Arne Duncan: ‘White suburban moms’ upset that Common Core shows their kids aren’t ‘brilliant’

[Cabbage Patch]

Cacs are rigging the game to make themselves look good while the rest of the world is actually forcing their kids to Learn. Theres only so long fake thugs can pretend.

Depends. They just need to cheat like the Asian kids have been doing for so many decades. Asian kids aren't any smarter than anyone else, either. They just don't have any social aversions to cheating and test prep networking.

 

[Serious]

Depends. They just need to cheat like the Asian kids have been doing for so many decades. Asian kids aren't any smarter than anyone else, either. They just don't have any social aversions to cheating and test prep networking.

Yep..I try telling cats this....
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...ese-teachers-try-to-stop-pupils-cheating.html

 

[Cabbage Patch]

Yep..I try telling cats this....
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...ese-teachers-try-to-stop-pupils-cheating.html

They don't want to hear it, though. It's a whole new world. For Asians, cheating isn't 'cheating', it's just how you do things. There is no such thing as 'cheating' as the West sees it. It's like cracking open a book in the first place. And Asians pay GOOD money for answers. Makes white kids paying a couple books for a pre-written essay all those years look like so much chump change and horsing around. The Chinese, especially, are serious about their cheating.

Then folks want to claim it's just being studious. Whatever. Studious at cheating.

Now apply that mindset to the world stage

They'll get as far as certain people allow them to get, though.

 

[Snoopy Loops]

Wtf is this? Number bonds? This is supposed to bridge the gap? The reason why other countries are doing better is because their curriculums ain't nothing to fukk with. They thrust everyone into deep waters. They're no optional AP classes that inflate your gpas. To what someone said earlier, you're as strong as your weakest link, it's true. You have dudes who are smart as fukk who took AP classes and already have a head start in freshman level classes, but then you have some remedial ass dudes trying to stay afloat. What you do then end up with is a great divide with some dudes fukking up the curve and some dudes begging for C's at the end of the semester. If they really wanna fix things, scrap AP and hire more qualified teachers that can teach a challenging curriculum to everyone not this hipster math bullshyt you have here

 

[Meta Reign]

But that's the reason why they are doing common core. To get kids how to THINK about why and how they solve their problems.

We live in a society where we give out answers to kids and even the teachers don't know how to do it. It's not because it's convoluted but because they spent all their time memorizing answers such as 5 x 5 = 25 but they never taught kids the concept of multiplication, that 5 x 5 is conceptually the concept of 5 + 5 + 5 + 5 + 5 = 25.

You can ask yourself why thinking critically is needed but don't complain that common core is "too hard" when your African brothers, UK bloats, Indian and Asian brothers and sisters around the globe are lap America for the uptenth time and they are being hired for jobs because companies are finding more and more Americans are woefully unqualified to be employed because they are too afraid of having to think.

Come on man, look at those damn problems. Those problems are NOT what you describe!

And my African brothers, UK blokes, Indians etc. are here because they're cheap fukking labor bought over here on slave Visas by multinationals!

Save the shyt!

 

[Dr. Sebi Jr.]

This is what math looks like after you remove the white supremacy from it.

 

[Cabbage Patch]

Come on man, look at those damn problems. Those problems are NOT what you describe!

And my African brothers, UK blokes, Indians etc. are here because they're cheap fukking labor bought over here on slave Visas by multinationals!

Save the shyt!

This is Crimson Tide. You and @Midrash are both right. Now which one of you is Gene and which one of you is Denzel is up to you.

 

[Serious]

@Shogun

 

[Shogun]

@Shogun

white suburban moms don't understand the Common Core standards, and are reactionary.

People who take the most recent assessment of these standards as a measure of their child's/student's intelligence don't understand the standards. Politicians don't understand the standards. They're scaffolded so that by each grade kids should achieve a certain skill set. Standardized testing based off these standards, therefor, shouldn't really be valid until said student has been subjected to these standards since the beginning of their education. Politicians need fodder for their speeches, though, so a 10 year waiting period is a no-go. Moreover, teachers are mostly in the first few years of implementing these standards into their curriculum so it will take some time to master.

All of this bytching now is really just ammunition for speeches and talking points. The sad part is that by the time teachers begin to master these standards politicians will need new talking points, and public education will be reformed once again.

Ultimately, our current system is run by politicians and local education boards, all of whom typically have zero experience in education. They're calling the shots and doing so to get votes more so than to improve education.

These standardized test results don't prove that any one race is smarter or dumber. Personally, I think that anyone who thinks that people of different skin color have different intellectual abilities aren't worth taking seriously anyway...so I avoid these threads and Higher Learning in general with all its "cac this" and "cac that" domiating every thread.

American education is flawed because American culture doesn't value education. Until that changes all of this is just a ploy to get votes....sadly. No set of standards will change thatm but it sounds good in a speech to people who don;t really give a shyt about education, but pretend to come election time.

 

[Midrash]

Come on man, look at those damn problems. Those problems are NOT what you describe!

And my African brothers, UK blokes, Indians etc. are here because they're cheap fukking labor bought over here on slave Visas by multinationals!

Save the shyt!

This is Crimson Tide. You and @Midrash are both right. Now which one of you is Gene and which one of you is Denzel is up to you.

These are worksheets, powerpoints and topics from the UK PRIMARY SCHOOL which is the equivalent of elementary school.
http://www.primaryresources.co.uk/maths/mathsB3.htm


In college, I had exams that were 5 questions, 20 points each and you had to EXPLAIN your answer, show calculus math proofs, write out concise but detailed explanations of advanced scientific concepts to get an answer since there was not multiple choice where you can guestimate. You couldn't just write in the answer because my professors had NO PROBLEM giving you a zero for showing no work or will sometimes give you 5 points credit out of pity so you could at least get a 25% on the exam instead of a big, fat zero. Yes, I understand Asians cheating. There were PLENTY of white people who did so I would say more than Asians BUT these guys ALL burned out and got exposed the further up the degree chain in harder classes when you couldn't bullshyt your way through the system. There were plenty of Indians cheating too but their bottom fell through the higher up the program when they couldn't BS as well.


That's the whole point of these sorts of word test, to force kids to THINK and truly understand why and how they do things. That's how things operate in the PROFESSIONAL world after college where you can't go look at the back of the book for answers when you need to innovate and come up with solutions organically. We tell kids that they its too hard to excel, only do what you are good at now, baby them, won't even let them walk by themselves TWO BLOCKS ALONE to school for fear they will get kidnapped, will give everyone on the team trophies, won't even let them LEAVE THE YARD to play, make almost the entire school 3.5+ gpa honor roll students, shield kids from learning what sex is, sanitize/whitewash their entire cultural experience, tell them to avoid "urban" parts of town like minorities are savages, helicopter them into oblivion and when they get hit with that ice cold, hard brick of reality and bust their entire face wide open, we want to play the game of what went wrong?


-This is why such a ridiculous number of kids with bachelor degrees who are doing jobs that they could have EASILY gotten out of high school because they have the skills and intelligence of a HS student from the 1950s and choose to develop a drinking problem in college instead of an intense, rigorous and genuine love of learning.

-This is why we have the peter pan syndrome where kids will willingly stay with their parents well into their 30s, not even able to hold a job for longer than a year or live off of daddy's trust fund if they are white b/c they want to play World of Warcraft all day and watch anime fearfully not wanting to grow up.

- This is why we have GROWN ASS fukkING ADULTS bring their OWN PARENTS to a PROFESSIONAL INTERVIEW and even have the gall to have their parents CALL THE INTERVIEWER AND NEGOTIATE A SALARY! after college.



This is why we don't have Albert Einsteins anymore, Percy Julians or Homer Hickams. I read October Sky and Homer Hickam was a NASA engineer writing about his experiences growing up IN HIGH SCHOOL and it was more rigorous than what some kids experience in undergrad. This dude fukked up a lot, got his ass kicked by reality but he went out in life and still kept going. His parent's didn't baby him either. His teacher HAMMERED him and drowned this dude in HOURS of extremely complex calculus problems EVERYDAY in like the 10th or 11th grade while he was simultaneously designing semi-professional grade bottle rockets out of steel pipe and having to network with about 4-5 other dudes like him to get it done. This was also when he was working in the coal mine for hours on end breathing hot soot and busting his knuckles for coin.

This is why we had a generation of ADULTS who build a ship with less computing power than simple modern day, 1$ dollar store calculator and landed it straight on the moon with no hitch whatsoever.

This is why we have a generation that invented the transistors which revolutionized computer technology.

These same people have rolled out so much technology in 50 years that we went from computers that took up the space of an entire room to having high powered touch screen smartphones with 30 megapixel cameras and pilotless UAVs that deploy laser guided missiles.


You can dumb down the curriculum all you want but don't complain when you find out that Apple finds your education woefully unsatisfactory to even look at more than 5 seconds before it goes into the trash pile.


This is why we have incompetent TEACHERS who get into the profession to ESCAPE the real world and create a class of unprepared, sheltered kids who don't have even the modicum of common sense who are now complaining at common core because they might actually have to teach now instead of hand out packets, prop their feet and passive aggressively whine about their job being hard before they go home and collect their paycheck.

 

[Cabbage Patch]

These are worksheets, powerpoints and topics from the UK PRIMARY SCHOOL which is the equivalent of elementary school.

That's wonderful, but that's not American English. Those word problems appear to be the equivalent of using Google Translate to teach French grammar to English-speaking students. No bueno. The KISS principle needs to be applied. Maybe me and Meta Reign are on the wrong end of the bell curve, but I have a feeling we weren't the only ones in this thread to look at those problems and imitate Dr. Cosby with a . I am going to be perfectly honest: there's no way I'd be able to assist my children with those problems as written, if they come home with that as homework and asked for guidance. Take the easiest example:

"Match the picture with the fraction that names the shaded part." It may make perfect sense in British English, which is fine... but in American English, the proper answer for all eight examples is 'N/A - not applicable'. None of those examples are shaded, according to American English. I'd raise hell if my child brought that worksheet home, because I'm American.

Someone clever might even take that worksheet as a challenge to shade in each of those graphics according to the fraction beside it. Would they really be wrong to do so, if their first language is American English? I mean, they would be matching the picture to the fraction beside it which names the part that should be shaded, right?

I visited your webpage for primary children. Some good practice sheets, like the "4 Missing Numbers in Sequence" which is kind of neat. I like that one. It goes beyond just putting a number down and hoping it's correct, to having a child explain why they put the number down.

1..3..7..13 The rule is

I like that. That is KISS, and as a bonus I could actually help my kids with that one.


I'd need to see more of what the actual story problem was for:

though. I think I get it, but there's a much simpler way to teach that. Or maybe I'm just used to Base 10 (breaking it down by 10s so that it's 20 plus 10 then the rest, etc) making the world easier because that's how I was taught, and it's hard to break old habits when you're old. Kind of like phonics, which is a different subject.


Mr. Hickams is a great story; the moral of his story is drive, though. Thank you for relaying it.

Young people who bring their parents to interviews probably had their parents self-invite themselves to the interviews, to be honest But yes, that is bullshyt. As for parents doing the follow-up calls, I know why a parent would do it (and a kid would let them) but I'm glad you pointed out why it's counter-productive.

I'll also be honest: my mother would have kept all of us in the same house, with spouses and all, if she could. She didn't want to kick us out, we had to flee I love my mother, she's a goddess on earth and put up with a lot of bullshyt from a lot of outside sources, but that's how it was. If a manchild is sitting at home not contributing anything, and mama is still making meals, payments, laundry, it may be that mama wants him there. She might be afraid of being alone.

 

[Consigliere]

Standardized testing is bullshyt and it's only purpose is to measure how well you prepare for a test.

I went to public school through 4th grade and then private school for 5th through 12th and the biggest difference in the school day was the amount of time spent prepping for tests versus actually learning to learn and being intellectually stimulated. Kids are sponges who'll soak up whatever they experience. Spend more time giving them diverse experiences and challenging material and you'll see more improvement in their capacity to perform. Shading in bubbles is not learning.

Let me add, that a lot of students are mentally checked out as early as 2nd grade and no amount of testing or money spent on education will bring them back. It's on parents to ensure that kids are doing work outside of school that bridges the gaps in their curriculum. I had a friend growing up whose father used to let us do anything we wanted as long as we put in hours on educational enrichment projects first. That meant slingshots, illegal fireworks, BB guns, Putt Putt Golfing, video games and zero parental supervision in exchange for summers reading Plato, building molecules, doing advanced math. Pretty sure we could have had liquor and whores too if we'd be thinking on that level. All of us went on to private schools, both of his sons graduated HS before they were 16 and one of them went to Howard and graduated before he was 18. Long story short, make learning fun and the results will follow.

 

[wheywhey]

Shogun and Washington Red made excellent points. Most of you are so eager to dance on the white man's grave that you don't even understand the article.

The test scores in NY state went down 30% because the score needed to be proficient was arbitrarily raised 30%.

 

[MostReal]

They've done so much to keep our schools uncompetitive and dysfunctional that they don't realize that their schools are uncompetitive with the world at large. This is why negative zero-sum policies do not work. The more advanced countries realize that you're only as gifted as you're weakest link. You can't let the bottom fall out, just because you want to feel better about yourself.

I've been saying it for the longest. We have to beat White Supremacy mindset by letting them understand that a successful Black People is great for this Nation, not bad.

The U.S. would be unstoppable if it invested the right way into black kids

 

[Insensitive]

@ Dudes not understanding those simple math problems.
Only one that was suspect was the "What shows a way to make a ten to substract ?"
outside of that it looked relatively easy.
:edit:
Gotta read up more on this, sounds like it's what America needs
Kids should be learning IMO with less projects and assignments that don't
require critical thinking.