OJ Simpsom
Superstar
Not about Left Eye, but did Chilli get herpes from messing with Usher? I love that girl.
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I wasn't aware of this. I was thinking that witchcraft originated in Africa even though there's some kinda eurowitchcraft they've got too, and that voodoo is Carribean. I'm probably wrong though cause I know I got alot to learn about this. I been talking to African dudes still telling me about witchcraft they got goin on. But what I mean is people not in on the culture (usually white) group all that together from their Christian POV without knowing what any of it is.
I been on black forums with this too and they usually say one of two things if they religious...
1. Lisa was actually talking to spirits = somehow witchcraft and/or voodoo
2. Lisa thought she was talking to spirits but she was talking to familiar spirits or the devil
Nah Idk much about Chilli but he cheated on her early for a young cat and when you cheat on Chilli she is leaving.. No questions asked..Not about Left Eye, but did Chilli get herpes from messing with Usher? I love that girl.
Her relationship wants have not changed much, basically proves she didn't believe in Creep.. She just did it anyway cause she liked the song and thought it would be a hit..
OJ Simpsom
Superstar
So why did Left Eye leave the group? Drop some gems breh. I can tell you have stories. Any other celebs bag any of them?1. I don't know what "close" to Lisa means breh. Not even Lisa would remember all these little details about herself. I never claimed to be her daily cameraman, that's why I said I'd rep you if you asked me something I couldn't answer. We all here to learnNahh....u missed out on some key info, and then gave misinformation on this info......someone "close" to Lisa would have known the full truths
2. Are you gonna tell me what I got wrong or not? Cause I believe you and I want to learn more if I can. But that immature "na na you got this wrong and I'm not telling".. I ain't with that bullshyt cuz.. Tell me where I fukked up, collect your rep and keep it moving.. What I look like getting in it with you over "who knows Lisa more"..
That's some straight up weak shyt breh
Chilli slept with damn near everyone famous, but they all got around.. Chances were if you were sincere and it wasn't a busy day/she was leaving you could walk up to (sober) Lisa and get a test date..
She never fukked Pac though... and she never fukked anyone while she was dating someone.. Andre knew that and he still always accused her of cheating though.. Most people don't know but her not wanting to get on his bad side while they were still a couple was one of the reasons she didn't do Creep
And nah, she never formally left TLC.
Even when they was replacing her on Waterfalls and shyt that was cuz they now sounded old and hoarse and she woulda still sounded 24, no idea why they kept entertaining the idea of replacing her though.. Cause even they said TLC does not exist without her.. After that day, we saw how fast shyt went...left
@King Karim How you gonna 1 star my thread? 
Now I know you just a lame and I ain't believin shyt you say even if you tryna say I got my facts fukked up, if you wanted to prove shyt to me your chance is gone.
Now I know you just a lame and I ain't believin shyt you say even if you tryna say I got my facts fukked up, if you wanted to prove shyt to me your chance is gone.
OJ Simpsom
Superstar
Did T-Boz have aids or some shyt? There was nuff rumors circulating.
@Dboy41 My bad for the wait.. But I got you 
Yeah, to your question...short answer is she didn't like that they slandered her in public..
Long answer is...she didn't like that they slandered her in public..
Ima trim this or else I'd be typing all day. That's all that was apparent, Lisa was quick to forgive and also she didn't want to risk breaking up the group by publicly ranting about all the shyt Tionne and Rozonda were pullin back then.
Examples.. not liking her and Andre, talking shyt on her after the fire even in interviews, wanting to kick her out the group after the fire, coercing her into appearing on the Creep video, not wanting to do the All That theme, not liking her over at DR with Pac, not wanting to do Not Tonight Remix, not wanting to do any collabs outside of TLC, not wanting her to do anything lucrative outside of TLC, wanting the group/LaFace to share credit for things mainly she did (self clothing designs, album/tour themes and direction, stage designs...not just the Fanmail Tour stage, film direction, some production, some choreography, dancer and video team recruitment, designing the Fanmail Tour), not wanting them to go to bankruptcy court, not wanting to finish suing Pebbles/LA Reid and settling for some shyt amount even though TLC was winning, trapping her with LaFace/Arista twice, not wanting her to do her Fantasy1 solo LP that she had already announced and was writing on and recording/producing..
That Fantasy1 deal was fukked cuz everyone was hyped for it and she wanted to release it along with Fanmail.. Then they was like it'd interfere with Fanmail's sales.. Would say Supernova was gonna be superior anyway but LA plus Tionne/Rozonda ain't want her to solo at all in any case... basically her whole team + magazines treated her like a whiny kid in interviews about it and Tionne/Rozonda say all behind her back shyt like "we keep tryna reason with her and if she just cooperated with us while we were tryna do Fanmail, we'd be alright with her doing her album cause a TLC member first but she doesn't care. she doesn't wanna listen no matter what we try to say. it's either her way or the highway with her"
They went in on her all sorts of shyt like this, and it was always whenever she WAS NOT there in the room to hear it. So she just had to read/watch them with the BS after it got out..
But she ignored all this for years up until Fanmail, even Fantasy1 she just brushed it off for the fans and said she wishes she could do it but they gotta do Fanmail first. Funny shyt is she planned up Fanmail and when they were ready to go Clive Davis at Arista ain't give em clearance so she threatened to quit in an email and Tionne/Rozonda called her up on some "please don't quit let's just try and stick it out for this last album"
Lisa was like "it's all good I wasn't actually going to quit" lol, Idk if it sounds bad but they literally ain't have the funds for anything before Lisa did that move..
See, they had this policy about not goin public with whatever went down behind the scenes so people thought the group looked pristine, but Lisa wanted to be outright with the major stuff so the fans could know and make them seem more authentic.. This is why she didn't talk about not rapping on Creep until years later, but none of them gave a fukk about calling out Pebbles around that time
With Fanmail, Lisa was hyped for getting more verses and telling the fans she was even gonna be getting solos and singing. Behind the scenes Lisa got 7 or 8 songs she proposed and wrote up refused by LA Reid and Dallas Austin.. She didn't want Dallas to be charging almost 200k a song even though Tionne/Rozonda were ok with it, cuz that was gonna affect her, Tionne and Rozonda's income if they didn't sell enough and put them in debt. So she held up songs until he agreed to lower the price, but they pressured her to give it up. LA, she basically lost him personal money trying to get money for the group.
Meanwhile Lisa was gettin tired of writing the same kinda club/romance bars and wanted to move on to deeper material, but they ain't want that. She still ended up recording alotta verses and some singing but all that "disappeared" from the final version of the album. She didn't know about this until after the album was already being printed.. She tried to get Tionne/Rozonda to hold up so they could reprint, but they didn't want to because Rozonda was with Dallas and they were both under LA. Tionne noticed Lisa and Rozonda goin hard at each other, and she tried to get Lisa to let it drop. Got to the point where they started arguing too about Lisa saying they were gonna alienate the fans and ruin their image after the promotion she gave. Tionne and Rozonda took that as her tryna act like she was the whole damn show. The fights went on a few months and almost got physical, and Tionne said she wanted to punch Lisa multiple times...in person. Lisa was more fit and didn't have sickle cell but Tionne was slightly bigger and more aggressive so I wonder who woulda took that
Meanwhile Lisa was visiting Honduras every few months and started going more and more since she finished her shyt way earlier than Tionne and Rozonda. She worked on her solo on her free time instead of watching Tionne and Rozonda record, and she volunteered and performed for mostly poor and sick people down south, and just relaxed and tried to clear her mind of all the drama. Tionne/Rozonda ain't want that.
Meanwhile Lisa ran this very successful contest show on MTV called "The Cut" and everyone loved it. MTV came to her about wanting to do a 2nd season... but she had to decline them for the time being because her team was up her ass about Fanmail and the Fanmail Tour (that she planned) and pushing back her solo album and making the fans get antsy.. So that was the end of The Cut after 1 season..
Lisa didn't mention any of this stuff happening because she still respected the policy they all agreed to follow about keeping shyt internal, but she couldn't let the fans buying Fanmail just go ahead and get let down after they expected something she told them was gonna be on there.. So she called up Vibe dude and told him to quote her saying she can't stand behind the new album 100% cause it doesn't represent her.. And he's like "really? can you be more specific about why?" and she says she can't because it'll cause trouble inside and might harm the group, so she says until she can speak freely about Fanmail she won't be doing interviews on it.
This was a warning to the fans, cause the first thing they were gonna notice was probably her killing it on No Scrubs then buying Fanmail and not hearing her the song. Many fans ended up doing that anyway despite the warning which made sense cause Lisa couldn't just rat out her team, but she did all she could.. It's not about her wanting to hurt their sales, but being honest with fans and her not wanting to lose them. When many fans got disappointed at the lack of Left Eye, most of them soon understood what was going on and now people sympathize with her vs TLC because of the spot she was in..
When Vibe dude printed the quote out though, Tionne/Rozonda blew up and started saying Lisa only cared about herself and going solo and that she was trying to break up the group.. This got a lot of the fans back in the "she's crazy" "she's a dumbass bytch" mode until they bought the damn album, and some of them were still against her cause they thought she just wanted to be on more songs. Those people missed the point, but they probably ain't like her anyway.
However, Lisa did not say any of this stuff back at them. The media was painting it like Tionne/Rozonda were fighting her and she was fighting them, but she only argued with them behind the scenes and kept saying it was decisions on Fanmail that she was against and she still loved Tionne/Rozonda even though she disagreed with them. Tionne/Rozonda were playing the "crazy" card etc, and Lisa kept saying TLC was always gonna be together even if they were having a rough spot atm, "TLC is forever", you know the deal.. Tionne/Rozonda wasn't tryna come for her when they were in the same room in public though.. But the reason Lisa never perpetuated the feud and it was so one-sided is obvious...
...TLC was her money maker. She was the star and she was still in a contract, why the fukk was she gonna quit the group before her solo was even out?
She never put down them or the group, except she might've called them lazy or unmotivated once, and that was true. The ONLY thing she did was say that Tionne/Rozonda didn't appreciate all the work she put into TLC, and that she put the most work into TLC. And that they kept turning down deals and losing them money. Then she proved it cause she started listing all the shyt she was responsible for. In terms of ideas and money. Meantime, she was telling them they needed to write some songs for Fanmail because they weren't getting big royalty cuts, they ain't own the songs or produce, and the songs were gonna dry up eventually...
...Tionne accidentally cowrote two songs that Dallas literally convinced her to publish (Dear Lie/Unpretty) and Rozonda wrote nothing. They ain't listen.. And when Fanmail eventually fell off, they ain't have royalty income.. Wasn't gettin bread at all on their own until their search for the L replacement on RU The Girl after Lisa's death.
People wanna say Lisa was selfish, not true...but they're missing the point..
Point is, not only was she not getting credit from all the shyt she did, from producing to album covers, she was not getting PAID for it. She was basically putting all this extra shyt into her group for free because of the love she had for it, and she put off doing a solo until she talked to LA about it in early '97 (thinking he was cool with her again).. She wanted to make a solo LP since before joining TLC and she earned it, but she also figured she could work on that and Fanmail at the same time.. And she could cause her work ethic was unreal, but the whole team made her shelve Fantasy1 for her own Fanmail project, and she started losing interest in writing those couple bars on the same subjects..
What was crazy was they let Dallas and LA screw Lisa over, cause they knew about them rejecting her songs and then cutting her vocals and production all over Fanmail.. Some people say Tionne just stood by like a bystander and only wanted group peace, but she took sides against Lisa when Lisa confronted Rozonda.. Idk why, Idk Tionne's mind, but it's probably cause she wanted Dallas working with them cause he threatened to stop and Lisa did not care (she thought they could still do good with other producers even no-names).. Or that and she thought Lisa would understand if she wanted to stick with Dallas's decisions, cause they were already close friends before any of these current people were in the picture.. Doesn't make sense but is what it is... and Lisa most definitely could have SUED her label over those lost credits, time and thousands and thousands of lost royalties, but it def would've killed TLC as a group immediately and she knew this
At a certain point it was clear she didn't mention any of this deeper stuff out of respect for Tionne/Rozonda and TLC as a group, because outta nowhere Tionne and Rozonda started talking shyt about Lisa AND snitching on shyt that happened behind the scenes.. They brought up the email Lisa sent and said it froze their whatever the fukk funds and they were hurting for money, which is some bullshyt, but they made Lisa look like the villain offstage.. That forced Lisa to tell the actual truth behind what actually happened..
Tionne and Rozonda were treacherous man...but Lisa was cool with that because that was gonna give them good publicity as long as it didn't blow up outta proportion.. But then they started on the "she was tryna break up TLC" for no reason and Lisa was put in a situation because she was mad and didn't want to look like she didn't care about all this, but she was losing money regardless and didn't want to go too hard and make the fans lose faith in TLC's relationship..
So she typed up "The Challenge"...basically to make 3 albums between the 3 of them and let the fan sales decide who's the face of TLC. She plays up the "she only cares about herself" because the fans that believe that believe she can't succeed without the group, and she wants to prove she can. She challenges Tionne, Rozonda and Dallas to make their albums by Oct 2000 and the winner getting 1.5 million.
Then she decides to not rely on Dallas for herself and go with new producers, then lower the prize money to 1 million, but it looked like LA was thinking of accepting anyway if the others did. Lisa never came up with any concrete specifics for The Challenge though cause she never got the chance to actually go forward with it. Tionne, Rozonda and Dallas ain't want her to. They say in public that she just wants attention and she's just in one of her "phases" or some shyt, and she'll get over it cause she always does this behind closed doors. Basically saying she has random mood swings.
Yeah, to your question...short answer is she didn't like that they slandered her in public..
Long answer is...she didn't like that they slandered her in public..
Ima trim this or else I'd be typing all day. That's all that was apparent, Lisa was quick to forgive and also she didn't want to risk breaking up the group by publicly ranting about all the shyt Tionne and Rozonda were pullin back then.
Examples.. not liking her and Andre, talking shyt on her after the fire even in interviews, wanting to kick her out the group after the fire, coercing her into appearing on the Creep video, not wanting to do the All That theme, not liking her over at DR with Pac, not wanting to do Not Tonight Remix, not wanting to do any collabs outside of TLC, not wanting her to do anything lucrative outside of TLC, wanting the group/LaFace to share credit for things mainly she did (self clothing designs, album/tour themes and direction, stage designs...not just the Fanmail Tour stage, film direction, some production, some choreography, dancer and video team recruitment, designing the Fanmail Tour), not wanting them to go to bankruptcy court, not wanting to finish suing Pebbles/LA Reid and settling for some shyt amount even though TLC was winning, trapping her with LaFace/Arista twice, not wanting her to do her Fantasy1 solo LP that she had already announced and was writing on and recording/producing..
That Fantasy1 deal was fukked cuz everyone was hyped for it and she wanted to release it along with Fanmail.. Then they was like it'd interfere with Fanmail's sales.. Would say Supernova was gonna be superior anyway but LA plus Tionne/Rozonda ain't want her to solo at all in any case... basically her whole team + magazines treated her like a whiny kid in interviews about it and Tionne/Rozonda say all behind her back shyt like "we keep tryna reason with her and if she just cooperated with us while we were tryna do Fanmail, we'd be alright with her doing her album cause a TLC member first but she doesn't care. she doesn't wanna listen no matter what we try to say. it's either her way or the highway with her"
They went in on her all sorts of shyt like this, and it was always whenever she WAS NOT there in the room to hear it. So she just had to read/watch them with the BS after it got out..
But she ignored all this for years up until Fanmail, even Fantasy1 she just brushed it off for the fans and said she wishes she could do it but they gotta do Fanmail first. Funny shyt is she planned up Fanmail and when they were ready to go Clive Davis at Arista ain't give em clearance so she threatened to quit in an email and Tionne/Rozonda called her up on some "please don't quit let's just try and stick it out for this last album"
Lisa was like "it's all good I wasn't actually going to quit" lol, Idk if it sounds bad but they literally ain't have the funds for anything before Lisa did that move..See, they had this policy about not goin public with whatever went down behind the scenes so people thought the group looked pristine, but Lisa wanted to be outright with the major stuff so the fans could know and make them seem more authentic.. This is why she didn't talk about not rapping on Creep until years later, but none of them gave a fukk about calling out Pebbles around that time
With Fanmail, Lisa was hyped for getting more verses and telling the fans she was even gonna be getting solos and singing. Behind the scenes Lisa got 7 or 8 songs she proposed and wrote up refused by LA Reid and Dallas Austin.. She didn't want Dallas to be charging almost 200k a song even though Tionne/Rozonda were ok with it, cuz that was gonna affect her, Tionne and Rozonda's income if they didn't sell enough and put them in debt. So she held up songs until he agreed to lower the price, but they pressured her to give it up. LA, she basically lost him personal money trying to get money for the group.
Meanwhile Lisa was gettin tired of writing the same kinda club/romance bars and wanted to move on to deeper material, but they ain't want that. She still ended up recording alotta verses and some singing but all that "disappeared" from the final version of the album. She didn't know about this until after the album was already being printed.. She tried to get Tionne/Rozonda to hold up so they could reprint, but they didn't want to because Rozonda was with Dallas and they were both under LA. Tionne noticed Lisa and Rozonda goin hard at each other, and she tried to get Lisa to let it drop. Got to the point where they started arguing too about Lisa saying they were gonna alienate the fans and ruin their image after the promotion she gave. Tionne and Rozonda took that as her tryna act like she was the whole damn show. The fights went on a few months and almost got physical, and Tionne said she wanted to punch Lisa multiple times...in person. Lisa was more fit and didn't have sickle cell but Tionne was slightly bigger and more aggressive so I wonder who woulda took that
Meanwhile Lisa was visiting Honduras every few months and started going more and more since she finished her shyt way earlier than Tionne and Rozonda. She worked on her solo on her free time instead of watching Tionne and Rozonda record, and she volunteered and performed for mostly poor and sick people down south, and just relaxed and tried to clear her mind of all the drama. Tionne/Rozonda ain't want that.
Meanwhile Lisa ran this very successful contest show on MTV called "The Cut" and everyone loved it. MTV came to her about wanting to do a 2nd season... but she had to decline them for the time being because her team was up her ass about Fanmail and the Fanmail Tour (that she planned) and pushing back her solo album and making the fans get antsy.. So that was the end of The Cut after 1 season..
Lisa didn't mention any of this stuff happening because she still respected the policy they all agreed to follow about keeping shyt internal, but she couldn't let the fans buying Fanmail just go ahead and get let down after they expected something she told them was gonna be on there.. So she called up Vibe dude and told him to quote her saying she can't stand behind the new album 100% cause it doesn't represent her.. And he's like "really? can you be more specific about why?" and she says she can't because it'll cause trouble inside and might harm the group, so she says until she can speak freely about Fanmail she won't be doing interviews on it.
This was a warning to the fans, cause the first thing they were gonna notice was probably her killing it on No Scrubs then buying Fanmail and not hearing her the song. Many fans ended up doing that anyway despite the warning which made sense cause Lisa couldn't just rat out her team, but she did all she could.. It's not about her wanting to hurt their sales, but being honest with fans and her not wanting to lose them. When many fans got disappointed at the lack of Left Eye, most of them soon understood what was going on and now people sympathize with her vs TLC because of the spot she was in..
When Vibe dude printed the quote out though, Tionne/Rozonda blew up and started saying Lisa only cared about herself and going solo and that she was trying to break up the group.. This got a lot of the fans back in the "she's crazy" "she's a dumbass bytch" mode until they bought the damn album, and some of them were still against her cause they thought she just wanted to be on more songs. Those people missed the point, but they probably ain't like her anyway.
However, Lisa did not say any of this stuff back at them. The media was painting it like Tionne/Rozonda were fighting her and she was fighting them, but she only argued with them behind the scenes and kept saying it was decisions on Fanmail that she was against and she still loved Tionne/Rozonda even though she disagreed with them. Tionne/Rozonda were playing the "crazy" card etc, and Lisa kept saying TLC was always gonna be together even if they were having a rough spot atm, "TLC is forever", you know the deal.. Tionne/Rozonda wasn't tryna come for her when they were in the same room in public though.. But the reason Lisa never perpetuated the feud and it was so one-sided is obvious...
...TLC was her money maker. She was the star and she was still in a contract, why the fukk was she gonna quit the group before her solo was even out?
She never put down them or the group, except she might've called them lazy or unmotivated once, and that was true. The ONLY thing she did was say that Tionne/Rozonda didn't appreciate all the work she put into TLC, and that she put the most work into TLC. And that they kept turning down deals and losing them money. Then she proved it cause she started listing all the shyt she was responsible for. In terms of ideas and money. Meantime, she was telling them they needed to write some songs for Fanmail because they weren't getting big royalty cuts, they ain't own the songs or produce, and the songs were gonna dry up eventually...
...Tionne accidentally cowrote two songs that Dallas literally convinced her to publish (Dear Lie/Unpretty) and Rozonda wrote nothing. They ain't listen.. And when Fanmail eventually fell off, they ain't have royalty income.. Wasn't gettin bread at all on their own until their search for the L replacement on RU The Girl after Lisa's death.
People wanna say Lisa was selfish, not true...but they're missing the point..
Point is, not only was she not getting credit from all the shyt she did, from producing to album covers, she was not getting PAID for it. She was basically putting all this extra shyt into her group for free because of the love she had for it, and she put off doing a solo until she talked to LA about it in early '97 (thinking he was cool with her again).. She wanted to make a solo LP since before joining TLC and she earned it, but she also figured she could work on that and Fanmail at the same time.. And she could cause her work ethic was unreal, but the whole team made her shelve Fantasy1 for her own Fanmail project, and she started losing interest in writing those couple bars on the same subjects..
What was crazy was they let Dallas and LA screw Lisa over, cause they knew about them rejecting her songs and then cutting her vocals and production all over Fanmail.. Some people say Tionne just stood by like a bystander and only wanted group peace, but she took sides against Lisa when Lisa confronted Rozonda.. Idk why, Idk Tionne's mind, but it's probably cause she wanted Dallas working with them cause he threatened to stop and Lisa did not care (she thought they could still do good with other producers even no-names).. Or that and she thought Lisa would understand if she wanted to stick with Dallas's decisions, cause they were already close friends before any of these current people were in the picture.. Doesn't make sense but is what it is... and Lisa most definitely could have SUED her label over those lost credits, time and thousands and thousands of lost royalties, but it def would've killed TLC as a group immediately and she knew this
At a certain point it was clear she didn't mention any of this deeper stuff out of respect for Tionne/Rozonda and TLC as a group, because outta nowhere Tionne and Rozonda started talking shyt about Lisa AND snitching on shyt that happened behind the scenes.. They brought up the email Lisa sent and said it froze their whatever the fukk funds and they were hurting for money, which is some bullshyt, but they made Lisa look like the villain offstage.. That forced Lisa to tell the actual truth behind what actually happened..
Tionne and Rozonda were treacherous man...but Lisa was cool with that because that was gonna give them good publicity as long as it didn't blow up outta proportion.. But then they started on the "she was tryna break up TLC" for no reason and Lisa was put in a situation because she was mad and didn't want to look like she didn't care about all this, but she was losing money regardless and didn't want to go too hard and make the fans lose faith in TLC's relationship..
So she typed up "The Challenge"...basically to make 3 albums between the 3 of them and let the fan sales decide who's the face of TLC. She plays up the "she only cares about herself" because the fans that believe that believe she can't succeed without the group, and she wants to prove she can. She challenges Tionne, Rozonda and Dallas to make their albums by Oct 2000 and the winner getting 1.5 million.
Then she decides to not rely on Dallas for herself and go with new producers, then lower the prize money to 1 million, but it looked like LA was thinking of accepting anyway if the others did. Lisa never came up with any concrete specifics for The Challenge though cause she never got the chance to actually go forward with it. Tionne, Rozonda and Dallas ain't want her to. They say in public that she just wants attention and she's just in one of her "phases" or some shyt, and she'll get over it cause she always does this behind closed doors. Basically saying she has random mood swings.
cont'd
The reason she wanted to do this was to get TLC more publicity and get one of them money that they could split if they wanted. It'd also be a way to end the feud by having them come up with a fair winner after the fans decided who they liked best...if no one else kept bytching. Lisa was not going to lose this even without the Dallas production.. She was gonna beat them without saying one insult.. But the other two singers punked out, so she ignored the insults and just said she's disappointed because she thought it was a good idea.. Behind the scenes, they were still feuding..
More than that, she wanted them to get out of their contract with LaFace/Arista cause they were having to put up three more albums after Fanmail and they were gonna barely get paid more than before off each one. Only Dallas was making money directly and Rozonda cause they were together.. She wanted them all to find a better label and make some real money, and since they had three more albums, her idea that she got from Pac with AEOM was to release a "triple album" between her, Tionne, and Rozonda and market that as a single album to technically free themselves from LaFace in one swing.. She couldn't say this to them though because she honestly couldn't trust them at this point if she was upfront.. And they never got her true intentions.. Least not for a long time... I know this cause Rozonda was still calling her idea stupid even after she died. And Tionne never mentioned this in her book..
Maybe Lisa told them and they just didn't want to admit they got fooled in public? But that makes em look even worse, so I'm just assuming Lisa never told them because she said she didn't really expect them to take her up on The Challenge...which says a lot about them, and about Lisa for letting it go after that huge opportunity got wasted. It was just those extra rude remarks that made her mad enough to fight with Tionne/Rozonda.. But they all kept the really bad fights under the rug until Tionne spilled everything in her book, that I'm sure is full of bs, and that I look at her sideways for cause she's tryna sound neutral but she's coming for Lisa and Lisa can't defend herself. I never knew Lisa to straight up lie unless she was joking, and it ain't about being a "saint" it's just about being real with people. But Tionne is different..
I love Tionne and Rozonda and got respect for all they did, but they some shady creatures.. I knew they was full of bullshyt when it came to Lisa when they said she was the most likely in the group to "creep" on a dude
and had her as Lil Mama acting a straight bytch in the biopic.. Had to watch how the biopic fans started saying 11 years after her death that she was responsible for the Fanmail Tour ending cause she wanted more money.. That she taped her mouth like a damn idiot on the set of Creep.. Neither which was true... in fact Tionne, Lisa AND Rozonda was talkin bout how they had to cancel the Fanmail Tour over Tionne's pregnancy/sickle cell acting up..
And Lisa wanted them to go about budgeting the Tour a different way cause they were losing thousands each performance with the expenses, but she never said she wanted to quit.. she said she was down to keep going, obviously she planned it for the fans.. She planned the whole fukking album, but they shaded her over and over after the accident.. I don't know how Raina still puts up with it, but she's got mad tolerance just like Lisa and they only come out and clear things up when they get asked or feel they really have to
The reason she wanted to do this was to get TLC more publicity and get one of them money that they could split if they wanted. It'd also be a way to end the feud by having them come up with a fair winner after the fans decided who they liked best...if no one else kept bytching. Lisa was not going to lose this even without the Dallas production.. She was gonna beat them without saying one insult.. But the other two singers punked out, so she ignored the insults and just said she's disappointed because she thought it was a good idea.. Behind the scenes, they were still feuding..
More than that, she wanted them to get out of their contract with LaFace/Arista cause they were having to put up three more albums after Fanmail and they were gonna barely get paid more than before off each one. Only Dallas was making money directly and Rozonda cause they were together.. She wanted them all to find a better label and make some real money, and since they had three more albums, her idea that she got from Pac with AEOM was to release a "triple album" between her, Tionne, and Rozonda and market that as a single album to technically free themselves from LaFace in one swing.. She couldn't say this to them though because she honestly couldn't trust them at this point if she was upfront.. And they never got her true intentions.. Least not for a long time... I know this cause Rozonda was still calling her idea stupid even after she died. And Tionne never mentioned this in her book..
Maybe Lisa told them and they just didn't want to admit they got fooled in public? But that makes em look even worse, so I'm just assuming Lisa never told them because she said she didn't really expect them to take her up on The Challenge...which says a lot about them, and about Lisa for letting it go after that huge opportunity got wasted. It was just those extra rude remarks that made her mad enough to fight with Tionne/Rozonda.. But they all kept the really bad fights under the rug until Tionne spilled everything in her book, that I'm sure is full of bs, and that I look at her sideways for cause she's tryna sound neutral but she's coming for Lisa and Lisa can't defend herself. I never knew Lisa to straight up lie unless she was joking, and it ain't about being a "saint" it's just about being real with people. But Tionne is different..
I love Tionne and Rozonda and got respect for all they did, but they some shady creatures.. I knew they was full of bullshyt when it came to Lisa when they said she was the most likely in the group to "creep" on a dude
and had her as Lil Mama acting a straight bytch in the biopic.. Had to watch how the biopic fans started saying 11 years after her death that she was responsible for the Fanmail Tour ending cause she wanted more money.. That she taped her mouth like a damn idiot on the set of Creep.. Neither which was true... in fact Tionne, Lisa AND Rozonda was talkin bout how they had to cancel the Fanmail Tour over Tionne's pregnancy/sickle cell acting up..And Lisa wanted them to go about budgeting the Tour a different way cause they were losing thousands each performance with the expenses, but she never said she wanted to quit.. she said she was down to keep going, obviously she planned it for the fans.. She planned the whole fukking album, but they shaded her over and over after the accident.. I don't know how Raina still puts up with it, but she's got mad tolerance just like Lisa and they only come out and clear things up when they get asked or feel they really have to
AIDS was the big thing no one understood, every black celebrity that was sick had it..
nikkas was sayin she fukked Eazy and got it from him after she collapsed after one performance.. She was vocal against that and sickle cell just cause there wasn't awareness for those illnesses back then.. Cause you already know when people think it's a majority black illness they don't care to learn about it..
She seemed wild..must've needed to be a real thorough and 
dude to get her to submit
dude to get her to submitYou sayin bout Andre? Cause she was bouta shoot him dead that morning if she found him still in the houseShe seemed wild..must've needed to be a real thorough and
Her personality seemed big...for a women she just came off as dominate.
King Karim
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STFU.......U a poser.......I should expose you and your lies and half-truths b/c it's obvious you wasn't close to Lisa@King Karim How you gonna 1 star my thread?
Now I know you just a lame and I ain't believin shyt you say even if you tryna say I got my facts fukked up, if you wanted to prove shyt to me your chance is gone.
King Karim
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the whole herpes shyt u got wrong, and how that came out....u got wrong.....i didn't want to go into too much detail b/c i luv Lisa and not everything is worth repeating....both people in this whole herpes thing are now dead....but u should know the details of this and how it got out that she had herpes, bc she did have it or at least at one point she did......I'll just say that1. I don't know what "close" to Lisa means breh. Not even Lisa would remember all these little details about herself. I never claimed to be her daily cameraman, that's why I said I'd rep you if you asked me something I couldn't answer. We all here to learn
2. Are you gonna tell me what I got wrong or not? Cause I believe you and I want to learn more if I can. But that immature "na na you got this wrong and I'm not telling".. I ain't with that bullshyt cuz.. Tell me where I fukked up, collect your rep and keep it moving.. What I look like getting in it with you over "who knows Lisa more"..
That's some straight up weak shyt breh