As a man, does hearing that another man cheated on his wife or spouse change your opinion about them

[DarrynCobretti]

@DarrynCobretti These are the actual quotes that started our debate. I have proven my side. When are you going to post anything to prove yours? When are you even going to acknowledge you said what you said instead of doing what you're doing now and back tracking into "sexuality is subjective" defense

No, you still haven't post a single thing that proves what you've said in this thread.

Here's your quote...your actual initial opinion I addressed and debunked easily.

The differences in the way men and women behave sexually are purely socially taught.

Now don't run, just post a single link that proves that sexuality is PURELY socially taught. You still haven't done it yet.

I dare you to even attempt to find a single book, scientific study or scholarly article that supports what you've said.

I'll wait.

 

[Diddly Drogba]

hell no

 

[Thegospel]

Some of the greatest men to have walked this planet cheated on their wives..tell us again how that affected your life. The hypocrisy and stupidity in here is astounding.

It's not only that, most these nikkas straight LYIN. That's what got me

One of my homies at work was sayin he'd never fukk a married bytch and the only way he would is if the husband was talkin down on his name. It was one of those heated discussions and he was extra loud, it was about 6 of us talkin bout it. I seen him like a week later he talmbout (I fukked up, Ima get you hip though). This nikka said he fukked a married bytch a week later. I said (was he talkin shyt about you)?

Him: nah .


Funny ass nikkas outchea wit all that talk.

 

[peppe]

people writing light novel replies in here

 

[MeachTheMonster]

Sorry, I never initially saw this post. If he had said this there wouldn't have been a debate. Instead he insisted that gender differences are not only real and quantifiable (when men having higher sex drives on average than women) but that they are biological in nature.

There are very real quantifiable differences between men and women and plenty of them are biological.

@DarrynCobretti explain to me how you are agreeing with this when this speaks more to social influence being a primary factor rather than biology and sexual dimorphism?

That's not what it means at all. That's what you want to spin it into because that's your position.

 

[MysticMonroe]

Yeah I've never met a cheater who was always good for their word. A lot of them always try to play word or mind games with anyone and anything or they're incredibly inconsiderate of your time or abilities. They're always trying to get away with something whether it's speeding or or being dishonest at work. It just seeps into their lives because it becomes a personality trait.

That's a good point. I don't respect or understood the guys who cheat and let the mistress run his life. Like buying her cars, clothes paying her hush money to keep her quiet. And what is mindblowing to me is the men that let the mistress come around his wife/gf & or talk shyt about your wife to you and you let it slide. Or fukking her friends/family that she is gonna see all the time.

Like Corey Holcomb tells a story of a friend who invited his side chick to his wifes party. And almost fought a guy who left with his side chick. This is what I mean by allowing your cheating to affect other parts of your life. He put his marriage and freedom in jeopardy trying to fight a guy. The other dude could've whooped his ass or pressed charges.

 

[Thatrogueassdiaz]

Nope. I trust no man who cheats on his wife, unless she cheated on him first. Either way no I don't.

 

[At30wecashout]

Yes. Its definitely more visceral if she seems to be a good woman. I don't keep cheaters around me. I was having conversations with one of my boys for days about this
very subject. Had a girl down for him for 3 years and he still cheatingLet her go get a faithful guy. Stop fukking being selfish. Cheaters should be with cheats.

Leave the rest of us out.

 

[DarrynCobretti]

There are very real quantifiable differences between men and women and plenty of them are biological.


That's not what it means at all. That's what you want to spin it into because that's your position.

Exactly homie.

I'm glad you see through her agenda. I guess she assumed you'd be some subservient lap dog who isn't a fan of reading comprehension. She tried to insult your intelligence by denying biology.


Be careful though, soon she's going to ask you to link proof that biological differences between men and women even exists.

 

[Poh SIti Dawn]

So you need a man to be faithful to you, like you were a woman

Naw it's just a judge of character really.

 

[PartyHeart]

There are very real quantifiable differences between men and women and plenty of them are biological.

You too, are arguing a position no one claimed. We are talking about something very specific: sexual desire. This various general statements about how different men and women are are unnecessary and pointless. Something to retreat to when the real point is not addressed.

That's not what it means at all. That's what you want to spin it into because that's your position.

What does it mean then?

 

[MeachTheMonster]

You too, are arguing a position no one claimed. We are talking about something very specific: sexual desire. This various general statements about how different men and women are are unnecessary and pointless. Something to retreat to when the real point is not addressed.

I was talking about sex and everything else

What does it mean then?

Subjective perception is influenced by biology.

Just because something can be interpreted subjectively does not imply that it's main influence is social.

 

[PartyHeart]

No, you still haven't post a single thing that proves what you've said in this thread.

Here's your quote...your actual initial opinion I addressed and debunked easily.

Now don't run, just post a single link that proves that sexuality is PURELY socially taught. You still haven't done it yet.

I dare you to even attempt to find a single book, scientific study or scholarly article that supports what you've said.

I'll wait.

lol This is sad.

Here is what I said when you first quoted me:

That isn't the way any of this works. Women do not need the same amount of testosterone to get as physically stimulated as men.

Here is what you responded:

The problem with that statement, is that you're implying women on average get physically stimulated as much as men.

There's empirical evidence out there that have shown men typically think about sex more than women (some scientific studies have said men think of sex as often as every 7 seconds) and score higher in libido studies.

There's actual evolutionary biologists who have multiple theories why this is, but the bottomline is there isn't some biological equilibrium between men and women in the sexual desire category like you're implying.

Here is what I responded to that:

This is where social context comes in, because studies show that women routinely under-report their sexual desire to fulfill expectations for women to be less sexual. That's why studies have been done to test both women's reporting and their physiological changes when reporting desire. Most of the time the woman's report and the actual displayed desire did not match up. So getting to the truth is a lot more complicated than a formula of hormone levels.



There isn't any denial from me that there aren't inherent biological differences between men and women though. If the initial poster I quoted had said there is a correlation between testosterone and physical strength and perhaps even aggression, I'd see the merit. But he said testosterone and sexual desire. And because men have more testosterone than women, they are obviously more sexual. Its not true.

Plus, men like to downplay the social aspect of behavior to try to make the behavior they want women to practice be more rigid and seem more sound. That's why the other dude in here is losing his mind because he really wants women to believe he can cheat and its natural and ok but if she cheats she is going against her own biology. But sexual desire is heavily socially influenced. It really is.

For instance, say we take men and women's reports on desire as accurate. Consider the fact that you as a man can turn on your TV now and not only see TV shows but even commercial ads that heavily sexualize women. You can see women sexualized on the sides of buses and on billboards and in store windows. If your sex drive is constantly being primed by outside forces like this, it could very easily explain why you report a higher sex drive when asked. You are quite literally being stimulated more often. Women on the other hand, do not have comparable stimuli constantly being thrown at them, and would reasonably report less. This is a scenario where the sexes are actually speaking the truth in reporting, but you cannot tie it to any natural biological differences.

Digging up and focusing on a quote you NEVER commented on once when you started this debate with me is extremely transparent. Coupled with the fact that you are now afraid to even state the initial opinion you had, that men have higher sex drives than women, is quite frankly sad.

Either present evidence for your position as I repeatedly have, or move on. When you post those studies for sexual dimorphism confirming that men have higher sex drives than women I am here. But this dap fishing for men who you are afraid to even say you agree with, and your goal post moving to stick to a point you refuse to actually make is tiresome at this point.

 

[PartyHeart]

I was talking about sex and everything else




Subjective perception is influenced by biology.

Just because something can be interpreted subjectively does not imply that it's main influence is social.

OK...again probably you don't understand the debate you jumped into. The person who you're coming to the rescue of is trying to use research that men and women report sexual urges differently, men more frequent than women, as evidence of sexual dimorphism pointing to men having higher sex drives than women.

What you're saying is not helping his argument, it is helping mine. Men and women interpreting sex differently destroys the only piece of evidence to support his theory that he has brought into this debate. Asserting that men and women perceive differently makes his research useless to his/your point. Do you understand?

 

[MeachTheMonster]

OK...again probably you don't understand the debate you jumped into. The person who you're coming to the rescue of is trying to use research that men and women report sexual urges differently, men more frequent than women, as evidence of sexual dimorphism pointing to men having higher sex drives than women.

I'm not coming to the rescue of anyone. I simply said sexuality is subjective therefore studies on either side are inconclusive. There are plenty of studies that conclude biology plays a role is sexuality, just as there are studies concluding differences are due to society.

All of them are inconclusive, therefore this argument is futile if each side seeks to disprove the other barring conclusive scientific research.

What you're saying is not helping his argument, it is helping mine.

I'm not trying to help anybody's argument. You're acting real sexist right now

Men and women interpreting sex differently destroys the only piece of evidence to support his theory that he has brought into this debate. Asserting that men and women perceive differently makes his research useless to his/your point. Do you understand?

But it doesn't. You are making that up in order to support your position.

For example. People interpret pain very differently. 10 people get the same surgery, all ten need a different dosage of medicine to be comfortable.

That in no way implies the cause of the difference in the perception of pain is due to society.