At what point do we admit that Jay-Z simply has a better ear for making SONGS than Nas?

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These threads have gotten stale... but I'll say this:

They have different strengths. I personally think Nas has the more consistent catalog, whereas Jay-Z has reached highs but has also seen deeper lows. Trying to say one is better than the other at this point in their careers is vain.
 

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Nas just sounds tone-deaf like 80% of the time.

I mean come-the-fukk on.

Same flow, same out of sync bullshyt, it seems like he doesn't write to the beat but he writes before he hearts the beats, his metaphors are so hamfisted and direct you can't even enjoy the joy of a metaphor, etc.

I mean...come on!

I LOVE Nas.

I like what he has and does represent. Absolutely.

But Jay is just on another level with the swagger, metaphors, similes, experience, and knowledge.

Jay can tell you the same thing, in fewer words, and it mean 4x as much. And you KNOW its true.

:duck:

I can't take you seriously on this topic after you stuck up for that Tom Ford song.

nikkas wanna talk about flow when Jay's flow on that was atrocious, among many other moments on his last album.

Jay hasn't had a good solo project in 9 years.

Tom Ford is the best song on Magna Carta. and if any DJ plays a track from that bullshyt album, it'll probably be that song.
 

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Jay makes better "in the moment" music so he appeals more to cats who live "in the moment"

Nas makes songs you can listen to 20 years from the time he made it and get the exact same feeling without feeling out of place

When I listen to "stay" it feels the same as it did when I first heard it. Same for "Cherry Wine." Same for "Memory lane". etc.

To me you can't tell what year nas made a song by how it sounds automatically. Minus his jiggy wave(which affected every artist in that period so it doesn't count, I meant to say that in the redman thread), and the "N*****" album. If you listen to a nas song that he made in 94, in 2016, it sounds like he made it in 2016. If you listen to it next year in 2017, it sounds right for 2017 Jay's shyt is like a time capsule and he does that on purpose. So does kanye. Nas shyt is based 100% on his personal feeling whereas Jay seems to always try to capture the zeitgeist, or at least define it/stand ahead of it. Nas don't give a fukk about that shyt
 

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I can't take you seriously on this topic after you stuck up for that Tom Ford song.

nikkas wanna talk about flow when Jay's flow on that was atrocious, among many other moments on his last album.

Jay hasn't had a good solo project in 9 years.
MCHG was a shytty title, but the song served its purpose. A fire ass, spur of the moment, single meant for easy consumption.

This isn't the Big Pimpin era.
 

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Apples and oranges. Nas is like a longform writer/journalist. He come with those 20,000 word articles. Jay is like an opinion columnist, 800 word pieces. Both are masters at their respective styles. With nas you have to submit to the journey he is taking you on , similar to Bob Dylan. You can dismiss Dylan for being pretentious and longwinded, but when you let that prejudice go, its revelatory. Same with nas, wasnt always a big fan, but actually outside of Illmatic, his work in his elder years is superior to his younger years. Just more life wisdom that a youngin couldn't possibly have.

As for jay, just one of the most exciting masters of form, flows, phrasing, hard won wisdom. When he is on his game its miraculous cause all that shyt is so effortless.


Not to compare to cacs cause I don't hold cacs in high esteem, but jay is sinatra, nas is bob dylan. One a master songwriter, the other a master meditator.
 

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Nas just sounds tone-deaf like 80% of the time.

I mean come-the-fukk on.

Same flow, same out of sync bullshyt, it seems like he doesn't write to the beat but he writes before he hearts the beats, his metaphors are so hamfisted and direct you can't even enjoy the joy of a metaphor, etc.

I mean...come on!

I LOVE Nas.

I like what he has and does represent. Absolutely.

But Jay is just on another level with the swagger, metaphors, similes, experience, and knowledge.

Jay can tell you the same thing, in fewer words, and it mean 4x as much. And you KNOW its true.


What bought this on? Do you have any examples?
 

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What bought this on? Do you have any examples?
Look at Khaleds album. Jay is saying the same shyt but way more eloquent and elaborately. That's a master of words.

Jay is the artist you can revisit the painting and find something new.

Nas is the artist you study to learn how to draw.

Jay is the master. Nas is the teacher.
 

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The Indian threadstarter was waiting for rep to be disabled to make this thread. 1 star.
 
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