At this point, If someone says Rakim is the GOAT, it's equivalent to saying Kareem is the GOAT in BBall

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It's kind of like a neutral answer that you can't get mad at, yet not many people say nowadays. People overlook Rakim's impact and how important he was in changing the way rappers write forever! He is the reason why there's complex rhyme schemes in hip hop and till this day could out rap your favorite rapper YET he isn't seen as THE GOAT like the way Biggie and Pac are talked about. M.O.P. was on drink champs and i think Billy Danze said that he thought Rakim was the GOAT and i couldn't be mad at it, I was like, he might have a point :hubie: The same thing when people make the argument that Kareem is the GOAT for having the all time scoring record at one point and winning 6 Chips till Jordan came along. When someone says Kareem is the GOAT, you really can't get mad at it :manny:
 
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I don't think either of them are the GOAT, but I agree with you that you can't really be mad at these takes, they're pretty reasonable. And I would like to add that overall, in every sport, athletic performance has improved over the past few decades due to more sophisticated training/nutrition/etc., whereas in rap it's actually the reverse, and we have seen a noticeable degradation of the skill set. So in fact there are even less reasons to question Ra in that regard than Kareem
 
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Some takes are more credible than others. For example someone who was a teenager in the 80s could tell me Carl Lewis is the GOAT sprinter, and it's not a horrible take, but Usain Bolt's numbers are just better. So clearly if you approach things with a clear head, it's not JUST age that determines things

In music though, yeah stannery and nostalgia pretty much rule the day :russ:
 
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i dont understand how a guy with 6 rings and up until last year the most points wasnt considered a strong goat, its not only age cause even 20 years ago nobody would mention kareem, i blame the jordan dikkriding indistrial complex
 
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there is no such thing as a goat in team sports. The most important person to any sports team is a GM. Put jordan with the Hawks and he's Dominique Wilkings. A player that no one can stop, scores a lot of points, but never even gets to the finals. Nique's most consistent teammate during his time in Atlanta was kevin Willis. He had an old Moses Malone for a few years, who by that time was like Harden. He would put up about 20 ppg, play a little D and grab rebounds, but his best days were behind him. Plus he was a black hole. . No one ever said shyt about a goddamn goat until 1998. ESPN and jordan fans have persuaded the youth, and people who were 5-10 as it occured, that Jordan grabbed 11 guys off the street with no basketball talent and won 6 rings alone. This is the narrative. No such thing as a goat in team sports because some players have better teammates than others.

The NBA/NFL have changed rules every 10 years or so to make scoring easier for viewership. After 2005, the league said, "we will never get another Pistons vs Spurs finals again,. Then years later we got another competitive series in Phoenix vs Milwaukee. They made sure that wouldn't happen again. There is so much wrong with the NBA and NFL and the games they've fixed over the years that people see the shyt, ignore it, and try to tell us that speak about it that we don't see it. Aint no goddamn goat in team sports. Dumbest fukin argument ever
 
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there is no such thing as a goat in team sports. The most important person to any sports team is a GM. Put jordan with the Hawks and he's Dominique Wilkings. A player that no one can stop, scores a lot of points, but never even gets to the finals. Nique's most consistent teammate during his time in Atlanta was kevin Willis. He had an old Moses Malone for a few years, who by that time was like Harden. He would put up about 20 ppg, play a little D and grab rebounds, but his best days were behind him. Plus he was a black hole. . No one ever said shyt about a goddamn goat until 1998. ESPN and jordan fans have persuaded the youth, and people who were 5-10 as it occured, that Jordan grabbed 11 guys off the street with no basketball talent and won 6 rings alone. This is the narrative. No such thing as a goat in team sports because some players have better teammates than others.

The NBA/NFL have changed rules every 10 years or so to make scoring easier for viewership. After 2005, the league said, "we will never get another Pistons vs Spurs finals again,. Then years later we got another competitive series in Phoenix vs Milwaukee. They made sure that wouldn't happen again. There is so much wrong with the NBA and NFL and the games they've fixed over the years that people see the shyt, ignore it, and try to tell us that speak about it that we don't see it. Aint no goddamn goat in team sports. Dumbest fukin argument ever
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sh*t you ain't wrong. Tim Donaghy was talking about it on the vlad interview where he took the fall for rigged games as a ref but there's still others out there that follow orders. The NBA wants a certain narrative and on certain games they're instructed to give the benefit on certain stars they want to push.
 
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Here's my issue with Rakim.

He ran out of gas way too soon. I bought one of the final albums.. maybe the final one and I couldn't listen to it twice.

He wasn't able to keep up with the times.

LL might be the best example of someone who lasted through every era. I would say he's fallen off but I just seen him on stage KILLING it during some of this Hip Hop 50 stuff.

Lil Wayne had a helluva run but seems washed now.

Nas might be the only one left who basically never left. And he's having a huge resurgence with a modern producer so I hear.

I will even give it up to Drake for longevity, except he's a decade behind some of the others and two decades behind LL damn near
 
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