Are we ready to admit that R&B isn't a real genre of music?

[Westbama Heartthrob]

Pop would actually be a more accurate subject for this thread. It’s not a real genre of music at all.

Neither are. But like @Yzak said, pop is the cac R&B

There's no musical cohesion between pop. It's just about what's the best selling, popular music. So, in a majority white country, how do you become one of its best selling artists?

Gotta be shyt white people can vibe with, so it's inherently a racial thing instead of a pure musical one

Just look at our crossover artists like MJ, Prince, or Jimi Hendrix. Unquestionably black music, but still existing within a system of white preferences dictating tastemaking. Like I said earlier, R&B is really rock music performed by black artists

Whites stole the look and sound of a particular type of rock. I.e. distortion, speed, and aggression. But we've allowed them to convince us that our own development and iteration upon rock n roll music isn't what it is

Ironically, I guess you can say we lost the rock and they forgot the roll. Cause rock n roll was sped up blues to dance to

 

[Westbama Heartthrob]

Sounds Like a cac talking point before trying to relabel and claim ownership.........

Like that shyt they tried/tring to do......slowed and reverbed.......

Wish a mufukka would........hope the ghost of DJ screw haunts and ruins whatever they got going on

It's a cac talking point that R&B is a label created to segregate black artists and allow whites to claim ownership of the music we created?

 

[Richard Glidewell]

It's a cac talking point that R&B is a label created to segregate black artists and allow whites to claim ownership of the music we created?

Genre labels is segregation and is what is allowing white people to steal music?! So what does that mean for other genres of music we have created then?! Are those now also not real music?!

 

[987654321]

Pop isn't a genre it's short for popular. It's a designation of audience, which is why you can have country, rap, rnb, and folk music on the pop charts are certified as pop hits. Imho

I get it. I even looked it up afterwards for clarity. It officially is and isn’t a genre. It’s meant to officially classify “popular” music, which it sometimes does. It’s also officially used to classify specific music that is engineered to be “pop”.

 

[Barlow]

Not know how genres and sub genres work brehs

 

[987654321]

Genre labels is segregation and is what is allowing white people to steal music?! So what does that mean for other genres of music we have created then?! Are those now also not real music?!

Nah, we get them back

 

[boogers]

Big wake n bake energy

nothing wrong with that im sneak hitting my weed cart as we speak

 

[hood b. goode]

"Are we ready to admit (rage bait)"

Worst type of thread or social media post

 

[Westbama Heartthrob]

Genre labels is segregation and is what is allowing white people to steal music?! So what does that mean for other genres of music we have created then?! Are those now also not real music?!

Yeah, its def segregation. Whether if it's for stocking shelves at the music store or deciding who fits into what category at an awards show

It all reinforces excluding black artists from the conversation, so white artists don't have to compete.

And as for other genres we created, it just depends

Jazz, funk, and Hip hop are def their own genres even though they're all in the same lineage of black music. I mean anyone can spit hairs and make their argument why they're not, but it's enough stylistic differences to wanna separate genres that doesn't exist with R&B

Keeping with the pop comparisons, R&B would moreso be what styles appeal to the largest segment of black music listeners. Kinda like when we call certain artists "black famous". Well known and celebrated to us whether they chart or not. Their work is a staple

 

[drederick tatum]

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

this is a hell of a take

 

[IllmaticDelta]

Just think for a minute

What is R&B? Going just off the name itself. Rhythm and Blues, meaning the focus is on a strong beat with a blues influence

Which would mean anything from song structure to using the blues scale to a focus on the classic rhythm section combo of guitar, bass, piano/keys, and drums

What first came to be known as "Rhythm & Blues" was actually in simple terms = uptempo Blues w/ a hard backbeat

Is that not rock music?

Yes, early Rock n Roll music is simply Rhythm and Blues with a name change

Is that not jazz?

Jazz is a swung music w/o backbeats (before Hardbop and Fusion came along via Black Gosepl and then Rock n Roll)

Is that not even country music?

Country music is early blues + white anglo-celtic twang. Country didn't have any backbeats until it absorbed R&B and became Hillbilly Boogie/Rockabilly and modern commercial Country

What I'm getting at is that R&B is a catch all term used to describe any type of music performed by us.

No, it's really a SPECIFIC music that began in the 1940s/1950s

In the beginning, they called it race records. But when that became too politically incorrect, they had to switch it up with a euphemism. We all know what it means

Take how even today artists like FKA Twigs get called R&B when she don't make the kind of music associated with that label

This is because FKA Twigs uses/sings in Soul music-derived style; In the beginning before it was called "Soul", the style of music that Ray Charles birthed was ALSO called R&B

I feel like R&B should really just be called rock music since it's an evolution on rock n roll. Whereas white artists took rock in a more abrasive, headbanginng direction, we went more smooth and melodic. Actually not that different in intent when you think about it

Modern "White Rock N Roll" stayed closer to Black Electric (and acoustic) Blues (a variant of Rhythm & Blues that Chuck Berry and Bo Diddley came out of)











While Blacks acts mixed in Black Gospel vocals to the R&B (which is technically Rock n Roll under its original name) and turned it into Soul->Funk/Funk Rock->Disco

But no matter how you slice it, R&B serves more of a purpose segregating artists in a cd store than actual utility in understanding music development through history

I dont put much stock with genre labels as it is, but R&B really just feels like answering to being called "negro" or "colored". Now I understand when we use it it's not meant to downplay or exclude our artists. And I'm not necessarily saying you're right or wrong for using it. Just something to think about

"R&B" isn't a catchall term in the way "Race music" was but obviously, it can be used in a way to segregate music/musicians.

 

[Westbama Heartthrob]

What first came to be known as "Rhythm & Blues" was actually in simple terms = uptempo Blues w/ a hard backbeat






Yes, early Rock n Roll music is simply Rhythm and Blues with a name change

Jazz is a swung music w/o backbeats (before Hardbop and Fusion came along via Black Gosepl and then Rock n Roll)









Country music is early blues + white anglo-celtic twang. Country didn't have any backbeats until it absorbed R&B and became Hillbilly Boogie/Rockabilly and modern commercial Country

No, it's really a SPECIFIC music that began in the 1940s/1950s






This is because FKA Twigs uses/sings in Soul music-derived style; In the beginning before it was called "Soul", the style of music that Ray Charles birthed was ALSO called R&B

Modern "White Rock N Roll" stayed closer to Black Electric (and acoustic) Blues (a variant of Rhythm & Blues that Chuck Berry and Bo Diddley came out of)











While Blacks acts mixed in Black Gospel vocals to the R&B (which is technically Rock n Roll under its original name) and turned it into Soul->Funk/Funk Rock->Disco











"R&B" isn't a catchall term in the way "Race music" was but obviously, it can be used in a way to segregate music/musicians.

Now that's how you write a rebuttal

Repped

 

[IllmaticDelta]

Pop would actually be a more accurate subject for this thread. It’s not a real genre of music at all.

facts!

 

[Astroslik]

OP are you black american?

I ask that respectfully