At This Moment, Where Is John Cena On The All Time List?

[StatUS]

I see your point, but I'm not so sure that he could've been that TRANSCENDENT level star. He clearly would've been much bigger than he is now, though (mostly because they wouldn't have fukked his character up, and they might have given him a heel run at some point if and when he got stale to the audience).

And the answer to your question is of course not. They could've stretched THEIR runs out and been more popular than Cena, and they MIGHT have gotten as or more popular than Cena in Cena's own era (Cena was pretty much the last guy to get really good booking on the way to being a main event level guy. Sucked afterward to diminishing returns, but '03-'04, maybe even early 05 Cena was fine), but after 2005 or 2006? Never. Tell me, who's been built in WWE solely after 2005 and not gotten sabotage booking for no reason? For that reason alone, they wouldn't have been popular. They might have been stars, but not even close to what they were in that 1996-2001 era of wrestling. Really, the only guy purely built after 2005 to even get to Cena's level was CM Punk, and that was a total fluke, by all accounts.

Ugh. So annoying to even think about.

Jeff Hardy was as big as Cena at one point but he was an Attitude guy.

 

[Silkk]

Triple H, Edge, Orton, and Cena are hard to judge historically for the fact they all share a simliar trait... the never got over or beloved on their own accord.....they never really connected with the fans...

they got over because the E or politics or whatever reason decided to push them down our throats with multiple title reigns...

Edge was stuck in the midcard until he got himself over with the real life situation between he & matt.

Cena was close to getting deavored until he decided to switch up his gimmick and started to do the freestyles.

Orton was handpicked and delivered where it counted to get himself in a spot where many others have failed.

Only one of the four you can say was pushed "down our throats" was HHH, but once put in the position he proved he deserved it as one of the greatest heels of all time.


If you dont have a connection with the fans. You wont be around long. Period.

 

[R=G]

He was on top when HHH, HBK, Batista, Punk, Undertaker,Eddie, RVD, Booker T, Orton, Edge, etc were on around



Who left after 05 because of better opportunities?

Well..that was just a company push thing like with Bret Hart and Michaels. Were they really better than Taker and Razor? Of course not. Fans chose Eddie and Undertaker over Cena time and time again..so I don't wanna hear that bullshyt about him "being on top". Just the way they pushed it...he was never chosen or better.

 

[captaincharisma]

Honest question: Do you think that Cena could've been a transcendent star on the level of a Rock, Austin, or Hogan if he had been given the chances that they had to do so?

cena is just not as good at those guys, talent wise. he's a hard worker and had countless legends lay down for him to build up his credibility. plus, cena was widely aided by the dirtsheets and the internet (different era vs. those guys), which impacted his greatest moments; booking decisions, crowd atmosphere, etc.

hogan was an innovator, rock was innovator and austin was an innovator.

what exactly will cena leave us with, when it's all said and done?

 

[captaincharisma]

Edge was stuck in the midcard until he got himself over with the real life situation between he & matt.

Cena was close to getting deavored until he decided to switch up his gimmick and started to do the freestyles.

Orton was handpicked and delivered where it counted to get himself in a spot where many others have failed.

Only one of the four you can say was pushed "down our throats" was HHH, but once put in the position he proved he deserved it as one of the greatest heels of all time.


If you dont have a connection with the fans. You wont be around long. Period.

preach! edge seized the opportunity and delivered, while matt did not.

plus - people act like edge's career only consists of his singles run, he never connected with the audience when he was part of edge + christian?

20/20

 

[Silkk]

Well..that was just a company push thing like with Bret Hart and Michaels. Were they really better than Taker and Razor? Of course not. Fans chose Eddie and Undertaker over Cena time and time again..so I don't wanna hear that bullshyt about him "being on top". Just the way they pushed it...he was never chosen or better.

But you JUST SAID he only got over cause others left. I know you mean the rock, but he left in 03 so that is void.

As for the rest.....

The case can easily be made as to HBK & Bret being better than Taker & Razor, Especially Razor


And when did the fans choose Eddie & Taker over Cena?

 

[R=G]

But you JUST SAID he only got over cause others left. I know you mean the rock, but he left in 03 so that is void.

As for the rest.....

The case can easily be made as to HBK & Bret being better than Taker & Razor, Especially Razor


And when did the fans choose Eddie & Taker over Cena?

No. I never said he got over because of anyone leaving. Who cares if he got over or not. I said the company push wasn't possible without Rock and Lesnar being gone. That's how he became who he is. John Cena used to be Lesnar's bytch during his whole run. He was slapping him up week in and week out. He was doing opening matches on Rock PPVs.

I don't give a fukk what the case can be made for..those guys didn't draw shyt on top and Razor was more over than Bret or Michaels heading into 96. They specifically chose Razor over Michaels in two matches....Michaels was the face but got booed in that little experiment in the rematch when he was supposedly face.

Fans chose Eddie over Cena in SEVERAL matches in 2003 and 2004. They tag teamed together and they acted like Cena wasn't even in the match. They did a Survivor Series match with Team Guerrero and they made some big angle on Cena returning and Eddie had the fans going nuts. Rumble 2005..they were more into Eddie Guerrero than Batista, Cena, Benoit, or anyone in that match. Easily. They went fukking NUTS for Eddie @ WM 21 over Angle, Michaels, Cena, or Batista and he was doing the opening fukking match at that

Taker got cheered over Cena in every segment they've ever done. From day one...what the hell you've been watching? Forgot when he got booed out against Taker at NWO 07? Or the match on Raw when Taker tombstoned him? Or the match on PPV in 2003? Or the endless Smackdowns during their feud when he was the heel fans kept cheering for?

 

[Silkk]

I'll reply when raw goes off

 

[showtime]

lol the kids loved austin, how many kids (black and white) were doing what he did was a lot, fuk a make a wish event thats for yella bellies.

tbh i've always thought cene should be a mid carder guy tbh like have the title 3 times in his whole career but hey i guess wwe just aint found someone worth the push.

lol relax I was 'ing

Let's be real Cena's nowhere near the top 10

Everyone is basing their opinion's off fake win's and scripted storyline that has him on top?

He has been the "number 1 face" for how many years now? The job of a face is to get over and get cheered and have people love you yet he's the most hated wrestler in history. People say he's had the most impact on the business, I agree but it's been a negative impact. The WWE has lost ratings every year he has been on top. Name another guy this has happened to. They lost a big portion of their fanbase since he's been "the guy" how is that a positive impact? He's not an entertaining person he's boring and corny which is why a lot of people stopped watching.

 

[jackswstd]

In terms of drawing money he's easily top ten.

 

[DeathWish]

In terms of drawing money he's easily top ten.

In terms of drawing money he’s number four. Adjusted for inflation, only Hogan, Austin and Rock drew more money than Cena in the history of American wrestling.

ESPN put his retail worth to the company at $110 mill in the year 2010 alone. The amount of money he brings in is unreal.

People usually talk about the merchandise he shifts and the charity work he does but it’s his impact on live attendance that’s WWE’s real bread and butter. When he's not advertised the shows usually tank. Without Cena live attendance would go back to 2003-04 levels and WWE’s overall revenue at the end of the year wouldn’t look as healthy as it has done.

 

[Momentum]

He held it down for a really weak era in PG. No Crispen, No Eddie, no HHH, Taker goes part time, Rock goes to Hollywood, there was literally no one else that could have held the belt and kept the company financially afloat other than Cena. He got his place in history almost as a default.

 

[showtime]

In terms of drawing money he’s number four. Adjusted for inflation, only Hogan, Austin and Rock drew more money than Cena in the history of American wrestling.

ESPN put his retail worth to the company at $110 mill in the year 2010 alone. The amount of money he brings in is unreal.

People usually talk about the merchandise he shifts and the charity work he does but it’s his impact on live attendance that’s WWE’s real bread and butter. When he's not advertised the shows usually tank. Without Cena live attendance would go back to 2003-04 levels and WWE’s overall revenue at the end of the year wouldn’t look as healthy as it has done.

Ratings and live attendance numbers have dropped every year ever since Cena has been "the guy" So what are you talking about?

When Hogan , Austin, and Rock were on top ratings went up, when Cena's on top ratings go down. Hogan, Austin, Rock and every other major face was able to get over and get cheered. Cena get's booed because he's boring as fukk.

 

[showtime]

there was literally no one else that could have held the belt and kept the company financially afloat other than Cena.

How do u know this?

Nobody else got a chance to be the guy

 

[jadillac]

he might be near the top in terms of success....but in MY own personal All-Time list, I rank him maybe a slot above Goldberg. And I've honestly never considered Goldberg to be an all-time great.

So if I had to pick a spot, I'd say somewhere between 20-25 and that's just for guys who've been chamoion

He's in that third tier of wrestling superstardom.

1st Tier - Hogan, Austin, Flair, Rocky
2nd Tier - HBK, Undertaker, Savage, Sting
3rd Tier - Jericho, Cena, Angle, HHH

agree with this completely.

Although.....I have a favorite match with Jericho, a few favs from Angle, and a fav from even HHH.........I have no favorite matches with John Cena that I can recall. If there was a 4th tier, Cena would solely hold that position