As technology shifts more layoffs loom at tech companies

[K.Dot]

getting my aws and azure certs anyways, how convenient for me. Bet on programming, game design, web development and cloud, shyt is paying off.

 

[mamba]

I work in the Network Engineering industry, it's due to cloud technology. With cloud tech, you have a more elastic network which means less growth, which means more layoffs.

But I am good though, the company I work for is paying for my cyber security college classes which is a growing field. I hope to take the cissp by the end of the year then I will get them to pay for my mba . You can fire me but I know I am bleeding you dry of all the free training available.

That's good, breh. Get your company to pay for as much schooling possible.

 

[mamba]

That's the problem with the tech world, today.

Innovation can happen so fast that companies can't pivot quickly enough to compete.

So, they don't have time to retrain a bunch of their old talent. They simply toss them aside and bring in the skills they need for the new reality.

 

[Mowgli]

Efficiency drives unemployment.

Thankfully my industry don't put shyt in the cloud because it's to ILL

 

[Gold]

I work in the Network Engineering industry, it's due to cloud technology. With cloud tech, you have a more elastic network which means less growth, which means more layoffs.

But I am good though, the company I work for is paying for my cyber security college classes which is a growing field. I hope to take the cissp by the end of the year then I will get them to pay for my mba . You can fire me but I know I am bleeding you dry of all the free training available.

That's a good strategy always, good thinking.

But I have some questions.. who manages your cloud based environment?

Do you outsource your domain controllers?
Do you not have a local FSMO?

Who determines your firewall rules?
Who owns your firewalls?

Do you own your own DNS server? Or do you rent one?
When you name servers on your cloud, who does the DNS entries?



I"m just trying to see why a network engineer would think his job is danger due to cloud management/computing?

As someone who until very recently was a network engineer (and still does the same tasks from time to time), I honestly don't understand this.

 

[mamba]

Efficiency drives unemployment

That, too. A lot companies get rid of the dead weight and simply work their top talent 2X as hard!

 

[Gold]

Efficiency drives unemployment.

Thankfully my industry don't put shyt in the cloud because it's to ILL

Just about company uses some form of cloud technology.

If your servers are not physical standalone boxes that you can point them to say "My data is living in that one, right now, always".... then you're using cloud computing.

 

[desjardins]

Yes I agree that it replaces the physical work of actually setting up your own rack, but you still need an onsite engineer.

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No you don't. And you damn sure don't need as many as you may have originally had. The whole point of these cloud based data centers is to centralize infrastructure and save costs thru support contracts and/or reduced workforce. Being a de facto disaster recovery center to boot with automated scheduled backups is another incentive.

 

[KOohbt]

Yeah and tech also needs to add 1.4 mil jobs in relevant tech fields. And training is only on pace for 400k. So this is just the old guard refusing to advance and in turn losing their positions. It's about coding, big data etc right now. Something black folks should be FLOODING INTO right now. Teach all these poor black kids to code and fix our entire economic problems in a decade. I am confident black youth would hand over fist dominate coding at all levels in talent and clever application. Extremely confident.

 

[Originalman]

I think the main point is a lot of the big, traditional hardware companies in the US tech world are shifting resources toward software, could and other services.

It's more profitable for them. Higher margins, not as many bodies needed, etc.

Microsoft, Intel, Cisco, IBM, Dell, HP, etc. They've all started to make the shift. A lot of people will be cut as a result. Not enough hardware companies to absorb all those high-salaried workers.

Hardware stuff is being sent to low-cost centers such as Singapore, Malaysia, China, Vietnam, etc.

Just the economy slowing down again. It hits hardware first....the American companies start shipping manufacturing/hardware/design overseas cause of labor rates. About every 8 years the economy tanks. Time for it to tank again.

 

[Mowgli]

Just about company uses some form of cloud technology.

If your servers are not physical standalone boxes that you can point them to say "My data is living in that one, right now, always".... then you're using cloud computing.

Virtual over here but it's only a matter if time.

 

[Originalman]

good thing i just got this government job. all the STEM haters gonna eat good in this thread

Yep you are getting in at the right time. When the economy starts slowing (commercial sector) down defense/government does well.

When defense/government slows down the commercial sector does well.

 

[Mirin4rmfar]

That's a good strategy always, good thinking.

But I have some questions.. who manages your cloud based environment?

Do you outsource your domain controllers?
Do you not have a local FSMO?

Who determines your firewall rules?
Who owns your firewalls?

Do you own your own DNS server? Or do you rent one?
When you name servers on your cloud, who does the DNS entries?



I"m just trying to see why a network engineer would think his job is danger due to cloud management/computing?

As someone who until very recently was a network engineer (and still does the same tasks from time to time), I honestly don't understand this.

Well, I mostly work on the physical infrastructure(fiber) but from my understanding the cloud is managed by a provider, amazon, at&t, Verizon etc. etc. in various data centers across the nation.

A lot of it is virtual and software base, you can have a DNS, Mail server etc. etc. Running offsite in just one machine. You will no longer need to grow or manage servers on site, they will be offsite. Most you will have is an access point or like a router. You will still need network engineers to set up pcs, etc. Etc. At smaller companies but less man power will be needed.

At bigger companies like the one mentioned, they are constantly growing to increase capacity with servers working at full capacity full time even though traffic loads may die. With the cloud, you don't need to as much since now capacity is shared. Capacity is now on in as needed basis. Hope it makes sense or I am making sense.

 

[Gold]

No you don't. And you damn sure don't need as many as you may have originally had. The whole point of these cloud based data centers is to centralize infrastructure and save costs thru support contracts and/or reduced workforce. Being a de facto disaster recovery center to boot with automated scheduled backups is another incentive.

I understand what a data center is, I understand what a DR solution is.

The existence of both does not negate the need for an engineer.
Data centers simply store the hardware that your servers (and whatever else you want to configure) live on. You pay them per resources, but they aren't configuring everything for you, they are just a hosting platform.

You still need someone to manage the VMs.

Yeah you wont need to worry about moving VMs from one host to another, or worry about moving a LUN to slow storage when the IO drops, but you still need someone to manage your data on your end.


Man I want to see these companies that you guys work for that have 0 engineers.

 

[Gold]

Well, I mostly work on the physical infrastructure(fiber) but from my understanding the cloud is managed by a provider, amazon, at&t, Verizon etc. etc. in various data centers across the nation.

A lot of it is virtual and software base, you can have a DNS, Mail server etc. etc. Running offsite in just one machine. You will no longer need to grow or manage servers on site, they will be offsite. Most you will have is an access point or like a router. You will still need network engineers to set up pcs, etc. Etc. At smaller companies but less man power will be needed.

At bigger companies like the one mentioned, they are constantly growing to increase capacity with servers working at full capacity full time even though traffic loads may die. With the cloud, you don't need to as much since now capacity is shared. Capacity is now on in as needed basis. Hope it makes sense or I am making sense.

I was more asking you.. as far as how you operate in your environment.

For instance, when you spin up a new VM, do you call your Data center to have them add tag the hostname to the proper IP in the dns records?
If your FSMO is offsite (which is fine), who sets up the firewall rules? Where does your firewall (layer 3 router) live?

Who monitors your capacity to check when you need more? Does your Datacenter let you know? If so, who makes the decision to purchase how much and what speed?

That's what I'm getting at.