As much as ya'll hate feminists...

[SouthernBelle]

So I guess that the terms patriarchy and feminism mean nothing, huh?

If you knew who introduced me to this board you would know that your assertion of my having some sort of "agenda" is a blatant falsehood. For the accusations that you lobbed at me, you are assuming quite a bit about me.

Where did that question even come from? Where did I say they had no meaning.

On another note, are you NOT always posting long ass paragraphs about feminism and making or almost making your teacher cry? I've seen you do it many times. You for whatever reason love to talk about feminism and your women studies classes. To me that is an agenda.

 

[Drew Wonder]

Now I know the built-in response is, "Patriarchy hurts men, too!" To which again, I ask, never receiving a response: If it were a patriarchy, wouldn't it not harm men? I mean, if it's hurting men, too, then it's not a patriarchy.

not saying I agree with this response, but it is a response

Essential Concepts: How Patriarchy and Rape Culture Hurt Men | Change Happens: The SAFER Blog

going slightly off topic, I don't know what race you are, but one thing I believe is that white male patriarchy is harmful to everyone who isn't a white male. I believe white male patriarchy and racism go hand and hand, which is what I was trying to say in that black feminism thread I made awhile back. but ya'll were so stuck on the term "black feminism" and what you thought it meant that ya'll weren't trying to hear it

 

[Ain't That Something]

I don't think anyone here is saying that. as I said, I'm not making any judgments on whether or not the sexual revolution was a good thing. I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy of people bragging about benefiting from something that they also claim to hate (ie. men bragging about getting pussy while hating the movement that allowed them to get it so easily)

To me it's the same as nikkas that want to be head of household in name only. I think to many nikkas have become slaves to p*ssy so they accept anything. You can't really complain bout a woman being a whore if you out there whoring or begging to get laid so I agree with you in that sense. but to normalize whorish behavior and present it as the ideal lifestyle for women then proceed in trying to shame those who refuse to accept it is

I will reserve my right to not accept women who I view as undesirable bc of past promiscuoty bc I know that not every p*ssy is good p*ssy. A woman who has shown to have slept with too many partners does not respect her body therefore can't possibly respect me. That woman will never be of any value in my eyes

 

[Mr. Somebody]

they're pretty much the reason why it's so easy to get pussy nowadays.

women today wouldn't be nearly as quick to give it up with no strings attached if not for the sexual revolution

ya'll need to really think about what ya'll are saying when you claim you want a return to traditional gender roles. traditional gender roles = no legal pussy until marriage/committed relationship

if you want society to return to more conservative values regarding sexuality, that's cool and respectable. I just hope ya'll realize that that would mean it would be much harder for ya'll to hit it and quit it. so you gotta ask yourselves if that's what you REALLY want

Whatevers better for family and the world is better then polluting and destroying humanity with satanic culture. Think about that more. Its a shame gaining the favor of a woman is so simplistic and meaningless. Only the God or government can stop it now. Its so demonic, Drew.

 

[Illuminatos]

How am I shaming women who choose not to have sex? :CUDI: I don't give a fukk what women do with their bodies as long as it's consensual. That's the point of feminism. People seem to always assume that when I talk about being sex positive I am out to recruit all the virgins. It's just about having choices.

But you make a good point. That is why I will be marrying a male virgin.

Are you a virgin yourself?

 

[Wild self]

lol

getting p*ssy existed before feminism. and the type of nikkas who got p*ssy were getting it before feminism too.


only shyt that changed is that society went to shyt because of feminism. It's not like it created a p*ssy paradise for everyone. the rich got richer and the desert got even more dry for the simps

Exactly. Basically, hypergamy means that a few dudes eat like kings in the dating game and the simps/ average dudes gets next to nothing. The disproportionate amount of unhappy people is disturbing in today's society in terms of the dating game.

 

[Dafunkdoc_Unlimited]

Feminists don't value women. They devalue men.​

 

[Wild self]

Feminists don't value women. They devalue men.​

feminism hates natural femininity and masculinity, basically.

 

[Zapp Brannigan]

Where did that question even come from? Where did I say they had no meaning.

On another note, are you NOT always posting long ass paragraphs about feminism and making or almost making your teacher cry? I've seen you do it many times. You for whatever reason love to talk about feminism and your women studies classes. To me that is an agenda.

You said that you don't agree with these women, yet you seem intensely defensive of them. That's why I assume that you think that there is validity to their claims of patriarchy. It was a rhetorical question.

And if you think that that's all that I do on the coli, maybe you should follow my posts before making an assessment? Maybe that's all you notice because of selective memory? I only brought up my women's studies class once on here. I forgot about that post, but considering that you are weirdly defensive about all of this in spite of claiming to not even being a feminist, I'm not surprised that you remembered it.

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

they're pretty much the reason why it's so easy to get pussy nowadays.

women today wouldn't be nearly as quick to give it up with no strings attached if not for the sexual revolution

ya'll need to really think about what ya'll are saying when you claim you want a return to traditional gender roles. traditional gender roles = no legal pussy until marriage/committed relationship

if you want society to return to more conservative values regarding sexuality, that's cool and respectable. I just hope ya'll realize that that would mean it would be much harder for ya'll to hit it and quit it. so you gotta ask yourselves if that's what you REALLY want

These nikkas dont get p*ssy though, if they did they wouldnt be complaining

 

[Zapp Brannigan]

not saying I agree with this response, but it is a response

Essential Concepts: How Patriarchy and Rape Culture Hurt Men | Change Happens: The SAFER Blog

going slightly off topic, I don't know what race you are, but one thing I believe is that white male patriarchy is harmful to everyone who isn't a white male. I believe white male patriarchy and racism go hand and hand, which is what I was trying to say in that black feminism thread I made awhile back. but ya'll were so stuck on the term "black feminism" and what you thought it meant that ya'll weren't trying to hear it

I'm with you on racism. I'm not black, I'm Mexican-American, though, to be clear. I also think that they are the last two things to be going hand in hand and should be treated separately because they're two different things.

I'll also say that this blog is complete bullshyt with its unfair labeling, though. It operates off of the immediate assumption that it's maleness and the mythical patriarchy's fault that men have the problems that they do. Maybe it's the fact that women are just as guilty, if not even more guilty of pushing these standards on men and dismissing those who don't adhere as unworthy, therefore making the assumption that it's a "patriarchal" ideal pretty baseless?

In the end, some obscure blogs don't mean anything to me because absolutely zero political action and zero political capital has been spent on repairing harms that have been caused by men's gender roles. All they do is pay lip service, which means absolutely nothing. It's a way for feminism to look like it cares without having to sacrifice or do anything meaningful to help men. Pretty two-faced of feminists to do.

 

[sfgiants]

you act as if this wasn't a mutual decision

mutual she gona go to school all those years to give it all up to raise kids

 

[SouthernBelle]

You said that you don't agree with these women, yet you seem intensely defensive of them. That's why I assume that you think that there is validity to their claims of patriarchy. It was a rhetorical question.

And if you think that that's all that I do on the coli, maybe you should follow my posts before making an assessment? Maybe that's all you notice because of selective memory? I only brought up my women's studies class once on here. I forgot about that post, but considering that you are weirdly defensive about all of this in spite of claiming to not even being a feminist, I'm not surprised that you remembered it.

Please show me where I defended them. I could have sworn I said that is not all the movement is about (I even tried to break it down for you and show how the civil rights movement had many different aspects and sides). I simply thought I was having a conversation.

I like to have discussions about many different things that I know about and have learned about. Everything doesn't have to be emotional. I comment on news articles about a lot of different subjects if I know something about the subject. It doesn't mean I am defending anything.

I just think it is very simple minded to take something nuanced and make it into something that is simple just because it is convenient for an argument. That is the issue with so many men and women on this board (and message boards in general). They don't simply know how to have a conversation and actually analyze it from different vantage points. Some of yall are so damn dualistic in your thinking it's ridiculous.

 

[Zapp Brannigan]

Please so me where I defended them. I could have sworn I said that is not all the movement is about (I even tried to break it down for you and show how the civil rights movement had many different aspects and sides).

I like to have discussions about many different things that I know about and have learned about. Everything doesn't have to be emotional. I comment on news articles about a lot of different subjects if I know something about the subject. It doesn't mean I am defending anything.

I just think it is very simple minded to take something nuanced and make into something that is simple just because it is convenient for an argument. That is the issue with so many men and women on this board. They don't simply know how to have a conversation and actually analyze it from different vantage points. Some of yall are so damn dualistic in your thinking it's ridiculous.

You were asserting that it wasn't about hating men after I had posted quotes from leading feminists saying that men were rapists and were important to hate, trying to provide an outlet for feminism to run from its past. Sounds like a defense to me. "Oh, that's not us... that's just the radicals."

I didn't say that you commenting immediately constituted a defense, but in this case it was. You were trying to dissociate feminism from the thoughts and quotes of its most prominent leaders.

Everyone on this board, save for a few, seems to think that to be critical of feminism is akin to being misogynist and/or being closed minded somehow. People also seem to assume that because ideas can be nuanced that absolves people of taking responsibility for what the leaders of their movements do and say.

 

[SouthernBelle]

You were asserting that it wasn't about hating men after I had posted quotes from leading feminists saying that men were rapists and were important to hate, trying to provide an outlet for feminism to run from its past. Sounds like a defense to me. "Oh, that's not us... that's just the radicals."

I didn't say that you commenting immediately constituted a defense, but in this case it was. You were trying to dissociate feminism from the thoughts and quotes of its most prominent leaders.

Everyone on this board, save for a few, seems to think that to be critical of feminism is akin to being misogynist and/or being closed minded somehow. People also seem to assume that because ideas can be nuanced that absolves people of taking responsibility for what the leaders of their movements do and say.

Dude please do not make up your own quotes. What you just put in quotes did not come from my post so please don't play me like that. I will quote all my post for you.

Dude I know about all those. I actually just talked about them in class last week (I don't agree with them); however, I have read enough to know that they are NOT the sole voices in the feminist movement. Just like the black panther party was not the sole voice in the civil rights movement/era (neither was MLK or Malcolm X). One facet of a movement (feminist movement or any other movement) does not define the entire movement and you will NEVER convince me otherwise.

I didn't say a damn thing about "us" and I didn't freaking call them radicals. My post clearly states that those argument are a part of the feminism movement, but not the SOLE part. You took what you wanted and you ran with it.