Are We Willing To Admit That Backpack/Conscious/Alternative Rappers Are Graded On A Curve?

[Wacky D]

Damn sure ain't at the bolded. Lol. nikkas in the streets be buggin sometimes. Lol. And Aquemini isn't what I would call a conscious album and the album is solid. Its easily a highly rated album. It's some people's favorite Outkast album. Kanye West's highest rated album is prolly his LEAST conscious. And is driven by hype more than anything. And Kendrick is graded on the new artist shytty era curve. It's also who he's affiliated with. If someone else made that same album it wouldn't have had as much critical acclaim. Look at Tetsuo and Youth. Many of the listeners feel it's better. But it got nowhere near the same public reception or acclaim. And it's just as conscious if not more. It's also better crafted from a lyrical and conceptual standpoint.

aquemini is alternative rap. and youre proving my point. its a solid album - yes. but since when do solid albums get 5 mics? out the gate at that. you got people on here running around saying its one of the goat albums.

what street dudes or just normal dudes in general, try to pass off solid LPs as goat albums??? youre way more likely to see the opposite.

whats Kanye's highest rated album? please don't give me anything recent that's just getting high marks off of politics.

Kendrick also gets the conscious pass breh. that's the main go-to argument that his stans use.

 

[SAJ!!]

illmatic and OB4CL are both average to me.
What i was pointing out is that the only albums on your list that werent really poppig,yet are being hailed as classics,happen to be from the east coast.
Why because you're brainwashed.

 

[Wacky D]

1. ATLiens, Soul Food and Kendrick's albums are "conscious", breh

2. There are really NO universally lauded alternative rap albums. You're talking like Jedi Mind Tricks or Immortal Technique or something? Give us some examples.

3. All those albums I listed are damn near universally accepted as classic albums.... but the only one you like is Midnight Marauders. That doesn't mean those albums are "overrated", it means YOU don't like those albums.


It's like I was saying the LAST time we threw some posts at each other

2. outkast & goodie fall under the alternative wing
3. no theyre not. LOL. you up here tryna accuse me of boosting my opinions, while youre up here trying to pass off middle-road albums as universal classics.

and if it was just my opinion, then I wouldn't be getting so many cosigns for this thread

for the record, most of the so-called outlandish remarks & threads that I make, that are considered ridiculous on this site, are really things that are commonly said offline. everything I said in the OP is stuff that people have been voicing displeasure over since the late '90s. maybe longer.

and while there isn't a witch-hunt over any of these artists or anything, theres clearly a lack of interest from the core for all the artists & albums ive criticized in this thread. its more of a case of "if the shoe fits" rather than "oh that's just wacky d's opinion".

BUT the other thread that you are speaking about, was a thread meant for everybody to voice their opinions. I don't see why I'm getting criticized for that.

 

[Wacky D]

@Wacky D , YOU AND POSTERS LIKE ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Are two of THEM.
Look at the weaker east coast albums that meant very lil on a nationwide scale while they were out getting threw in with albums
That actually meant something.
On what planet was illmatic or OB4CL on the chronic or doggystyle's level?

On what planet was ironman popping like TM101?
LMFAO

nikkas delusional

so what are the stronger east albums?

 

[FunkDoc1112]

The level of excuses the general public and hipsters give to radio rap these days, particularly the disgraceful false equivalencies to justify the existence of mumble rappers, has me looking at this thread kinda funny.

 

[Wacky D]

I missed nothing. I didnt agree with that bullshyt and pointed that out.
You think how you think cause you're one of THEM.

well if me not granting classic status to an E-40 album, means that I'm one of them, then so be it.

whats funny is, youre so infactuated with east coast bias, to the point that your bias is even stronger.

sidenote: I tend to forget how nice those 1st couple dj quik albums were. I wouldn't call them classics, but I could see if you would consider it such. so I'm not gonna argue about that(only the 1st or 1st two.). but to turn around and diss albums like illmatic & ob4cl in the same breath? stop it slime.

 

[Wacky D]

The level of excuses the general public and hipsters give to radio rap these days, particularly the disgraceful false equivalencies to justify the existence of mumble rappers, has me looking at this thread kinda funny.

those are kids that don't know any better.

this is more of a grown-man thread.

mumble rap isn't even on my radar brehski.

 

[JayBaldacci]

can somebody please tell me whats so classic about mos def's "black on both sides"?

theres only like 5 songs worthy of my rotation.

I mean, its not a bad album. 3.5 but whats so spectacular about it?

some of yall will call this classic, then turn around and say jadakiss makes wack albums. but jada's 1st 3 LPs are better than BOBS. not saying jada is great at making albums either, but his joints are better than this. come on.

It's a very good album. Not a classic tho. I would say it easily trumps any Jada album though.

 

[JayBaldacci]

so what are the stronger east albums?

Ready to Die
IWW
LAD
Vol2
IDAHIH

 

[bigbadbossup2012]

another one of THEM

 

[bigbadbossup2012]

well if me not granting classic status to an E-40 album, means that I'm one of them, then so be it.

whats funny is, youre so infactuated with east coast bias, to the point that your bias is even stronger.

sidenote: I tend to forget how nice those 1st couple dj quik albums were. I wouldn't call them classics, but I could see if you would consider it such. so I'm not gonna argue about that(only the 1st or 1st two.). but to turn around and diss albums like illmatic & ob4cl in the same breath? stop it slime.

YOU NEVER CEASE TO SHOW, TIME AND TIME AGAIN,YOU'RE JUST ANOTHER ONE OF THEM

 

[Wacky D]

YOU NEVER CEASE TO SHOW, TIME AND TIME AGAIN,YOU'RE JUST ANOTHER ONE OF THEM

you didn't answer my question.

 

[mobbinfms]

I'm not saying jay-z would make an album like "black on both sides" in terms of content. I'm saying jay-z in '96-03 making a dry album with wack beats, hooks, etc.

it wouldn't fly. same way it wouldn't fly for 50 cent. I don't know why youre acting like the only people critiquing jay-z & 50 cent albums are their fans. lets be reality, EVERYBODY critiques their music. I'm not talking about stans who will overhype everything that they do. I'm talking about the general rap fan. meanwhile, the general rap fan isn't even checking for a mos def album. that's why rappers like him don't have haters. its not because theyre so beloved or respected. its because nobody really cares. except their fans. and the annoying part is, the fans of these rappers are the ones holding the pen at these magazines and have clout behind the scenes in media/TV.

that's why I say, the source's bias wasn't necessarily east coast. it was stylistic. @mobbinfms @bigbadbossup2012 @DANJ!

The Source didn't have any bias. If anything, they developed a bias against "real hip hop" in the mid 90s. That's why Common Sense "Ressurection" got 3.5. Smif N Wessun got 3 mics. Ras Kass got 3 I believe.

 

[mobbinfms]

the mention of bobs ruined your argument--its a great album. but there is some truth to this. it was especially prominent in the early 2000s that if one did conscious or "real hiphop" they were automatically better or somehow deserving of being brought up in convo of rappers out their league.

Can people start naming all these wack conscious rappers who were held up as elite? Or albums?

 

[mobbinfms]

Black on Both Sides is a genuine classic breh

That said, the premise of this thread is on point.

Nobody really wants to admit the majority of Root's discography just blends together and they only have 2 honestly great albums because they're "real hiphop" and "conscious" (even though they didn't even start talking about social issues until their 7th album)

What are the two great Roots albums?