Ezekiel 25:17
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Y'all make excuses for everything.
While people can have bad luck, the truth is a lot of people also make bad financial decisions.
At 65: A House Paid for and low bills > 401k Retirement Fund
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Y'all make excuses for everything.
While people can have bad luck, the truth is a lot of people also make bad financial decisions.
Laidbackman
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Most of these are White people.
The sad thing is, a lot of late Boomers are getting obliterated out here, and are threatened with homelessness like you've never seen. They got in the job market not long before they replaced pensions with 401Ks...when they were first introduced. They had very little financial knowledge, compared to the younger generations today. Only around 1% to 2% become 401K millionaires at retirement.
Most of these are White boomer. You want the stats for Black boomers?
Ezekiel 25:17
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You have a defeatist attitude. Look how many millions of whites are living on food stamps then get back with me.
My current white coworker has no retirement plan and he's 52.
Older black man I used to work with had 4 checks coming in. He only worked part time to keep himself busy.
My Aunt did 30 years in the Navy. She's living plush.
Laidbackman
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Laidbackman
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What are you talking about. These are real 401K stats. I just told you these people probably had other savings.
Do your own research on some food stamps.
Btw, I went to high school with these 65 year-olds. So how you gonna tell me something.
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Laidbackman
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The good news is, a lot of you Gen Zs are projected to be the riches retirees ever because of better financial knowledge than previous generations. But most of it will be through inheritance...that's the report I heard recently. I think there was a thread here on this several months ago.
I know one thing. The generations before me didn't prepare us for jack, as far as retirement. Maybe it had something to do with that Viagra
I know one thing. The generations before me didn't prepare us for jack, as far as retirement. Maybe it had something to do with that Viagra
Laidbackman
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I gotta agree with the OP, as far as the title to this thread.
Although I never lived off only a 401K, I did have to live off only the proceeds from selling my house for a minute. And it felt like I was rich, until all that money ran out. With that said, I would never again want to live off only a lump sum of money, without nothing coming in, especially if I have a mortgage. I don't care if I had a 3 million dollar 401K...yes I said it. And after what happened last week with the stock market, I wouldn't even feel comfortable applying the 4% rule on that 401K. Plus I'm not down with being afraid of out living my money. How was that ever allowed to become an option in the first place.
But first, that house paid for and low bills deal, would definitely have to come with a pension and social security, or at least one or the other, whichever one is higher. Second, it would have to be enough to save up for emergencies, plus enough to splurge here and there, after paying off those low bills. In other words, I wouldn't wanna be stuck with having the mortgage paid off, while only affording to keep the lights on, and have to go back in debt if the furnace break down, etc... I lived like that before because I failed to budget, and I didn't know how to invest.
So yes, I'd rather be in a position to watch my money grow to 3 millions (which it probably never will), than be in a position to watch my money shrink from 3 million. I guess it's psychological. And what's the chances of the average person having a 1, 2, or 3 million dollar 401K anyway, when the median 401K is only $70,000.
Another thing. A lot of people stress themselves out so they can have these huge 401Ks, without placing that same emphasis on their health. The other day, I listened to this Black male nurse that works in an ICU. He said the richest people are dead people, for being more worried about wealth over health. Like who wants to be the richest man in the cemetery.
Although I never lived off only a 401K, I did have to live off only the proceeds from selling my house for a minute. And it felt like I was rich, until all that money ran out. With that said, I would never again want to live off only a lump sum of money, without nothing coming in, especially if I have a mortgage. I don't care if I had a 3 million dollar 401K...yes I said it. And after what happened last week with the stock market, I wouldn't even feel comfortable applying the 4% rule on that 401K. Plus I'm not down with being afraid of out living my money. How was that ever allowed to become an option in the first place.
But first, that house paid for and low bills deal, would definitely have to come with a pension and social security, or at least one or the other, whichever one is higher. Second, it would have to be enough to save up for emergencies, plus enough to splurge here and there, after paying off those low bills. In other words, I wouldn't wanna be stuck with having the mortgage paid off, while only affording to keep the lights on, and have to go back in debt if the furnace break down, etc... I lived like that before because I failed to budget, and I didn't know how to invest.
So yes, I'd rather be in a position to watch my money grow to 3 millions (which it probably never will), than be in a position to watch my money shrink from 3 million. I guess it's psychological. And what's the chances of the average person having a 1, 2, or 3 million dollar 401K anyway, when the median 401K is only $70,000.
Another thing. A lot of people stress themselves out so they can have these huge 401Ks, without placing that same emphasis on their health. The other day, I listened to this Black male nurse that works in an ICU. He said the richest people are dead people, for being more worried about wealth over health. Like who wants to be the richest man in the cemetery.
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Laidbackman
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What hurts your retirement just as much as not having enough in your 401K or TSP, if not worst, is divorce! "The Odd Couple" put that right in our faces. That will make an Oscar Madison and a Felix Unger outta you in a minute...or have you living in the ghetto. The ones I saw recover the quickest, were the ones who got back with their wives, or the ones who remarried...if they remarried to someone who had good finances.
In reality, no single brothers around my age had houses before they were 30. And a larger percentage never had a house at all. You hit the jackpot if you were just able to have your own apartment. We were never taught how much easier owning a home early, or owning a home at all, made retirement. First, if affording your own apartment was like hitting the jackpot, then affording a home was pretty much off the table...not to mention the average brother didn't qualify anyway. So people decided to look at owning a home as a thing to have only if you were married, or had children, or both. In fact, the average person tried to ridicule a single brother if he had a house by himself...ask me how I know.
Like I said, nobody told me the importance of getting a home early, but nobody told me the downfalls of getting one too late either, especially the latter. I got my 1st home when I was almost 37, and all I recieved was jealousy. Nobody told me this would push my retirement to 67. Being naive about how much I'd be getting in retirement, I thought I'd be able to retire at my ERA, and still afford to pay my mortgage, since I'd be retiring on a higher salary than the average person. I didn't realize just how bad they robbed us federal workers, by switching us from CSRS to FERS, which took place six months after I started federal service. Plus, I didn't think those older brothers on the job would let me run into that brick wall I was heading for, without warning me. I don't know if they were jealous because they were old, and still couldn't afford to retire, or they didn't want to hurt my feelings, or both. Then again, what could they have done for me, especially since they were pretty much in the same boat, if not worst. I sure didn't want to keep paying rent, which kept rising.
What made it worst was, my neighborhood I had bought in, had regained it's bad reputation by the time I was 44, and I was desperate to sell my house, and move to a more expensive area, which would have brought my new mortgage up three hundred dollars. I also felt this would make me a better catch for the class of woman I liked, especially those high paid women I worked around. This would have meant I had to work until I was 74, after taking out a new 30 year mortgage. But still nobody warned me. I guess most cats doing what I was tryna do during this time, already had wives, and planned to have 15-year mortgages. This goes back to what I was saying. Divorce is just as bad as not having enough in your 401K or TSP, if not worst. Imaging losing your house, and half your retirement.
Where ever I was gonna wound up living, I was planning to start paying down my mortgage sooner too eventually, but not that much sooner. Then again, the deal on the house I was about to buy when I was 44 fell through, which meant I would have eventually tried to buy another house even later, probably several years after the 2008 collapse, meaning any new house after that, wouldn't have been paid off until I was probably in my 80's...not to mention all the money I would have lost on my house when home equities started declining in 2006. This got me thinking about this girl I was talking to on my job around 2005, who wanted me to eventually move outta my neighborhood, and get a house together with her, so I could probably be her third divorce. Anyway, FF to today, I would have been the first they let go at my agency because of Project 2025. Although I would have qualified for an early retirement, I would have still had a mortgage until I was at least 67; worst case scenarios, until I was in my 80's.
Til this day, I still don't know why more wasn't taught to us when we were younger. But again, I did join Primerica, formally A.L. Williams, way back when I was 23. And they warned us about how many 65 year-olds retire in poverty on average. But I was just a security guard, making just above minimum wage, with not enough money to do anything about it. As a matter of fact, I got fired from that security guard job a few months later, which caused me to quit A.L. Williams, which was making me no money. But I guess I always had my antennas up a little about retirement, after being with A.L. Williams for only that short period of time.
In reality, no single brothers around my age had houses before they were 30. And a larger percentage never had a house at all. You hit the jackpot if you were just able to have your own apartment. We were never taught how much easier owning a home early, or owning a home at all, made retirement. First, if affording your own apartment was like hitting the jackpot, then affording a home was pretty much off the table...not to mention the average brother didn't qualify anyway. So people decided to look at owning a home as a thing to have only if you were married, or had children, or both. In fact, the average person tried to ridicule a single brother if he had a house by himself...ask me how I know.
Like I said, nobody told me the importance of getting a home early, but nobody told me the downfalls of getting one too late either, especially the latter. I got my 1st home when I was almost 37, and all I recieved was jealousy. Nobody told me this would push my retirement to 67. Being naive about how much I'd be getting in retirement, I thought I'd be able to retire at my ERA, and still afford to pay my mortgage, since I'd be retiring on a higher salary than the average person. I didn't realize just how bad they robbed us federal workers, by switching us from CSRS to FERS, which took place six months after I started federal service. Plus, I didn't think those older brothers on the job would let me run into that brick wall I was heading for, without warning me. I don't know if they were jealous because they were old, and still couldn't afford to retire, or they didn't want to hurt my feelings, or both. Then again, what could they have done for me, especially since they were pretty much in the same boat, if not worst. I sure didn't want to keep paying rent, which kept rising.
What made it worst was, my neighborhood I had bought in, had regained it's bad reputation by the time I was 44, and I was desperate to sell my house, and move to a more expensive area, which would have brought my new mortgage up three hundred dollars. I also felt this would make me a better catch for the class of woman I liked, especially those high paid women I worked around. This would have meant I had to work until I was 74, after taking out a new 30 year mortgage. But still nobody warned me. I guess most cats doing what I was tryna do during this time, already had wives, and planned to have 15-year mortgages. This goes back to what I was saying. Divorce is just as bad as not having enough in your 401K or TSP, if not worst. Imaging losing your house, and half your retirement.
Where ever I was gonna wound up living, I was planning to start paying down my mortgage sooner too eventually, but not that much sooner. Then again, the deal on the house I was about to buy when I was 44 fell through, which meant I would have eventually tried to buy another house even later, probably several years after the 2008 collapse, meaning any new house after that, wouldn't have been paid off until I was probably in my 80's...not to mention all the money I would have lost on my house when home equities started declining in 2006. This got me thinking about this girl I was talking to on my job around 2005, who wanted me to eventually move outta my neighborhood, and get a house together with her, so I could probably be her third divorce. Anyway, FF to today, I would have been the first they let go at my agency because of Project 2025. Although I would have qualified for an early retirement, I would have still had a mortgage until I was at least 67; worst case scenarios, until I was in my 80's.
Til this day, I still don't know why more wasn't taught to us when we were younger. But again, I did join Primerica, formally A.L. Williams, way back when I was 23. And they warned us about how many 65 year-olds retire in poverty on average. But I was just a security guard, making just above minimum wage, with not enough money to do anything about it. As a matter of fact, I got fired from that security guard job a few months later, which caused me to quit A.L. Williams, which was making me no money. But I guess I always had my antennas up a little about retirement, after being with A.L. Williams for only that short period of time.
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#BOTHSIDES
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With such a high number of ageing folks… I think they gonna open the floods gates with legal immigration.
I need these old nikkas homes and assets
Chrishaune
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They are about to raise insurance and property taxes to take from folks. Also, digitization of all assets will make everything owned by the state.
Nikkas not about to come up like they think.
Americans are so dumbThat’s why Americans are retiring abroad.
I’m in Mexico now…. We are getting fukked. By American cost of living
Edit: the coli said buying a home is a scam
so you think the regular folk that live there can afford the prices
you are just using your stronger currency in another country, you really fukking over mexicans and being very american
and the majority of expats will not learn the language or respect their culture
straight vultures
#BOTHSIDES
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Americans are so dumb
so you think the regular folk that live there can afford the prices
you are just using your stronger currency in another country, you really fukking over mexicans and being very american
and the majority of expats will not learn the language or respect their culture
straight vultures
I’m not allowed to visit Mexico?
you can do what you want but
is a dumb comment to me
the money you make in America affords you the luxury of Geo arbitrage
Laidbackman
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As you know, there's a lot of talk about pensions not offered very much anymore, and how generations after the Boomers got stuck with 401Ks. I hear some say they're jobs weren't even offering 401Ks, like jobs do now. That's true as well. For example, most fast food chains didn't offer 401K plans in the 80's.
But at some point, some in the post Boomer generations need to start holding themselves a little more responsible. I'll use myself for example. I talked about how I was once a member of A.L. Williams in '85, now Primerica. They warned us back then about the future retirement crisis. And I warned all my buddies, who looked at me like I was from another planet for talking about this kind of stuff. All they had on their minds was getting girls or getting high, or both. I said hear before, that A.L. Williams had me invested in a mutual fund. But I never told y'all that the mutual fund was held within an IRA. And IRA's were around since I was in junior high school. Anyway, all we had to do was invest at least $25 a month, which I did. But my buddy's, talking about the ones I grew up with, not the ones I met in college, didn't even want to do that. Then I remember getting fired from my private sector security guard job. I knew that White captain had issue with me, but now I know it had more to do with me preaching this kind of financial information to the guards. Wow, racism runs deep. Maybe that trash can 45 year-old captain, or however old he was, saw himself retiring into poverty, and felt I was telling his future. That just dawned on me.
Anyway, I stopped putting away that $25 a month towards my IRA/mutual fund after that happened, but I continued it a month later when I got another security job. Then when I got my security guard job with the FED, I knew I had a pension, plus they were automatically putting 1% into my TSP. So I didn't worry too much about that IRA/mutual fund anymore. At some point, I stopped putting away that $25 a month into it again. I think it was when I found myself unemployed again, when I foolishly left my guard job with the FED, and got my first IT job, then got laid off in three months. When this happened, I also cashed out my TSP for the first time. For somebody who had all this prior financial knowledge about retirement compared to the brothers I grew up with, I still saw myself with no future retirement there for a minute.
The reason I brought up this IRA/mutual fund I had, was because it was always there for all of us, and all you needed to have was a job and a bank account, and be willing to invest at least $25 a month. If that information could get to my homeboys back in '85, then I know it could get out to anybody, who cared enough about their future. But the average person in my age group, wasn't tryna hear that. But I was one of those few who listened because I had a daughter. If I didn't get the job with the FED, where I was guaranteed the pension, and the TSP, then I would have been putting more money in my IRA/mutual fund. With that said, I wish I had continued putting money in that IRA/mutual fund, like I was doing with my TSP. You can't contribute to either one when you're not working...and retirement income isn't allowed.
Anyway, I know there's a lot of gloom and doom videos out there about retirement, but there's a lot of people without pensions, or even 401Ks, who took advantage of the financial knowledge that's always been out their...and they retired early.
But at some point, some in the post Boomer generations need to start holding themselves a little more responsible. I'll use myself for example. I talked about how I was once a member of A.L. Williams in '85, now Primerica. They warned us back then about the future retirement crisis. And I warned all my buddies, who looked at me like I was from another planet for talking about this kind of stuff. All they had on their minds was getting girls or getting high, or both. I said hear before, that A.L. Williams had me invested in a mutual fund. But I never told y'all that the mutual fund was held within an IRA. And IRA's were around since I was in junior high school. Anyway, all we had to do was invest at least $25 a month, which I did. But my buddy's, talking about the ones I grew up with, not the ones I met in college, didn't even want to do that. Then I remember getting fired from my private sector security guard job. I knew that White captain had issue with me, but now I know it had more to do with me preaching this kind of financial information to the guards. Wow, racism runs deep. Maybe that trash can 45 year-old captain, or however old he was, saw himself retiring into poverty, and felt I was telling his future. That just dawned on me.
Anyway, I stopped putting away that $25 a month towards my IRA/mutual fund after that happened, but I continued it a month later when I got another security job. Then when I got my security guard job with the FED, I knew I had a pension, plus they were automatically putting 1% into my TSP. So I didn't worry too much about that IRA/mutual fund anymore. At some point, I stopped putting away that $25 a month into it again. I think it was when I found myself unemployed again, when I foolishly left my guard job with the FED, and got my first IT job, then got laid off in three months. When this happened, I also cashed out my TSP for the first time. For somebody who had all this prior financial knowledge about retirement compared to the brothers I grew up with, I still saw myself with no future retirement there for a minute.
The reason I brought up this IRA/mutual fund I had, was because it was always there for all of us, and all you needed to have was a job and a bank account, and be willing to invest at least $25 a month. If that information could get to my homeboys back in '85, then I know it could get out to anybody, who cared enough about their future. But the average person in my age group, wasn't tryna hear that. But I was one of those few who listened because I had a daughter. If I didn't get the job with the FED, where I was guaranteed the pension, and the TSP, then I would have been putting more money in my IRA/mutual fund. With that said, I wish I had continued putting money in that IRA/mutual fund, like I was doing with my TSP. You can't contribute to either one when you're not working...and retirement income isn't allowed.
Anyway, I know there's a lot of gloom and doom videos out there about retirement, but there's a lot of people without pensions, or even 401Ks, who took advantage of the financial knowledge that's always been out their...and they retired early.
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