Are these women Black?

[O.T.I.S.]

yall can settle this by actually @ Biracial posters

@O.T.I.S. @Gil Scott-Heroin @Lil Gator Reloaded

two of these posters(Otis, and Gil) identify as black. IDK about Gator tho i think he does to

Plus if they have a ADOS parent they much right as anybody to identify as such

theres prolly a few more I am forgetting

Yeah I don’t even consider myself biracial... I’m black af.

grew up in the south, didn’t even know I was biracial until I was like in middle school. Never even crossed my mind... still doesn’t on an everyday basis

 

[3rdWorld]

Would you say Chris Browns kid is black? Is ados?


He has Ados Ancestry but he’s not black nor proper ados the way Meek Mill is.

At some point it gets ridiculous and makes Black people look like weak fools with no identity. The fact almost anyone can become Black in the US is not a good look.
Mariah Carey father is Black, but no one sees her as Black.

The idea that if you 'feel' Black yet look damn near white makes you Black is also asinine.

 

[Cadillac]

There’s some cultural/intellectual dishonesty in the ‘mixed heritage is black in an ados context’

Having one white parent in 1995 is very different from having one white parent in 1975, 1955, 1855, 1755. The further in time you go through more culturally black those children would be. From enslaved person to the white family member being disowned.


Today these people are being raised by white people in culturally white settings in peace and mostly accepting scenarios. That’s very different from 300 years ago.


As the rate of mulattos increases and others become more accepting, they’ll begin to accept they are as white as they are black or whatever.

Um

Asante man. Ghanaian. BLACK.
l.

Your s Ghanaian in Europe you have no idea of what's happening in America my guy, the mechanism of how yall work is different from how we run our system here.

Secondly the issue is more in regards to their lineage not of them being mixed. hence why my post which started this mess. I included the darkskin chick and that she is not black either.

Biracials raised by white parents doesnt mean they will reject their blackness nor uphold their whiteness more.
Keapernick, Andre ward, J cole, etc are all biracials raised by white parents(foster for keapernick) and they all identify as black

Are their ones like what you described yep, but same can happen raised by a black. Its all dependent on person in which case most identify or lean toward black/ados side of theirs.

IDK what it is and how you all up in London work but thats not how it runs here.

The bolded is the only thing that matters.

correct. and alot do identify as such.

 

[Sterling Archer]

if one of your parents isn't black, then you aren't black, no matter what you 'identify' as.

Nothing else needs to be said.

 

[RTF]

Um


Your s Ghanaian in Europe you have no idea of what's happening in America my guy, the mechanism of how yall work is different from how we run our system here.

Secondly the issue is more in regards to their lineage not of them being mixed. hence why my post which started this mess. I included the darkskin chick and that she is not black either.

Biracials raised by white parents doesnt mean they will reject their blackness nor uphold their whiteness more.
Keapernick, Andre ward, J cole, etc are all biracials raised by white parents(foster for keapernick) and they all identify as black

Are their ones like what you described yep, but same can happen raised by a black. Its all dependent on person in which case most identify or lean toward black/ados side of theirs.

IDK what it is and how you all up in London work but thats not how it runs here.


correct. and alot do identify as such.

I’m familiar with ADOS and how ethnicity has been followed.

Yes biracials can accept their blackness nobody said they couldn’t. But their whiteness should also be acknowledged. But whatever I hold no issues with them saying they’re black. My issue is the line must be drawn somewhere.

but again I use the chris brown example. Is his son black? Ados?


Jewish people (and asante’s) have a clear path. If your mother is Jewish, you are Jewish. So I know people that I consider black (mixed black Jewish mum, black dad), Jews consider them Jewish. Which is fair. Does the same or similar apply for black/ados? Because that makes Logic black

 

[Sterling Archer]

nikkas get tight over this.

 

[murksiderock]

Yeah I don’t even consider myself biracial... I’m black af.

grew up in the south, didn’t even know I was biracial until I was like in middle school. Never even crossed my mind... still doesn’t on an everyday basis

Neither do most "biracials", which is a central theme of this thread some posters are trying to refute. We all grew up with a "biracial" or few (or many). We can all count on one hand how many had a black parent who didn't self-identify as black, and it aint because we "forced" them to choose...

There is no such thing as "biracial culture", it literally doesn't exist, add that with the fact that most African-Americans are heavily "mixed", is why I say "biracial" isnt a real thing, not in the United States. And the evidence of this is how many blacks of historical significance had a nonblack parent in this country...

People want it to be a thing so bad some of us have rejected people we've always embraced as one and the same, and some if these people with a nonblack parent are vocal about not identifying as black, which is cool and thats their right....but we all know they are in the minority and don't represent the majority of people who have one black/one nonblack parent....

This fukking forum is nutty on black and race related matters lol...

 

[Cadillac]

I’m familiar with ADOS and how ethnicity has been followed.

Yes biracials can accept their blackness nobody said they couldn’t. But their whiteness should also be acknowledged. But whatever I hold no issues with them saying they’re black. My issue is the line must be drawn somewhere.

but again I use the chris brown example. Is his son black? Ados?


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No you dont, your ghanian in london, you nikkas who are not even in the US think you know us because of what these in the basement nikkas on the coli/internet tell you(which half of them are not even ados themselves)

comparing jews and their customs to us shows you dont, and asking if CB's son is black is another indicator.(which yes he is if he identifies as such when he grows old)

their nonblack ancestry can be acknowleged if they want to or dont, that is up to them. Your "whiteness should be acknowledged" is some cac/foreigner shyt you all try to push on black americans

if thats how yall up there in london roll, fine but quit with trying to push it as if we need that.

 

[3rdWorld]

Dudes born to a White mother that raised them now denying her existence in order to fit into some social construct..

You're part white, acknowledge it breh..

 

[RTF]

No you dont, your ghanian in london, you nikkas who are not even in the US think you know us because of what these in the basement nikkas on the coli/internet tell you(which half of them are not even ados themselves)

comparing jews and their customs to us shows you dont, and asking if CB's son is black is another indicator.(which yes he is if he identifies as such when he grows old)

their nonblack ancestry can be acknowleged if they want to or dont, that is up to them. Your "whiteness should be acknowledged" is some cac/foreigner shyt you all try to push on black americans

if thats how yall up there in london roll, fine but quit with trying to push it as if we need that.

Yeh that doesn’t make sense to me in 2020. CB’s son is born in 2018 and is likely to have less than 25% African DNA. He won’t be raised culturally black either.

back to my earlier point. The same admixture might be true if Malcolm X mother. But the culture of that time is very different to today.

If left up to you the face of black America will change from Jay Z, Michael Jordan, Michael B. Jordan, LeBron to people who look like Kehlani.

 

[Low End Derrick]

They aint ADOS, simple as that. Black outside of the def we made and established via our history as ADOS has mainly just been about skin tone

by that logic alot of people including the people coli resent like indians can count.

Nope. I've travelled extensively, and the term black is almost always exclusively used in describing people of Sub-Saharan descent.

the def of "black" that we as modern day people use and think off is solely and primarily about ADOS.

Once again, not true.

When people see Pele, Usain Bolt, Naomi Campbell, Anthony Joshua, etc. they see black people.

it also doesnt help that other people do not abide by the idea of blackness as we do. Others hid and align more with other identities.

What ideas are these?

 

[Rev Leon Lonnie Love]

Nope. I've travelled extensively, and the term black is almost always exclusively used in describing people of Sub-Saharan descent.



Once again, not true.

When people see Pele, Usain Bolt, Naomi Campbell, Anthony Joshua, etc. they see black people.



What ideas are these?

He's an idiot who doesn't understand half of what he posts. I put him on ignore after that reply. I cannot engage with posters like that anymore. It's exhausting.

 

[GilSho]

The fact that people are shocked when biracials marry white is wild to me


THEYRE HALF WHITE. THEY HAVE A WHITE PARENT

Coli nikkas call Sage Steele & Halle Berry bedwenches because they married white.

 

[Cadillac]

Nope. I've travelled extensively, and the term black is almost always exclusively used in describing people of Sub-Saharan descent.

alot of you nikkas are dense, because i never denied about the other contexts and meaning for "black" which mean people who are dark. african, etc

im talking about our meaning of what "black" is, everyone in the world has diff def of what black is, and we have our own. That is what im talking about and inr regards to who is black in america

only we are black and its the primary thing im referring to.

Once again, not true.

When people see Pele, Usain Bolt, Naomi Campbell, Anthony Joshua, etc. they see black people.

They only see them as black via the other meanings and versions of it for people who are dark/come from africa etc. AGAIN

that is not the type of black im talking about.

What ideas are these?

That blackness is more than a phenotype/how dark you are. Its everything from lineage, culture, identity, etc

its why in black american culture and our sphere in which "black" is more than skin tone someone who is light as Mike bibby can be called and seen as black.

You also have that being black is the primary identity thus there is no tribalism among black americans like that.


these and many more does not carry over into other cultures. You can sit here and keep capping all you want for nonados to try to argue just to argue. But other nonados have spilled the beans on how they operate in their terms of "black" and there have been documents, videos etc on how other places like brazil operate.

 

[Low End Derrick]

alot of you nikkas are dense, because i never denied about the other contexts and meaning for "black" which mean people who are dark. african, etc

im talking about our meaning of what "black" is, everyone in the world has diff def of what black is, and we have our own. That is what im talking about and inr regards to who is black in america

only we are black and its the primary thing im referring to.

Who are we? Because, as an "ADOS" I personally see no difference in blackness between Africans, Caribbeans, Euros and us.

And I know many "ADOS" who feel the same way.

They only see them as black via the other meanings and versions of it for people who are dark/come from africa etc. AGAIN

that is not the type of black im talking about.

Nope.

Non black people around the world see them in the same light as they see MLK, Denzel Washington, Obama, or Beyonce.

That blackness is more than a phenotype/how dark you are. Its everything from lineage, culture, identity, etc

Those are the characteristics of ethnicity. We're talking about race.

its why in black american culture and our sphere in which "black" is more than skin tone someone who is light as Mike bibby can be called and seen as black.

Well, according to your logic, you shouldn't, seeing as Mike Bibby is of non-ADOS stock.

You also have that being black is the primary identity thus there is no tribalism among black americans like that.

This isn't exclusive to black Americans.

these and many more does not carry over into other cultures. You can sit here and keep capping all you want for nonados to try to argue just to argue. But other nonados have spilled the beans on how they operate in their terms of "black" and there have been documents, videos etc on how other places like brazil operate.

I'm not arguing just to argue.

You're bringing up talking points that I've literally never heard of in real life, and I'm just trying to understand how you've come to these conclusions.