As an Eritrean Afrikan, I was very dissapointed with that West Afrikan - Somali - marriage thread
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Thuglet
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I know. Ancient Egyptian Civilization has been ruled by many different groups. Not saying otherwise
But the ones that created the civilisation were Horners from Horn of Africa, and the Ancient Egyptian Civilization kept good relations with HOA during their time
Misreeya
Pro
So we're going to pretend like we don't understand what the sources I posted are saying? Which is saying that there is more of a continuum of Egypt between Nubia/Nilotic people? And artifacts found in Puntland? That's nice... There have also been Egyptian artifacts found in the Levant, Nubia, Libya and even in Chad. Its called trading...
How about you refute my sources that state that there is more of a continuum between Nubia/Nilotic speakers than the Horn... They even state that Nubia and not the Horn of Africa is the African ancestor of Egypt.[/QUOTE]
I am not sure whether the source of the nile valley culture was Punt, and there is actually dispute in regards to the local location. As far as what is now called collectively "nubia" being originally Nilotic speakers Here is what Linguist discovered in regards to the people of Kerma.
In other words as i speculated it was definitely a cultural mix of both language groups. Which i have always expected all along.
As far as ancient Nile Valley monuments in the levant.Libyan there is not any. The only places that have traces of those ancient cultures is mainly Northern Sudan and what is today Egypt. Every thing else is little traces of fragment pottery and things of that nature, but no traces of major ancient temple of pyramids that is associated with nile valley culture.
Meroitic language - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Kerma Culture - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
How about you refute my sources that state that there is more of a continuum between Nubia/Nilotic speakers than the Horn... They even state that Nubia and not the Horn of Africa is the African ancestor of Egypt.[/QUOTE]
I am not sure whether the source of the nile valley culture was Punt, and there is actually dispute in regards to the local location. As far as what is now called collectively "nubia" being originally Nilotic speakers Here is what Linguist discovered in regards to the people of Kerma.
Lastly the language family of what is ancient Meroe is uncontested by Linguist.
In other words as i speculated it was definitely a cultural mix of both language groups. Which i have always expected all along.
As far as ancient Nile Valley monuments in the levant.Libyan there is not any. The only places that have traces of those ancient cultures is mainly Northern Sudan and what is today Egypt. Every thing else is little traces of fragment pottery and things of that nature, but no traces of major ancient temple of pyramids that is associated with nile valley culture.
Meroitic language - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Kerma Culture - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Thuglet
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Did he say all of Kenya? No. Northeast Kenya is still currently a part of Kenya
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It's good go get it out......and out the way...
Who the fukknis igad
Oh look another Somali Nationalist who is trying to claim only they descend from Egypt.
In their article in Science 2006, Rudolph Kuper and Stefan Kröpelin published what is so far the best summary of the climatic variations observed in the Sahara during the Holocene.15 According to their research, during the Early Holocene occupation phase (8500–7000 B.C.) the number of rapid monsoon rains increased, the Sahara turned into a savanna-like environment suitable for occupation [Green Sahara] and became resettled by a population from what was at that time an inhospitable Nile valley and from the south (today’s Sudan) . These newcomers were hunter-gatherers practicing limited husbandry. The sites in the Regenfeld area indicate that these populations were moving quickly from place to place over long distances. During this period most of the Nile valley was not occupied probably due to harsh and unpredictable Nile fluctuations.
Swimmers in the Sand. On the Neolithic Origins of Ancient Egyptian Mythology and Symbolism
Again a NILE VALLEY and Green Saharan Origin and NOT horn.
Somali Egyptian-Puntite History
Is not only silly, but straight up pseudo-linguistic...
You know what else is said to come from Egypt/Nile Valley?
^^Which is mostly found in West Africans.
Hilarious coming from a Somali nationalist who mixes Egyptology, Anthropology, Linguistics and Genetics with what his clan elders told him...
Heres something much better, an autosomal test on the 18th dynasty mummies.
http://www.dnatribes.com/dnatribes-digest-2012-01-01.pdf
These STRs were acquired by Zahi Hawass himself. All DNAtribes did was put them into their computers to find a match(which anyone can do). The STRs in this study are mostly found in modern populations like Bantu people of Southern Africa, modern they Nilotic speakers(they have the most) and to a small intent West Africans. All this goes back to the Wet Sahara. Again confirming what I've been saying.
Now EXPLAIN to everyone on this thread why Horners who you believe are the originators of the Ancient Egyptians plot so FAR away from the Ancient Egypytians than Nilotic Speakers.
How about you stop reposting the same stuff and read what I posted. No modern sources state that the Ancient Egyptians came from the Horn or Punt. The Ancient Egyptians were even homogenous, but had multiple orgins, but the main origins was Sudan and that of the Green Sahara where the ancestors of the Ancient Egyptians were from.
In their article in Science 2006, Rudolph Kuper and Stefan Kröpelin published what is so far the best summary of the climatic variations observed in the Sahara during the Holocene.15 According to their research, during the Early Holocene occupation phase (8500–7000 B.C.) the number of rapid monsoon rains increased, the Sahara turned into a savanna-like environment suitable for occupation [Green Sahara] and became resettled by a population from what was at that time an inhospitable Nile valley and from the south (today’s Sudan) . These newcomers were hunter-gatherers practicing limited husbandry. The sites in the Regenfeld area indicate that these populations were moving quickly from place to place over long distances. During this period most of the Nile valley was not occupied probably due to harsh and unpredictable Nile fluctuations.
Swimmers in the Sand. On the Neolithic Origins of Ancient Egyptian Mythology and Symbolism
Again a NILE VALLEY and Green Saharan Origin and NOT horn.
When I actually Google the location where you got your sources it traces back to here, a Somalicentric blog...
Somali Egyptian-Puntite History
Source where you got this? And saying that Ancient Egyptian language(which is now extinct) is a form of Arabic or that it has connections to Soamli, when it fact linguistic have noted it being more similar to Chadic.
Using primarily linguistic evidence, and taking into account recent archaeology at sites such as Hierakonpolis/Nekhen, as well as the symbolicmeaning of objects such as sceptres and headrests in Ancient Egyptian and contemporary African cultures, this paper traces the geographical location and movements of early peoples in and around the Nile Valley. It is possible from this overview of the data to conclude that the limited conceptual vocabulary shared by the ancestors of contemporary Chadic-speakers (therefore also contemporary Cushytic-speakers), contemporary Nilotic-speakers and Ancient Egyptian-speakers suggests that the earliest speakers of the Egyptian language could be located to the south of Upper Egypt or, earlier, in the Sahara. The marked grammatical and lexicographic affinities of Ancient Egyptian with Chadic are well-known, and consistent Nilotic cultural, religious and political patterns are detectable in the formation of the first Egyptian kingships. The question these data raise is the articulation between the languages and the cultural patterns of this pool of ancient African societies from which emerged Predynastic Egypt.
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Manchester University Programme Dr. Alain Anselin (University of Antilles-Guyane 2009)Click to expand...
Is not only silly, but straight up pseudo-linguistic...
Okay and...? Basically saying that Somalis like OTHER Afro-Asiatic speakers speak an Afro-Asiatic language.
Of course laymen like yourself don't understand what you're posting or that you got it from some Somali nationalist blog. Nowhere its saying what you think its saying. Nowhere does it state that Somalis come from Egypt. All it is saying is that Somalis like ALL Northeast Africans carry subclades that come from E-M78. The sub clads that horners like Somalis carry are in fact very young and did not exist during that time, Somali specific clads being E-V32 which is recent.Even, the genetic research prove that the somali DNA is originally from Egypt => Haplogroup E1b1b1a (V68) :19th century before J-Christ => Place of origin : Egypt and northern Soudan . Extract of the genetic researchMore recently, Tillmar et al. (2009) typed 147 males from Somalia for 12 Y-STR loci, and observed that 77% (113/147) had typical E1b1b1a1b haplotypes. This is currently the highest frequency of E1b1b1a1b found in any single sample population. Similarly, Hassan et al. (2008) in their study observed this to be the most common of the sub-clades of E-M78 found in Sudan, especially among the Beja, Masalit and Fur. The Beja, like Somalis and Oromos, speak an Afro-Asiatic language and live along the "corridor" from Egypt to the Horn of Africa.)
You know what else is said to come from Egypt/Nile Valley?
^^Which is mostly found in West Africans.
Hilarious coming from a Somali nationalist who mixes Egyptology, Anthropology, Linguistics and Genetics with what his clan elders told him...
Heres something much better, an autosomal test on the 18th dynasty mummies.
http://www.dnatribes.com/dnatribes-digest-2012-01-01.pdf
These STRs were acquired by Zahi Hawass himself. All DNAtribes did was put them into their computers to find a match(which anyone can do). The STRs in this study are mostly found in modern populations like Bantu people of Southern Africa, modern they Nilotic speakers(they have the most) and to a small intent West Africans. All this goes back to the Wet Sahara. Again confirming what I've been saying.
Now EXPLAIN to everyone on this thread why Horners who you believe are the originators of the Ancient Egyptians plot so FAR away from the Ancient Egypytians than Nilotic Speakers.
Breh, I don't doubt that many people migrated from the horn, but there were also many different ethnic groups living in the wet Sahara at the time who migrated to the Nile valley.
To say the Egyptians were originally exclusively horners who moved to the Nile is inaccurate
I mean the first pharaoh of Egypt doesn't even have typical horn features:
Ironically, he looks more Bantu
lol.The only place outside of Egypt that a clear and undeniable cultural and ethnic link with Egypt can be unequivocally substantiated is northern Sudan breh
@ Kenya, Uganda and Sudan being Horners
I tried giving these people(Somalis) the benefit of the doubt, but.... Their nationalism gets the best of them.
That's not what modern anthropology says which agrees that the early Nubian/Egyptian foundation was that of Nilotic speakers.
Stop reading from those Somalicentric blogs and pick up a book.
Thuglet
Banned
Breh, I don't doubt that many people migrated from the horn, but there were also many different ethnic groups living in the wet Sahara at the time who migrated to the Nile valley.
To say the Egyptians were originally exclusively horners who moved to the Nile is inaccurate
I mean the first pharaoh of Egypt doesn't even have typical horn features:
Ironically, he looks more Bantu
The only place outside of Egypt that a clear and undeniable cultural and ethnic link with Egypt can be unequivocally substantiated is northern Sudan breh
Just read this.
No nikka
Flicker is not a peer-reviewed source...
Misreeya
Pro
Actually some Sudanese are split about that category, you have some who feel part of the horn, especially since many(defintiely not all) are confused for Horner like the gentleman.
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Although i may somewhat disagree with the bold part he is entitle to his opinion.
Then you have people like me who is more North African oriented, since i have family in Egypt, then you have other groups in Sudan that is more affiliated with the people of South Sudan, Chad, Central African Republic, and of course Eritrea. What i consider what is now "Sudan" is basically a crossroads country of all the individual country we bother. All those people physically and culturally in some respect part of the "Sudanese" narrative today.
Somali Faces
It is basically a crossroad country of all the different groups in the region, it is definitely reflected with our current population.
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