tell me whom those negroes look like! fact is my grandpapi was inked in the way Lil Wayne was, Kid Cuddy and Tyga is! My grand dad! WAY BEFORE YOU nikkaS EVER THOUGHT IT WAS COOL!

actually the body tatts come from Lil Wayne. Prior to him, it wasnt popular. Wayne got it from skaters/rockers, which he slowly transitioned to shortly after.

you gonna sit here and lie to these folks that blacks were tatting their whole body prior to the 00s? WHO? name names, I need receipts....

chucks aint mexican either. WE were wearing chucks, yall were wearing nike cortez. QUIT LYIN TO THESE FOLKS.

 

[Dafuxweinventedallhiphop]

slow down there player. Youre talking about LA and LA ONLY. Im from LA, so what youre saying is half truth. You think nikkas dress like us cali cats ride lowriders outside LA? hell nah, and LA is only 6% black, of course we will get influence, but making it seem like blacks in general are biting mexicans when the majority of blacks in the entire country have no contact with them is ABSURD AS fukk. Slow down there buddy. Blacks are saturated in the deep south and midwest, and they for damn sure aint biting the socal style. In fact, only 2% of the black population live in LA So youre bragging about 2% of blacks biting some mexican style, but I can assure you we have a much greater influence on mexicans who are now congregated in various cities as minorities in a major cities outside the southwest where we are the dominate numbers. Heck you dont even have to leave califa, just look at norcal. They aint even fukking with that cholo style, they urban the fukk up out there. why you think they say nikka and got an alliance with us? and we still only make up like 5% of norcal.

NO WAY ESE. Im bragging about our influence over all blacks not just LA blacks! I mean look at Soldier Boy......since your from LA you tell me he dont look like a Mexican in his ink style. That dude aint never met a LA Mexican yet him and millions of blacks are tatted in that style. Now lets get into hip hop ESE. There are 2 really different styles of hiphop, I wont count the style of the South because they basically dress like your average East Coast nikka.

WEST COAST

Lowrding, old school gear, cholo graffiti, chicano art, chicano tattoos, gang banging,

EAST COAST.

Newer gear, Big rims on supped up whips, east coast graff, east coast dance.

You tell me what really did nikkas bring to the West Coast except East Coast style of music ( RAP) cause the ink, the graff, the clothing, the whips, the banging had NOTHING TO DO WITH BLACKS and in fact it wasnt till 2005 that nikkas even started getting inked in like mexicans, in Mexican style.