As much as ya'll hate feminists...

[intruder]

any man that wants to return to traditional gender roles is insecure and most likely gay.

i dont know about Gay but definitely insecure. Dudes be like

• Oh shyt. She can drive the car too?
• Damn.. she can make more money than me?

rather than up their individual games in whatever aspect (financial or whatever) they just complain about society empowering someone whom they feel should be inferior to them.. a woman.

I'm sure whites felt the same too when slavery was abolished

 

[Wild self]

any man that wants to return to traditional gender roles is insecure and most likely gay.

My God, what low tolerance you display. Straight hate for women that prefer the traditional roles. There are a few women that do that home maker stuff these days, but get shamed cause feminist think that doing anything around the kitchen is degrading.

 

[Zapp Brannigan]

I guess that I'm not such an intense slave to the p*ssy that I believe that as long as I'm getting laid that women can do whatever they want to me. The intense hypocrisy and borderline hate behind the terms "feminism" and "patriarchy" are mind-blowing in how so many allegedly intelligent people seem to miss something so obvious to me. But to feminists, women can do no wrong, ever, so hey.

 

[Zapp Brannigan]

I don't really care either way. y'all need to realize the game will never change on a fundamental level.

to me, feminism seems to be about choice and options. feminists want women to have the freedom to choose what type of life they want to live. If they want to be career women or housewives. if they want to be "virtuous" women or sluts. and everything in between. fair enough. I'm all for freedom. but at the same time if you're free to choose, men are also free to choose which type of women they want. We can also choose if we want to marry or not. These options/freedom/choices women say they want seem to have awaken something in men as well. We don't have to marry you, commit to you, provide for you, protect you, etc. It's a choice as well. Women seem miserable now because men are starting to realize that we also have freedom and options. If you want us to do all that you have to make us want to do it. You can't force us, just like we can't force you to choose certain options.

like i said, i don't really care how things turn out for society. either way i'll have to either adapt or die. I think people are just tired of some groups wanting it both ways. People want to have their cake and eat it too.

Pretty much my thoughts as well, but if you call feminism hypocritical you get accused of misogyny.


Pic Related: Feminist hypocrisy at its finest.

 

[WaveCapsByOscorp™]

i just find it odd how much some posters hate on it but they don't even really know much about it. they take the general definition of feminism and then argue from that point but they haven't done any research or read anything. i mean, it's like where is your information REALLY coming from? most posters are arguing about feminism from a non-informed point of view. and trust, just like most of you "men" in here don't know much about feminism, those hoes out there don't know much about feminism either so to blame those hoes' actions on shyt they know very little about is stupid. and that's the thing. these hoes don't know anything about feminism yet you're going to act like they've received their values in life from feminism. they received their freedom from the work of those women but their lack of education about those freedoms (and general disinterest in changing) has damned them to a lifestyle of whoredom.

feminism is about respect for the body and recognizing your value, not using your new found physical liberties to exploit and over use your body for your own pleasure because all that does is reintroduce that same cycle women have been entrenched in for centuries. i remember in college i read a piece about a woman who felt she was "liberated" because she was a dominatrix and she use to perform on various men. she though because of her new found sexual role of dominance she was above and beyond the cycle and somehow reversed the way things worked. she was no longer the submissive partner during sex, she thought she was the one welding the power. however, she realized, after dealing with one "client" that seemed to overly embrace her dominance that even in a situation like that (where the roles are obviously defined and imply who's dominant) no matter how hard you try, going all out sexually isn't a form of liberation, you're just being a whore. it's about who you're dealing with and why.

 

[Turbulent]

in theory feminism is a beautiful thing. In a sense, it's about realizing for women that they can be the master of their destiny. That they have choices and options. and that they can and should be free to do whatever they want.

I just hate how it's being sold. Choices and options are sold. Tradeoffs are concealed and ignored. If they told women "You can do whatever you want but here are the tradeoffs for each choice and none of them are all peachy, now you choose and hopefully you'll find happiness", that's a beautiful message. That's probably what i'll teach my future daughters if i ever have daughters.

it's kinda like your child turning 21. You could tell him: "hey now you can vote, you can have credit cards, you can stay out late, go to clubs, and you don't have to answer to anyone, you're an adult, fukk yeah!!!" But as a responsible parent you should also inform them of the pitfalls of some of those things. You should also warn them that while they don't have to answer to anyone, no one owes them anything either. And you,re not telling them so that they are turned off from adulthood and remain children forever. You're telling them so that they make informed choices and become mature adults. They become responsible for their choices and realize that while they are free, if they abuse that freedom, people are also free to not love them or commit to them.

 

[SouthernBelle]

Some of yall are so damn simple...

 

[Nintendough]

Feminists are a bunch of blow hards but they did birth the slut movement, works for me. They will never be organized enough to actually put any substance behind it but they do have enough influence to produce a buffet of loose scallywags with no real cause or goals.

 

[electric_fur]

From a brother who held out for 24 years, good luck with that. I didn't know even 1 other dude who even came close.


Anyway, define feminism in your words please, and what are the goals the movement is about ?

I wasn't being serious about the male virgin thing, although good for you. I said it to prove a point: the other poster said that female virgins, or at least women with low numbers are have more "selfrespect, selfcontrol, purity, intelligence, conviction etc." I never see the same said about men in the same situation and they're put down and shyt upon. Interesting.

As for my thoughts about feminism? I feel like you're quizzing me to see if I'm really a feminist, but I consider feminism about equality for the genders. Now men and women will never be equal realistically, but we can take strides to make it that way. And when I talk about equality, I'm not just taking about women attaining rights. Men still suffer from many social injustices--for instance they get shyt on for being male virgins or having low counts sexually--just due to their gender, when a woman would be glorified for the same deed. While women have a lot of rights that they deserve that are more overt, men are still dealing with a lot of BS they can't do. I mean look at the homophobia on this forum. It's another covert sexist thing that men are doing to themselves.

Feminism has gone through a lot of waves--we're through our fourth wave right now, and it's all about acceptance and choices.... Acceptance is the key word right now. One of the huge things I get from chicks who don't understand feminism is they think that we believe that if you want to be a stay at home wife or be with your kids, we hate you. Whoah, not the deal at all. Choices reflect that. If a woman chooses to stay at home be a mother, well go ahead and do that and be the best damn mother you can be.

I had a chick in one of my classes telling me she liked the idea of feminism but that was what bothered her. When I explain to her that was what feminism was about: acceptance and choices, she was so relieved and realized she'd been a feminist all along. You realize a lot more people are feminists when the BS that media has put out there is cleared up.

Also this is the current wave, we went through a lot to get to the point where we accept women's choices. There was a time when feminism was about man-hating (shudders) and told women they had to get out there and get a job. There were reasons for that. But that is not the feminism of today, and it hasn't been that way for over 15 years.

I don't really care either way. y'all need to realize the game will never change on a fundamental level.

to me, feminism seems to be about choice and options. feminists want women to have the freedom to choose what type of life they want to live. If they want to be career women or housewives. if they want to be "virtuous" women or sluts. and everything in between. fair enough. I'm all for freedom. but at the same time if you're free to choose, men are also free to choose which type of women they want. We can also choose if we want to marry or not. These options/freedom/choices women say they want seem to have awaken something in men as well. We don't have to marry you, commit to you, provide for you, protect you, etc. It's a choice as well. Women seem miserable now because men are starting to realize that we also have freedom and options. If you want us to do all that you have to make us want to do it. You can't force us, just like we can't force you to choose certain options.

like i said, i don't really care how things turn out for society. either way i'll have to either adapt or die. I think people are just tired of some groups wanting it both ways. People want to have their cake and eat it too.

This is also presuming a woman is asking the dude to commit to her just because they had sex. I notice a lot of dudes on this forum seem to believe all chicks just want a relationship, even so called "jumpoffs." Not all of us are miserable with those set ups.

Pretty much my thoughts as well, but if you call feminism hypocritical you get accused of misogyny.

there are hypocritical feminists.... This is a case of a few bad eggs and the ones that shout the loudest ruining the basket.

 

[Will Ross]

What you guys don't understand is sluts have always been around but they had their place now they sluts are the women we have to wife, and sluts are not ment for that.

 

[PimpHandStrong]

I wasn't being serious about the male virgin thing, although good for you. I said it to prove a point: the other poster said that female virgins, or at least women with low numbers are have more "selfrespect, selfcontrol, purity, intelligence, conviction etc." I never see the same said about men in the same situation and they're put down and shyt upon. Interesting.

As for my thoughts about feminism? I feel like you're quizzing me to see if I'm really a feminist, but I consider feminism about equality for the genders. Now men and women will never be equal realistically, but we can take strides to make it that way. And when I talk about equality, I'm not just taking about women attaining rights. Men still suffer from many social injustices--for instance they get shyt on for being male virgins or having low counts sexually--just due to their gender, when a woman would be glorified for the same deed. While women have a lot of rights that they deserve that are more overt, men are still dealing with a lot of BS they can't do. I mean look at the homophobia on this forum. It's another covert sexist thing that men are doing to themselves.

Feminism has gone through a lot of waves--we're through our fourth wave right now, and it's all about acceptance and choices.... Acceptance is the key word right now. One of the huge things I get from chicks who don't understand feminism is they think that we believe that if you want to be a stay at home wife or be with your kids, we hate you. Whoah, not the deal at all. Choices reflect that. If a woman chooses to stay at home be a mother, well go ahead and do that and be the best damn mother you can be.

I had a chick in one of my classes telling me she liked the idea of feminism but that was what bothered her. When I explain to her that was what feminism was about: acceptance and choices, she was so relieved and realized she'd been a feminist all along. You realize a lot more people are feminists when the BS that media has put out there is cleared up.

Also this is the current wave, we went through a lot to get to the point where we accept women's choices. There was a time when feminism was about man-hating (shudders) and told women they had to get out there and get a job. There were reasons for that. But that is not the feminism of today, and it hasn't been that way for over 15 years.

Not trying to test you just trying to see how deep you are in the movement. How do you feel about men and women relationships when it comes to gender roles? Or do you not believe in gender roles?

 

[Luchini]

Let me guess you're unwed, you wear the pants in your relationship, your man think hes the "man" but in truth you run shyt.

I'm 20 years old so yes, I am unwed.

 

[electric_fur]

Not trying to test you just trying to see how deep you are in the movement. How do you feel about men and women relationships when it comes to gender roles? Or do you not believe in gender roles?

I don't believe that people naturally take gender roles--people choose them, but personally I want to have a traditional family when I get married, ie, woman is the mother who stays at home, father is the bread-maker, etc.

 

[Malik]

Women have been fukking long before feminism breh.

 

[electric_fur]

What you guys don't understand is sluts have always been around but they had their place now they sluts are the women we have to wife, and sluts are not ment for that.

No, what you don't get is that sluts have always been the women that you wifed. They were just told they weren't allowed to be sluts because if they did no man would want them. A good deal of women deal with guilt about having sex with too many men.