Are we ready to admit that R&B isn't a real genre of music?

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Just think for a minute

What is R&B? Going just off the name itself. Rhythm and Blues, meaning the focus is on a strong beat with a blues influence :jbhmm:

Which would mean anything from song structure to using the blues scale to a focus on the classic rhythm section combo of guitar, bass, piano/keys, and drums

Is that not rock music? Is that not jazz? Is that not even country music?

What I'm getting at is that R&B is a catch all term used to describe any type of music performed by us. In the beginning, they called it race records. But when that became too politically incorrect, they had to switch it up with a euphemism. We all know what it means

Take how even today artists like FKA Twigs get called R&B when she don't make the kind of music associated with that label

I feel like R&B should really just be called rock music since it's an evolution on rock n roll. Whereas white artists took rock in a more abrasive, headbanginng direction, we went more smooth and melodic. Actually not that different in intent when you think about it :jbhmm:

But no matter how you slice it, R&B serves more of a purpose segregating artists in a cd store than actual utility in understanding music development through history

I dont put much stock with genre labels as it is, but R&B really just feels like answering to being called "negro" or "colored". Now I understand when we use it it's not meant to downplay or exclude our artists. And I'm not necessarily saying you're right or wrong for using it. Just something to think about :manny:
 

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Yes and No. You cant deny the origins of it, but in terms of what its transformed to be... thats another convo because of the industry, marketing, and ethnic divide, they would position white artist in rock and black artist as R&B.

Right now, R&B has become more of a cultural shorthand than a musical description depending on the artist. It categorize anything soulful, emotional, or melodic made by Black artists, regardless of whether it actually follows that old “rhythm and blues” formula.

But i think theres also a kind of power in how artists are reclaiming and redefined what R&B can be. You can go back / trace a whole evolution from Motown (Temptations) and classic soul (Isley Brothers) through neo-soul (D'angelo) in the ’90s and 2000s, to the genre-bending experiments of alternative R&B artists (FKA Twigs, Frank Ocean, or SZA). Artist like Leon Bridges fall into that origin sound.

But you can see each wave stretches the boundaries of the genre and reshapes what it represents and it makes it even more impactful.
 
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90's R&B had a lot more ties to rhythm and blues compared to todays "R&B" which doesn't and sounds b*stardized. I can see your argument for todays landscape.
Today's R&B is a natural progression once you look at the evolution of black music as one family tree instead of R&B as one singular thing

Artists like Curtis Mayfield, Michael Jackson, and The Isley Brothers incorporated and experimented with other popular sounds of the time to create their music. So it's following in that same tradition for modern R&B artists to incorporate an influence from trap, drill, and other contemporary forms of rap music

You say b*stardization but how else would you expect music to sound? It's not like music is created in a vacuum. It would be strange if modern R&B just ignored everything else going on in music. Especially a genre it's so closely tied to like Hip hop
 

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90's R&B had a lot more ties to rhythm and blues compared to todays "R&B" which doesn't and sounds b*stardized. I can see your argument for todays landscape.

True but if we really sit and look at it, a lot of what we considered 90’s R&b was straight up pop. Blues, soul, new jack swing, actual R&b/disco, and pop (basically anything with a black voice singing) got crammed together under R&b.

It hurts us in the long run because it gives us less of an opportunity on the charts. It also de-incentivizes the musical, artistic, and regional variety we used to have. When the clear channel deal happened it was a wrap.

Other genres have countless official sub-genres to chart in, we barely have a handful to fight over.

Of course artists always leaned toward what was popular, but now there’s no choice but to chase what’s currently charting, and only a sliver of room for real innovation. Algorithmic promotion makes it near impossible for anything other than white, Ivy League bro A&R repressed music to rise to the top of you aren’t already a mega star.
 
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