yseJ
Empire strikes back
was a HoF coach before even making it to the pats, but Im supposed to listen to bitter ass asante talking about QB is the SOLE reason for a sport in which 22 men take the field, for the dynasty ? 
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was a HoF coach before even making it to the pats, but Im supposed to listen to bitter ass asante talking about QB is the SOLE reason for a sport in which 22 men take the field, for the dynasty ? 
Lmao at this. Do me a favor...name all these great coordinators who are in the Hall of Fame bssed off those achievements? George Seifert(who also has 2 HC rings) cant even get in. Norv Turner, no, Buddy Ryan, no, Bud Carson, no, Monte Kiffon, no, Jim Johnson, no, Mike Holmgren, no, Mike Shanahan, no, Marvin Lewis, no, Romeo Crennel, no, Fritz Shurmur, no, Mike Zimmer, no, Charlie Weis, no, Greg Robinson, no..etc..where all these guys in the HOF based off what they did as assistant.coaches/coordnators. They do not compare to the actual head coaches. If they did, then why do coordinators routinely leave contenders and champions, to head coach awful squads? Robert Saleh and Demeco Ryans just left juggernaut 49ers teams to coach awful Jets and Texans team. And youre in here acting like they are equivalent to each other. Bullshyt!!
yseJ
Empire strikes back
So you're trying to make an argument that coordinators simply dont matter because they're overlooked in HoF voting ?
There are zero coaches in HoF as coordinators, therefore they never were good and they weren't EVER even PART of a reason the teams won ? Those Giants teams who won the SB with
won solely because of something or someone else ?Stop talking these garbage points, it's just as bad as giving credit to SOLELY one player out of 22 players on the field. It's dumb, illogical and laughable.
Mantis Toboggan M.D.
I’m here for the scraps
*thinks about the difference between good coordinators like Rex Ryan, Marvin Lewis, Chuck Pagano, Gary Kubiak, Greg Roman, or Wink Martindale compared to idiots like Dean Pees, Greg Mattison, Cam Cameron, & Marc Trestman*So you're trying to make an argument that coordinators simply dont matter because they're overlooked in HoF voting ?
There are zero coaches in HoF as coordinators, therefore they never were good and they weren't EVER even PART of a reason the teams won ? Those Giants teams who won the SB with
Stop talking these garbage points, it's just as bad as giving credit to SOLELY one player out of 22 players on the field. It's dumb, illogical and laughable.
Cant respond with facts, only sarcasm...says a lot. So Belichicks headcoaching career pre Brady doesnt matter, but being a defensive coordinator, sure does, huh?? How is that sensical?? Btw, neither of those Superbowls the Giants won were the star that day. SB 21 was the Phil Simms show. And everyone loves to praise that overrated gameplan vs the Bills. It produced no turnovers and only one sacks. They eeked it out due to a missed fg. The offense won that game by controlling the ball for 40 minutes. Coordinators are overlooked for the HOF? No they are just not held in that high a regard. In the coaching field they are viewed like backup quarterbacks are. And just luke them, they have to leave their team to prove themselves, elsewhere.So you're trying to make an argument that coordinators simply dont matter because they're overlooked in HoF voting ?
There are zero coaches in HoF as coordinators, therefore they never were good and they weren't EVER even PART of a reason the teams won ? Those Giants teams who won the SB with
Stop talking these garbage points, it's just as bad as giving credit to SOLELY one player out of 22 players on the field. It's dumb, illogical and laughable.
So are coordinators equivalent to headcoaches or not? Why do coordinators leave elite teams to go headcoach shytty ones, if thats the case??
firemanBk
The Manslayer
Rex Ryan without the foot fetishBeli really just Rex Ryan with no personality without Brady
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Brady wouldn't have won the first Super Bowl without that defense and the defense continued to be great for several years, shutting down Manning's Colts etc.
This is true, but it has nothing to do with his headcoaching exploits. Dan Quinns defense dominated the highest scoring team, ever. Steve Spagnuolos defense dominated the record breaking undefeated Patriots, yet they both failed aa head coaches. Thats what this is all about, head coaching.
That defense doesnt make the playoffs, if Brady is not in there. BTW the New England offense was ranked 6th in scoring, same as the defense's rank. Does Montana win his 1st SB if Eric Wright doesnt corral Drew Pearson before he could get into FG range? Did Montana strip sack Danny White preserve that victory? Does Montana win SB 16 without the legendary goalline stand in a 5 point win? No he doesnt.
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Beli shut down one of the greatest offensive juggernauts we've ever seen in the Rams.
He didbSeiferts defense did the same to the dominant, historic, record breaking Marino led Dolphins. Holding them to 16 pts. He also shut down an elite Bengals offense led by MVP Boomer Esiason. They held them to 9pts(7 pts were scoree on special teams, Stanford "jheri curl" Jennings) Also Monte Kiffin and Tampa Bay had already shown that they could be shutdown in 1999. Holding them to 5 pts to the late 4th quarter where they finally broke through and scored a td to finish with 11 pts. You were saying, Eric? I can counter everything you say with ease.
Beli shut down one of the greatest offensive juggernauts we've ever seen in the Rams.
What about the rest of my post? You neglected to answer my question about Montana. Also contrary to belief, the GSOT wasnt really that dominant in the playoffs during their run. They only scored over 30 twice in 7 games. In 1999 vs a Minnesota team that wasnt good defensively and vs a Green Bay team where Favre melted down to the tune of SIX!!!!, thats right, SIX interceptions. Vs Tampa Bay, nope. Vs Tennessee, nope, vs New Orleans, nope, vs Philly, nope, vs New England, nope. The Rams went nuts in the regular season, but in the postseason?? Not really.
Beli shut down one of the greatest offensive juggernauts we've ever seen in the Rams.
What a wonderful breakdownIt really is incredible when you look at all the big wins the pats and bucs had either regardless or in spite of how Brady played. It was that way his entire career. He makes a great case for best ever either way off longevity alone, but it’s amazing when you look at a breakdown of it. Really should drive home how much has to go right in so many places to win it all.
2001: tuck rule game. He missed the 2nd half of the afc title game & the pats got 2 special teams touchdowns in a 1 score win. In the Super Bowl he had 145 passing yards & 1 score. Their offense gained maybe 265 yards, went 0-10 on 3rd down, & scored just 13 points. Brady had just 69 passing yards through the air. He’s the only qb to win a Super Bowl while leading the offense to just 13 points.
2003: to save time we’ll focus on the Super Bowl. John Kasay sending the kickoff out of bounds after Carolina tied it with maybe 90 seconds left is the only time a kicker has done that in I think the last 25 years.
2004: I don’t think he had to do much of anything in the divisional round vs the colts, pretty sure they ran the hell out of the ball. In the Super Bowl vs Philly he didn’t complete a pass beyond the line of scrimmage the final 26 minutes of game time. Legit threw nothing but screen passes the whole second half & they still won.
2006: pats lose the divisional game if Marlon Mcree just goes to the ground after that pick.
2007: 3 picks in the afc title game, but the chargers offense never gets into the end zone. They scored 12 points on the day.
2011: throws 3 picks in the afc title game. Assessed his performance as “I played like shyt” in the postgame, but Flacco throws a hideous pick on the ravens 2nd to last drive. Then on their last drive Lee Evans drops the game winner on 2nd down, Joe pulls up to throw to a covered Dennis Pitta on 3rd down instead of running for the 1st down, then Harbaugh rushes the kicking unit out to avoid a delay of game while he still has a timeout left, and then Billy Cundiff misses a 32 yard kick as badly as you can miss from that range
2013: they had a divisional round game vs Houston where they ran for 200+ yards and had 6 rushing touchdowns. Did he even have to throw a pass that game?
2014: Baltimore never adjusted to them picking on the worst corner in the league all game (they were 14-19 for 220+ yards & 2 td passes when targeting Melvin). They called 0 running plays in the second half & the ravens DC (the guy who called a run blitz on the play where Eli threw the game winner to Plaxico in the Super Bowl) never adjusted. Flacco on both of the ravens final 2 drives with a clean pocket on 2nd down throws off his back foot into double coverage for a horrible pick to lose the game. In the Super Bowl he had multiple picks & his average completion traveled about 4 yards through the air. Seattle missed 11 tackles & gave up 196 passing yards after the catch. We all know what happened at the end of the game too.
2016: yeah I guess props to him for leading the rally vs Atlanta, but they called 5 running plays the rest of the game after taking a 28-3 lead and also the defense deserves a lot of blame there too. If Atlanta just runs the ball like any team with a brain would, they win that game in decisive fashion. That was the most egregious case of a team blowing a lead in any sport that I’ve ever seen.
2018: throws the pick to lose the afc title game but a guy lined up offsides and it had no impact on the play anyway. In the Super Bowl the offense scored 13 points vs the rams. Again no other qb has led his team to a win in the Super Bowl when leading the offense to just 13 points.
2020: in the divisional round vs the saints the bucs get a 40 yard field, a 20 yard field, and a 5 yard field off New Orleans turnovers. 3 touchdown drives that covered roughly 65 total yards. Throws 3 picks in the nfc title game & the packers coach for reasons I still don’t get chooses to kick a field goal inside the 10 yard line while down 8 with 5 minutes left in the game at home. In the Super Bowl he threw for about 72 yards through the air while the bucs defense held Kansas City to 9 points.
There was a lot of great play en route to those titles, but that’s a ton of lucky breaks, great play by the rest of the team, and a ton of bad decisions being made by the other teams too.
