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i just gave you a perfect example of why an atheist would trivialize and try to discourage religion, and you completely sidestepped it

address it or stop replying
I clearly said that atheists discourage theism.

You example is about the religious when I'm talking about atheists oppressing theists that do not follow a religion. :snoop:

What you need to do is actually read and understand my posts and say this many times before you reply to me:
Not all theists are religious.
 

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dont be to lazy to read it all, while you're still talking about the story is a complete farce and so is the bible.

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And the Bible's still bullshyt :troll:
 

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I've seen many atheists go against theism in general. Downplaying theism, generalizing all theists as the same and even spreading atheist propaganda.

I'm not even Christian and you guys are oppressing my beliefs for no reason and I'm supposed to beleive that you guys aren't trying to increase your number?


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Well broooo, maybeee it's not that atheists oppose theists for the sake that they're theists. Maybe we actually DISAGREE WITH THE CONTENT. Maybe you're just fukking WRONG, and we disagree with what you're saying. It doesn't matter if you're Christian, Muslim, Atheist or what. If you're wrong, and you say some shyt I disagree with, I'm gonna call you out.
 

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Well broooo, maybeee it's not that atheists oppose theists for the sake that they're theists. Maybe we actually DISAGREE WITH THE CONTENT. Maybe you're just fukking WRONG, and we disagree with what you're saying. It doesn't matter if you're Christian, Muslim, Atheist or what. If you're wrong, and you say some shyt I disagree with, I'm gonna call you out.
Well that's the thing. I am not wrong. :snoop:

You may not agree with me and you may deny my beleif is true but if what i say is not wrong then you have no reason to go against me unless its another reason why. I think it's the agenda reason. :ahh:
 

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And now, back to the real topic........:dead:

When Cousins Get Married - ABC News

Everyone wants to fall in love.

It's the stuff of movies, songs and dreams.

But what if you fall in love with your cousin?

For two cousins, romance bloomed when they met as adults after a 20-year absence.

"We ran into each other, at a family reunion," Christie Smith said. "And we just struck it off."

Smith said marrying her cousin, Mark, brought concerns.

"It was very scary, at first. I thought that it was something that was very wrong," she said.

Einstein Kissed His Cuz

Cousins who fall in love have a right to voice concerns. After all, marrying a cousin just isn't done, right?

At least that's what we're taught to believe. Only primitive people who live in isolated places marry cousins, and it's dangerous and leads to creating stupid children.

Or does it? A new study reveals the genetic risks associated with this type of pairing are not as great as once believed.

And consider this — Albert Einstein's parents were cousins, and he married his cousin, too.

FDR and Eleanor Roosevelt were second cousins, so were Prince Albert and Queen Victoria and former New York City Mayor Rudolph Giuliani was briefly married to a second cousin.

In America, marrying your cousin is legal in 25 states and every year about 200,000 cousins wed.

Worldwide, it's much more common. Twenty percent of all married couples are cousins. In some Middle Eastern countries, almost half of all marriages are to cousins.

Those Who Say 'I Do'

But in America, cousins who find love also find public resistance.

"The overbearing concept is that, you know, 'Cousins can't get married,'" said Brian Wagner, who has been married to his cousin, Caren, for 14 years.

His dad and his wife's mom are brother and sister.

"Some people see it as 'inbreeding,' or, you know, 'incest,' or something terrible like that," he said.

Caren said she didn't plan on their shared future, although her mom noticed they always liked each other.

"They played together. They fought over toys together. And they just had a happy good relationship as kids will," said Pat Bradfield. "They were real kissin' cousins."

They initially grew up in the same area, but then Brian's family moved away. Years later when Caren visited, their lives changed.

"When she showed up at the airport terminal and come off the plane, it's just like everything came rushing back again," Brian said.

"It developed beyond a 'friendship,' into a 'OK, do you want to get married this weekend or next?'" Caren said.

Her mom says the idea "floored" her a bit, but because she couldn't stop the marriage she was leery of voicing opposition in fear of losing contact with her daughter.

Instead, she offered some advice.

"In a marriage such as you're contemplating, you have to remember that you could divorce your husband but you can't divorce the whole family," Pat said.

They lost one friend whom, Caren said, they just didn't hear from anymore after they announced their union.

Legality of the Marriage

Twenty-four states forbid cousin marriages.

The United States is the only western country in the world where these laws still exist.


"A lot of these laws have been on the books forever, and they have just not gotten changed," Brian said.

The laws date back hundreds of years to the time when the Catholic Church campaigned against cousin marriages because in the Bible Leviticus says, "None of you shall approach to any that is near of kin."

Regardless, Caren and Brian had a church wedding in Virginia, one of 25 states where cousin marriage is legal.

"We talked to our minister. … And he knew and he didn't have an issue with marrying us," said Brian.

Biological Implications

One of the reasons cousin marriage is taboo, is the assumption they will have kids with birth defects.

But a new groundbreaking study funded by the National Society of Genetic Counselors revealed that some beliefs about cousin marriage were unfounded.

Robin Bennett, who headed the study, told ABC News that the risks of having a child with a cousin were about "2 [percent] to 3 percent" above the average population's risk for having a child with birth defects or mental retardation.

She says while there are risks, they're "not as bad" as people perceive.

Other risk factors are higher. For example, there's a 10 percent chance that a 41-year-old woman will give birth to kids with chromosomal defects.

If one parent has a genetic disease, like Huntington's, they have a 50 percent chance of passing it on.

Bennett gives parents the risks but will not tell them not to have kids.

She advocates that cousins who are romantically involved have genetic counseling before they get pregnant.

Brian and Caren went for counseling and were told the risk for birth defects was low, but their kids might have asthma, which runs in the family.

They now have two boys, ages 14 and 10, and both have asthma. But they don't think twice about their parents being cousins. They're also at the top of their classes in school.

The rest of the family has come around and say they couldn't be happier with how things have worked out.

Ultimately, Caren and Brian say it may have been their family connection that led them to fall in love.

"We could communicate," Brian said. "We had the same values, as far as raising children. … It's a match.
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I clearly said that atheists discourage theism.

You example is about the religious when I'm talking about atheists oppressing theists that do not follow a religion. :snoop:

What you need to do is actually read and understand my posts and say this many times before you reply to me:
Not all theists are religious.

well if you dont follow a specific religion and have a spiritual connection :heh: or whatever the fukk, then how could an atheist oppress you
 

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well if you dont follow a specific religion and have a spiritual connection :heh: or whatever the fukk, then how could an atheist oppress you
By downplaying my beliefs as you guys are doing now you guys are attempting to oppress me.
 

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By downplaying my beliefs as you guys are doing now you guys are attempting to oppress me.

but how soft do you have to be to let that affect your relationship with whatever it is you think is out there? isnt that between you and 'god'?


like i said, as an atheist i want to stamp out occurrences such as the pope going to impoverished places and discouraging condoms because its against gods will. the fact that people think this is acceptable in 2013 is a complete fukking embarassment. that dress wearing a$$hole is no 'holier' than you or me or anyone else :scusthov:. i mean hes elected by men, for fukks sake :snoop:

but that is a matter of PUBLIC POLICY. i have 0 problem with people sitting in their house and talking to the wall, if thats what makes you feel better about yourself
 

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but how soft do you have to be to let that affect your relationship with whatever it is you think is out there? isnt that between you and 'god'?


like i said, as an atheist i want to stamp out occurrences such as the pope going to impoverished places and discouraging condoms because its against gods will. the fact that people think this is acceptable in 2013 is a complete fukking embarassment. that dress wearing a$$hole is no 'holier' than you or me or anyone else :scusthov:. i mean hes elected by men, for fukks sake :snoop:

but that is a matter of PUBLIC POLICY. i have 0 problem with people sitting in their house and talking to the wall, if thats what makes you feel better about yourself
It doesn't shake my belief because all atheists can do is downplay my belief. They can't even call it false like they do to the Christians because they have nothing to back it up.

I have no bible to disprove and no claims to protect, I just have beliefs made from observations of the world around us.

I just think that its silly that you will let one part of theism effect your view of the whole thing. It even effects you views of those in which all these issues you brought up doesn't apply to like myself.

It's like instead of acknowledging that logical theists exists you rather push them away when those same theists would even agree with some of the things you complain about.
 

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It doesn't shake my belief because all atheists can do is downplay my belief. They can't even call it false like they do to the Christians because they have nothing to back it up.

I have no bible to disprove and no claims to protect, I just have beliefs made from observations of the world around us.

I just think that its silly that you will let one part of theism effect your view of the whole thing. It even effects you views of those in which all these issues you brought up doesn't apply to like myself.

It's like instead of acknowledging that logical theists exists you rather push them away when those same theists would even agree with some of the things you complain about.

what exactly is this belief that youve been so ambiguously defending? you have some invisible father figure?
 

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The simple beleif in a higher power is what I'm defending.

frankly, that belief causes much more harm than good.

and you only have that belief as the result of a pseudo belief in organized religion. you didnt come up with it yourself
 

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frankly, that belief causes much more harm than good.

and you only have that belief as the result of a pseudo belief in organized religion. you didnt come up with it yourself
The belief didn't do shyt. It's what we the people do with it that causes harm. If the beleif didn't exist people would still be doing harmful things. It starts with us and ends with us.

So what if religion influenced me to beleive it. If religion didn't exist people would still beleive it based on simply watching us create.
 
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